Oh didnt think it was anywhere near 100 (Can you give me the specific breakdown? Or shall I grep?) I knew I killed a bunch in the battlefield while levelling. Then outside of the Kinslayer thing maybe 2 others.

As I said else where, I am 100% ok with consequences for actions (Unfortunately that applies to you Imms, yeah yeah it was a #### up with the title change I get it, The REAL WORLD effect for Ghrimmli though was Dwarves accept he killed the kings, and thats the end of it, LIKE IT OR NOT THAT IS HOW IT PLAYED OUT! RATHER THAN RP AROUND THAT IN THIS RP GAME< YOU(Not you specifically but could be) 'fixed' THE PROBLEM, WHEN I POINTED IT OUT, IMM SHRUG, CLOSE RANKS) Jeeves shrugs, puts those areas back on the back burner, deletes his heros, leaves the game.

I'm not 100% ok with Kinslayer affect getting slapped on me twice unanounced, it just puts two dwarves in a room, one of whom would trade previously with the other, and now doesnt. That aside, I totally got it when that Imm said this how it went down upstairs, totally 100% ok with that. From Ghrimmlis perspective though, it was just dwarves hating on him that didnt hate on him yesteday, Ludan actively tried to kill Ghrimmli at multiple points in his life, you dont get a free pass on murdering, retribution is at hand. But Flamer dwarves arent Kings? Wtf, its in the Kings Stronghold, its standing between Ghrimmli and the king and it refused to give him the Key!, its a threat there are no doubts here.
Either way, punishing him like that for responding to his role, and Ludans direct attacks (Mortorn can declare was on Ghrimmli, but Ghrimmli has to eat a #### sandwich, its cool for other dwarves to straight up murder Ghrimmli? Looking at you Guildmaster? No a goodie dwarf sure maybe turn him neutral? A neutral dwarf though, you already took away Kinship, why does it need more punishment? Even forgecraft I could see to like a small degree.

So if you want to keep playing the Kinslayer card when it makes no sense to do so, I think its time Dwarves get -30 exp from killing other Dwarves not 900. Like if its equivalent to an Elf Killing goodies?!! What the #### is this ####, but sure lets go that way with our rp why not. Never mind the fact that Ghrimmli saw the dwarven kingdoms as corrupt and a waste of dwarven energies and lives etc. Its cool, because you know what ever.


Changes to Kinship that need to happen : If its cursed you can kinship it in the same way you can request it with requester edge, no IFS no BUTS. You have to lower those prices as well to next to 0 for keys and ####, sorry but if Dwarf Kinship is so strong, why ARE THEY ROBBING ME?!! PUNISHMENT FOR THEFT IS DEATH!! just saying