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RahsaelTue 04-Jul-17 01:08 PM
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#131670, ""Unannounced""


          

None of this is intended as a dig at you, the player. I liked watching Ghrimmli and I also enjoyed and/or respected your other characters.

But I don't want other people to get the idea that we're likely to utterly screw them over without warning.

I was the one who first spotted Ghrimmli killing dwarves in the Battlefield. I really loved his dwarfy role and description, with the burned-off beard, etc., so I decided to pop in and watch Ghrimmli and see if I could find an excuse to toss him some experience and maybe even start up a storyline.

Instead, I saw Ghrimmli killing a dwarf berserker. I wanted to warn him away from doing that and make sure he understood it was generally wrong for dwarves to be killing other dwarves for ranking. So I had the dwarf mobs he fought screaming, expressing outrage, and calling him a "betrayer" and "Kinslayer." It was not subtle at all - anyone any the area would have heard the five or six yells. I even had a dwarf berserker he was fighting ask, "Why are you doing this to your kin!?"

Ghrimmli's response was literally: "Aye ok pal"

And then he just kept mowing 'em down like it was nothing for a while. Once the dwarves started redirecting toward him in combat, he suggested the group should go somewhere else. But there was never any concern or discomfort on his part about the fact that he was killing kin for sport.

This was at the beginning of Ghrimmli's life -- LONG (more than 100 played hours) before he saw any actual consequences.

Ghrim had a ton of chances to make amends, change his ways, or just stop killing so many dwarves.

I totally get that Ghrim eventually had reason to be angry at Ludan or whatever. But the idea that Ghrim can kill anyone and everyone who gets in the way of his killing the good and celebrated king of his embattled people doesn't sound very dwarvish -- or even neutral-aligned, for that matter.

So, long story short, I don't see how anyone could be legitimately surprised by what ultimately happened.

Another note to add: Playing for a while without specs at hero sure would suck, and I know the idea of seeking redemption sounds like a slog. But I think if a character really goes for it, redemption/restoration is very possible (and probably much quicker/less painful than it would have been in the past if it's done well).

Good luck with your next - I think you have a ton of potential to make an amazing and well-rounded character who makes a huge impact on Thera's story, and I'm looking forward to seeing it.

  

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HOT Locked Topic(DELETED) [HERALD] Ghrimmli Firebeard the Dwarf-King Sl... [View all] , Death_Angel, Wed 05-Jul-17 02:09 PM
Reply Kinslayer!, Ishuli, 04-Jul-17 10:39 AM, #1
     Reply Thanks, Kstatida, 04-Jul-17 11:27 AM, #2
     Reply Thus, when Ghrimmli jumped beyond fifty kin-kills, it s..., The-me, 04-Jul-17 12:12 PM, #3
     Reply "Unannounced", Rahsael, 04-Jul-17 01:08 PM #5
     Reply UNANNOUNCED, Ghrimmli (Anonymous), 04-Jul-17 01:48 PM, #6
     Reply Lol. I would say never change...but you never do :) NT, TMNS, 04-Jul-17 02:52 PM, #8
     Reply Even I am not this power gamey. n/t, Lhydia, 04-Jul-17 08:33 PM, #12
     Reply RE: Even I am not this power gamey. n/t, The-me, 04-Jul-17 08:43 PM, #13
          Reply RE: Even I am not this power gamey. n/t, sleepy, 04-Jul-17 09:47 PM, #14
          Reply Are you Lhydia as well?, The-me, 04-Jul-17 10:42 PM, #15
               Reply I meant that it was in my opinion power gamey., sleepy, 05-Jul-17 12:18 AM, #16
                    Reply cool, The-me, 05-Jul-17 09:28 AM, #20
          Reply The bit about killing dwarves in the past..., Lhydia, 05-Jul-17 05:53 AM, #18
               Reply Sure, The-me, 05-Jul-17 09:27 AM, #19
                    Reply RE: Is it still murder if the person has been dead for ..., Murphy, 05-Jul-17 09:59 AM, #21
                    Reply RE: Is it still murder if the person has been dead for ..., The-me, 05-Jul-17 10:38 AM, #23
                         Reply RE: Is it still murder if the person has been dead for ..., crom, 05-Jul-17 03:56 PM, #35
                         Reply ????, The-me, 05-Jul-17 04:03 PM, #36
                         Reply RE: Is it still murder if the person has been dead for ..., Murphy, 05-Jul-17 04:29 PM, #37
                              Reply RE: Is it still murder if the person has been dead for ..., The-me, 05-Jul-17 04:34 PM, #38
                    Reply Swing and a miss., Lhydia, 05-Jul-17 10:29 AM, #22
                         Reply RE: Swing and a miss., The-me, 05-Jul-17 10:42 AM, #24
                              Reply guildmaster rewards exp, not imms, Dallevian, 05-Jul-17 02:32 PM, #27
                                   Reply Sorry let me clarify, The-me, 05-Jul-17 02:49 PM, #28
     Reply Well, if it's RP we're talking about, Kstatida, 05-Jul-17 05:53 AM, #17
     Reply RE: Well, if it's RP we're talking about, The-me, 05-Jul-17 10:43 AM, #25
     Reply Whatchu talkin' bout Willis?, Venara, 05-Jul-17 12:56 PM, #26
          Reply RE: Whatchu talkin' bout Willis?, The-me, 05-Jul-17 02:54 PM, #29
               Reply Neat, Venara, 05-Jul-17 03:15 PM, #30
                    Reply Right? n/t, Lhydia, 05-Jul-17 03:17 PM, #31
                    Reply Cool, The-me, 05-Jul-17 03:33 PM, #32
                         Reply So you still don't get it. Gotcha. n/t, Lhydia, 05-Jul-17 03:41 PM, #33
                              Reply No I really dont, The-me, 05-Jul-17 03:53 PM, #34
     Reply Grr. I was "Ghrim" and words hurt :(, TMNS, 04-Jul-17 02:51 PM, #7
          Reply RE: Grr. I was , Ghrimmli (Anonymous), 04-Jul-17 03:05 PM, #9
               Reply Pretty sure everyone has known this for decades, laxman, 04-Jul-17 05:53 PM, #10
                    Reply Kinship, Ghrimmli (Anonymous), 04-Jul-17 08:14 PM, #11
     Reply Krilcov? (nt), robdarken_, 06-Jul-17 12:48 AM, #39
          Reply Heh, The-me, 06-Jul-17 08:06 AM, #40
               Reply Okay it all makes sense then. n/t, Lhydia, 06-Jul-17 03:43 PM, #45
     Reply Also if you were Rooting for Kaiden, The-me, 04-Jul-17 12:15 PM, #4
     Reply Kinslayer , Craftedd (Anonymous), 06-Jul-17 09:21 AM, #41
          Reply You mean you're mcbeth?, Kstatida, 06-Jul-17 09:41 AM, #42
          Reply No idea what you are saying., CD, 06-Jul-17 09:53 AM, #43
               Reply I'll cry till you drown, Kstatida, 07-Jul-17 09:00 AM, #60
          Reply Thanks, The-me, 06-Jul-17 10:16 AM, #44
               Reply You had more than one good kill. ..., Ignolmeer, 06-Jul-17 05:21 PM, #46
                    Reply RE: You had more than one good kill. ..., The-me, 06-Jul-17 06:39 PM, #47
                    Reply I'll bite..., Grifter, 06-Jul-17 07:52 PM, #48
                         Reply You forgot #MCFGA. NT, TMNS, 06-Jul-17 08:26 PM, #49
                         Reply I partially agree with this in the regards that..., Blkdrgn, 06-Jul-17 08:48 PM, #50
                         Reply Meh, Destuvius, 06-Jul-17 09:34 PM, #51
                         Reply I dunno like, The-me, 06-Jul-17 09:41 PM, #52
                         Reply Do you realize how ironic it is to tell Ignolmeer that ..., Seriphax, 07-Jul-17 01:03 AM, #53
                              Reply RE: Do you realize how ironic it is to tell Ignolmeer t..., Kstatida, 07-Jul-17 04:04 AM, #54
                              Reply RE:Or maybe..., Ignolmeer, 07-Jul-17 07:45 AM, #56
                                   Reply RE:Or maybe..., The-me, 07-Jul-17 07:54 AM, #57
                                   Reply RE:Or maybe..., Ignolmeer, 07-Jul-17 08:51 AM, #59
                                        Reply RE:Or maybe..., The-me, 07-Jul-17 09:18 AM, #63
                                             Reply RE:Or maybe..., Ignolmeer, 07-Jul-17 09:28 AM, #65
                                                  Reply RE:Or maybe..., The-me, 07-Jul-17 09:40 AM, #67
                                                       Reply RE:Or maybe..., crom, 07-Jul-17 10:29 AM, #70
                                                            Reply Its fascinating, The-me, 07-Jul-17 10:33 AM, #71
                                   Reply Let me put this into language you might understand, The-me, 07-Jul-17 08:13 AM, #58
                                   Reply RE: Let me put this into language you might understand, Ignolmeer, 07-Jul-17 09:17 AM, #62
                                        Reply >Forgive and forget - we're human up here too despite ..., The-me, 07-Jul-17 09:36 AM, #66
                                             Reply Kaiden what?, Ignolmeer, 07-Jul-17 09:55 AM, #68
                                                  Reply RE: Kaiden what?, The-me, 07-Jul-17 10:14 AM, #69
                                                       Reply RE: Kaiden what?, Ignolmeer, 07-Jul-17 11:09 AM, #72
                                                            Reply ????, The-me, 07-Jul-17 11:15 AM, #73
                                                                 Reply You have to take responsibility for your choices. , Ignolmeer, 07-Jul-17 12:28 PM, #74
                                   Reply After it went boom, no choices are fun :), Kstatida, 07-Jul-17 09:05 AM, #61
                                        Reply Subjective but..., Ignolmeer, 07-Jul-17 09:19 AM, #64
                              Reply RE: Do you realize how ironic it is to tell Ignolmeer t..., The-me, 07-Jul-17 06:41 AM, #55
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