Ishuli | Tue 04-Jul-17 10:39 AM |
Member since 13th Feb 2017
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#131664, "Kinslayer!"
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I thought I'd post a little something something given the attention around your issues, just to toss in my two cents and let you know how it worked out upstairs, since transparency is always a pretty good thing.
Preface: This is just my opinion and account, and shouldn't represent absolute facts, or the opinions of the other imms.
In general, I was a BIG fan of Ghrimmli. The fact that you ran a pretty popular contest really sealed the deal for me - so I pitched that minor reward for you.
But, I guess I should skip to the part that is making the biggest issue.
Kinslayer! First, Dwarves are particularly easy to get Kinslayer on compared to most of the other races. An elf killing elves tends to be evil, humans kill humans all the time, and most evil races don't particularly hold their own kin to a high standard. Dwarves, on the other hand, even specify in their helpfile ( http://www.carrionfields.net/help/race/dwarf.php) that they are viciously loyal to their kin. RP wise, dwarf kinship is a CLASSIC - so when a dwarf goes around killing dwarves, even per their own role, that puts them at odds (in my mind) in the same fashion as an elf killing goodies would.
Thus, when Ghrimmli jumped beyond fifty kin-kills, it started to get some attention. Once you started nearing a hundred, it got even more attention.
Kinslayer specifically was a title put on you to reflect this. But afterwards a few of us thought that it failed to represent the ‘totality’ of your character – your blacksmithing, herald rp, etc. And that you were more than just ‘some kinslayer’. Thus the title change. Little did we know when it happened, that the ‘kinslayer’ aspect of the title is what made kinship not work, so when we switched the title, we inadvertently made you able to use kinship again. The title, all the same, was meant to be in the kinslayer vein. We tried to shift it to better fit your role and view by making it ‘kingslayer’, but that was meant to be just as offensive to dwarves in general, thus their refusal to continue working with you on kinship related things. The fact that you didn’t think the title implied that is a bit confusing to me, but this was a good lesson for me in the future: don’t try to make it fun, try to make it blunt.
Then an option was thought of! What if we could make it so kinship can be stopped, BUT we could still customize the title? That’s when you noticed that you lost kinship ‘again’, though it should have never been returned to you in the first place. After some fun RP things, you seemed to finally be letting the dwarves be, so things were going to fall back to normal. But alas, you went for Ludan, and in the process, killed 3 dwarven flamers (none of which who are kings) along the way. That’s when, due to your betrayal of your dwarven heritage, you lost your specs: http://www.carrionfields.net/helpsearch.php?keywords=betrayer
I really enjoyed watching you RP it out somewhat afterwards, but it got a bit iffy.
Either way, I hope that clears some things up so you know what actually went down. I was otherwise a big fan of both Ghrimmli and Kaiden, and was rooting heavily for both – even digging the alternate dwarf-RP where you don’t give a heck about other dwarves.
I’m not aiming to get into an argument about it here or anything, just trying to be informative, so I doubt I’ll start a big ol’ reply chain.
Thanks for the fun
-Ish
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(DELETED) [HERALD] Ghrimmli Firebeard the Dwarf-King Sl...
[View all] , Death_Angel, Wed 05-Jul-17 02:09 PM
Kinslayer!,
Ishuli,
04-Jul-17 10:39 AM #1
Thanks,
Kstatida,
04-Jul-17 11:27 AM, #2
Thus, when Ghrimmli jumped beyond fifty kin-kills, it s...,
The-me,
04-Jul-17 12:12 PM, #3
"Unannounced",
Rahsael,
04-Jul-17 01:08 PM, #5
UNANNOUNCED,
Ghrimmli (Anonymous),
04-Jul-17 01:48 PM, #6
Lol. I would say never change...but you never do :) NT,
TMNS,
04-Jul-17 02:52 PM, #8
Even I am not this power gamey. n/t,
Lhydia,
04-Jul-17 08:33 PM, #12
RE: Even I am not this power gamey. n/t,
The-me,
04-Jul-17 08:43 PM, #13
RE: Even I am not this power gamey. n/t,
sleepy,
04-Jul-17 09:47 PM, #14
Are you Lhydia as well?,
The-me,
04-Jul-17 10:42 PM, #15
I meant that it was in my opinion power gamey.,
sleepy,
05-Jul-17 12:18 AM, #16
cool,
The-me,
05-Jul-17 09:28 AM, #20
The bit about killing dwarves in the past...,
Lhydia,
05-Jul-17 05:53 AM, #18
Sure,
The-me,
05-Jul-17 09:27 AM, #19
RE: Is it still murder if the person has been dead for ...,
Murphy,
05-Jul-17 09:59 AM, #21
RE: Is it still murder if the person has been dead for ...,
The-me,
05-Jul-17 10:38 AM, #23
RE: Is it still murder if the person has been dead for ...,
crom,
05-Jul-17 03:56 PM, #35
????,
The-me,
05-Jul-17 04:03 PM, #36
RE: Is it still murder if the person has been dead for ...,
Murphy,
05-Jul-17 04:29 PM, #37
RE: Is it still murder if the person has been dead for ...,
The-me,
05-Jul-17 04:34 PM, #38
Swing and a miss.,
Lhydia,
05-Jul-17 10:29 AM, #22
RE: Swing and a miss.,
The-me,
05-Jul-17 10:42 AM, #24
guildmaster rewards exp, not imms,
Dallevian,
05-Jul-17 02:32 PM, #27
Sorry let me clarify,
The-me,
05-Jul-17 02:49 PM, #28
Well, if it's RP we're talking about,
Kstatida,
05-Jul-17 05:53 AM, #17
RE: Well, if it's RP we're talking about,
The-me,
05-Jul-17 10:43 AM, #25
Whatchu talkin' bout Willis?,
Venara,
05-Jul-17 12:56 PM, #26
RE: Whatchu talkin' bout Willis?,
The-me,
05-Jul-17 02:54 PM, #29
Neat,
Venara,
05-Jul-17 03:15 PM, #30
Right? n/t,
Lhydia,
05-Jul-17 03:17 PM, #31
Cool,
The-me,
05-Jul-17 03:33 PM, #32
So you still don't get it. Gotcha. n/t,
Lhydia,
05-Jul-17 03:41 PM, #33
No I really dont,
The-me,
05-Jul-17 03:53 PM, #34
Grr. I was "Ghrim" and words hurt :(,
TMNS,
04-Jul-17 02:51 PM, #7
RE: Grr. I was ,
Ghrimmli (Anonymous),
04-Jul-17 03:05 PM, #9
Pretty sure everyone has known this for decades,
laxman,
04-Jul-17 05:53 PM, #10
Kinship,
Ghrimmli (Anonymous),
04-Jul-17 08:14 PM, #11
Krilcov? (nt),
robdarken_,
06-Jul-17 12:48 AM, #39
Heh,
The-me,
06-Jul-17 08:06 AM, #40
Okay it all makes sense then. n/t,
Lhydia,
06-Jul-17 03:43 PM, #45
Also if you were Rooting for Kaiden,
The-me,
04-Jul-17 12:15 PM, #4
Kinslayer ,
Craftedd (Anonymous),
06-Jul-17 09:21 AM, #41
You mean you're mcbeth?,
Kstatida,
06-Jul-17 09:41 AM, #42
No idea what you are saying.,
CD,
06-Jul-17 09:53 AM, #43
I'll cry till you drown,
Kstatida,
07-Jul-17 09:00 AM, #60
Thanks,
The-me,
06-Jul-17 10:16 AM, #44
You had more than one good kill. ...,
Ignolmeer,
06-Jul-17 05:21 PM, #46
RE: You had more than one good kill. ...,
The-me,
06-Jul-17 06:39 PM, #47
I'll bite...,
Grifter,
06-Jul-17 07:52 PM, #48
You forgot #MCFGA. NT,
TMNS,
06-Jul-17 08:26 PM, #49
I partially agree with this in the regards that...,
Blkdrgn,
06-Jul-17 08:48 PM, #50
Meh,
Destuvius,
06-Jul-17 09:34 PM, #51
I dunno like,
The-me,
06-Jul-17 09:41 PM, #52
Do you realize how ironic it is to tell Ignolmeer that ...,
Seriphax,
07-Jul-17 01:03 AM, #53
RE: Do you realize how ironic it is to tell Ignolmeer t...,
Kstatida,
07-Jul-17 04:04 AM, #54
RE:Or maybe...,
Ignolmeer,
07-Jul-17 07:45 AM, #56
RE:Or maybe...,
The-me,
07-Jul-17 07:54 AM, #57
RE:Or maybe...,
Ignolmeer,
07-Jul-17 08:51 AM, #59
RE:Or maybe...,
The-me,
07-Jul-17 09:18 AM, #63
RE:Or maybe...,
Ignolmeer,
07-Jul-17 09:28 AM, #65
RE:Or maybe...,
The-me,
07-Jul-17 09:40 AM, #67
RE:Or maybe...,
crom,
07-Jul-17 10:29 AM, #70
Its fascinating,
The-me,
07-Jul-17 10:33 AM, #71
Let me put this into language you might understand,
The-me,
07-Jul-17 08:13 AM, #58
RE: Let me put this into language you might understand,
Ignolmeer,
07-Jul-17 09:17 AM, #62
>Forgive and forget - we're human up here too despite ...,
The-me,
07-Jul-17 09:36 AM, #66
Kaiden what?,
Ignolmeer,
07-Jul-17 09:55 AM, #68
RE: Kaiden what?,
The-me,
07-Jul-17 10:14 AM, #69
RE: Kaiden what?,
Ignolmeer,
07-Jul-17 11:09 AM, #72
????,
The-me,
07-Jul-17 11:15 AM, #73
You have to take responsibility for your choices. ,
Ignolmeer,
07-Jul-17 12:28 PM, #74
After it went boom, no choices are fun :),
Kstatida,
07-Jul-17 09:05 AM, #61
Subjective but...,
Ignolmeer,
07-Jul-17 09:19 AM, #64
RE: Do you realize how ironic it is to tell Ignolmeer t...,
The-me,
07-Jul-17 06:41 AM, #55
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