Quixotic | Sun 13-Dec-15 01:48 PM |
Member since 09th Feb 2006
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#61949, "My take on the Edge dilemma."
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When edges went in, what I recall Nep saying was that edges would help entice people to take and use skills that were normally not used by knowledgeable players.
My perception of what happened is that they became a means to boost things that were already frequently used and effective--think Parry Anything, Winds of Hamsah, Smoke and Mirrors--and made them even stronger. That was a serious mistake, for it didn't increase variety or utility, it just made strong skills even stronger, and powergaming players even more powergamey.
Then someone had the idea of giving accomplished pkers edge points. That too was a serious mistake, for the people who PK well do garner imm-attention and leadership spots. They also tend to be the people who know and visit obscure corners of the mud to get the things they need to make them more effective.
I absolutely love edges. The edge point nerf ticked me off immensely, but not because it made me less effective than my peers, but because it limited my access to Achievement badges. Some people spend all their time ogling over their equipment, but my excitement was always trying to earn that next badge or acquire a new set of options when I went into the guild to discuss.
If I could change the edge system, I would suggest this: - look at the skills people desire and use without edges. Remove edges for those skills. Go back to the original, stated intent of edges, even if many of those early edges did not meet that standard - for edges that are frequently chosen, ask why. If it is to strengthen a strength of the race/class, remove it. It if bolsters a weakness, consider keeping it. - remove edge bonuses for PK. Characters are more likely to get imm-love if they actively defend or raid, and deathful characters are already considered "fun to watch" so there is no need to reward them twice for the same behavior
If you remove the 'make the powerful more powerful' aspect to edges, then immortals can feel free to lavish immortal love on behavior they like, setting up a reinforcing cycle of positive rewards for the players and immortals appreciating each other, and eliminating the enmity people feel if they believe that Isildur was rewarded unfairly relatively to Llydia.
There is no need to "pull the plug" on edges. Just align their function with your vision.
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Is it just me?
[View all] , demon, Fri 11-Dec-15 06:12 PM
Any cons to age based edgepoint accumulation?,
Saagkri,
16-Dec-15 06:36 AM, #41
Just eliminate Obs/Explore already.,
lasentia,
16-Dec-15 08:08 AM, #42
No,
Kstatida,
16-Dec-15 10:50 AM, #43
There are much better reasons to explore than obs/exp X...,
Homard,
16-Dec-15 11:35 AM, #46
The problem is those incentives don't work that well,
Kstatida,
16-Dec-15 12:14 PM, #47
RE: No,
Saagkri,
16-Dec-15 12:31 PM, #48
You will hear a buzzer. When you hear the buzzer, stare...,
Murphy,
16-Dec-15 12:45 PM, #49
RE: No,
Isildur,
16-Dec-15 01:34 PM, #51
Your reasons are totally valid as well,
Kstatida,
16-Dec-15 01:51 PM, #52
You argue that everyone should be subject to the grind ...,
Saagkri,
16-Dec-15 02:42 PM, #53
I argue that obs/exp is a good incentive for new player...,
Kstatida,
17-Dec-15 09:21 AM, #55
Enjoy remaining average at best,
lasentia,
17-Dec-15 07:45 AM, #54
Skill>gear>preps>skill%s>edges,
Kstatida,
17-Dec-15 09:36 AM, #56
RE: Just eliminate Obs/Explore already.,
Isildur,
16-Dec-15 11:08 AM, #44
i use that exp to rank,
laxman,
16-Dec-15 11:20 AM, #45
RE: Is it just me?,
Borkahd,
13-Dec-15 03:18 PM, #31
RE: Is it just me?,
Destuvius,
12-Dec-15 06:50 AM, #10
Edges,
Saagkri,
12-Dec-15 09:26 AM, #12
RE: Edges,
Destuvius,
12-Dec-15 09:43 AM, #13
Oops. Speaking generic IMM re: the rewards, not directe...,
Saagkri,
12-Dec-15 10:33 AM, #15
Nice cover-up attempt.,
TMNS,
12-Dec-15 10:18 PM, #28
Did I miss something as to who Destuvius is? NT,
Onewingedangel,
14-Dec-15 04:30 PM, #32
No, Sam is just being Sam. (nt),
Umiron,
14-Dec-15 05:05 PM, #33
Ah, figures. ,
Onewingedangel,
14-Dec-15 07:00 PM, #34
Well...who am I supposed to be? NT,
TMNS,
15-Dec-15 12:28 AM, #37
This.,
Murphy,
12-Dec-15 10:48 AM, #17
RE: Is it just me?,
Isildur,
12-Dec-15 10:33 AM, #16
Edges are one of the stupidest CF ideas ever. NT,
TMNS,
12-Dec-15 02:00 AM, #6
RE: Is it just me?,
Isildur,
12-Dec-15 12:32 AM, #5
Obs XP that leads to edges needs to go,
-flso,
12-Dec-15 07:49 AM, #11
RE: Obs XP that leads to edges needs to go,
Isildur,
12-Dec-15 10:22 AM, #14
RE: Obs XP that leads to edges needs to go,
Destuvius,
12-Dec-15 12:25 PM, #18
Probably wants others to experience what he does so the...,
Lhydia,
12-Dec-15 12:56 PM, #19
Just for you...,
Destuvius,
12-Dec-15 01:02 PM, #20
Hey buddy..lets not bring facts into this argument. <3 ...,
Lhydia,
12-Dec-15 01:23 PM, #23
My bad..,
Destuvius,
13-Dec-15 12:15 PM, #29
RE: Probably wants others to experience what he does so...,
Umiron,
12-Dec-15 01:05 PM, #22
Request and question:,
Iunna,
12-Dec-15 01:51 PM, #25
RE: Request and question:,
Umiron,
12-Dec-15 02:14 PM, #26
It's nowhere near consistent.,
Murphy,
12-Dec-15 01:05 PM, #21
RE: Obs XP that leads to edges needs to go,
Isildur,
12-Dec-15 02:16 PM, #27
RE: Obs XP that leads to edges needs to go,
Saagkri,
16-Dec-15 01:13 PM, #50
Not keen,
incognito,
12-Dec-15 01:39 PM, #24
RE: Is it just me?,
Umiron,
11-Dec-15 07:00 PM, #1
RE: Is it just me?,
demon,
11-Dec-15 07:10 PM, #2
I'll bite,
Sertius,
11-Dec-15 09:26 PM, #3
Imo,
incognito,
12-Dec-15 03:38 AM, #7
Saying "must have",
incognito,
12-Dec-15 03:43 AM, #8
RE: I'll bite,
Destuvius,
12-Dec-15 06:43 AM, #9
My take on the Edge dilemma.,
Quixotic,
13-Dec-15 01:48 PM #30
I think you are wrong in your assumptions,
-flso,
14-Dec-15 07:07 PM, #35
Cyradia's post introducing edges:,
Quixotic,
14-Dec-15 10:28 PM, #36
This wasn't the start of edges though...,
Elerosse,
15-Dec-15 08:45 PM, #38
This guy gets it. n/t,
Eskelian,
15-Dec-15 09:05 PM, #39
RE: I'll bite,
Eskelian,
15-Dec-15 09:07 PM, #40
What edges do you need to compete?,
laxman,
11-Dec-15 10:13 PM, #4
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