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IsildurSat 12-Dec-15 12:32 AM
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#61910, "RE: Is it just me?"


          

I think you exaggerate the importance of edges, but I'm with you on feeling compelled to farm obs/exp pre-30.

The holy grail would be a system that incentivizes the things we want to incentivize but doesn't create any perverse incentives. I feel like the current system creates some perverse incentives.

Specifically with regard to observation/exploration, I would do the following:

1. Take a few veteran staff and have them rank mortals to hero, stopping to hunt along the way, but make no effort whatsoever to accumulate obs/exp. They just do their normal thing. At around the 200 hour mark, check in on each one and see how much obs/exp they have.

2. Note the median observation and median exploration experience from this group.

3. Set these values as the "caps" past which obs/exp no longer generate edge points.

4. Drop all requirements that obs/exp be accumulated by a certain rank.

5. Create logic that "releases" edge points from obs/exp as a character gains ranks. This would prevent someone farming up to the caps at level 10 and generating a ton of points "early".

Some things to note about this system:

1. Veteran players don't have to think about observation/exploration since they can be confident that with a long-lived character they will eventually reach the caps without any special effort. Contrast this with the current system where if I don't get my obs/exp by a certain rank then I permanently lose out on those points.

2. Newbie players still have an incentive to go out and observe/explore since they will probably not reach the caps without being intentional about exploring and observing.

3. There's no incentive to "farm" obs/exp at low ranks in an attempt to generate a ton of edge points "early" since the points from obs/exp only become available as characters rank up.

May not be worth the development time to implement something like this, but from a game design p.o.v., this is how I'd handle the issue of obs/exp and edge points.

  

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HOT TopicIs it just me? [View all] , demon, Fri 11-Dec-15 06:12 PM
Reply Any cons to age based edgepoint accumulation?, Saagkri, 16-Dec-15 06:36 AM, #41
Reply Just eliminate Obs/Explore already., lasentia, 16-Dec-15 08:08 AM, #42
     Reply No, Kstatida, 16-Dec-15 10:50 AM, #43
     Reply There are much better reasons to explore than obs/exp X..., Homard, 16-Dec-15 11:35 AM, #46
     Reply The problem is those incentives don't work that well, Kstatida, 16-Dec-15 12:14 PM, #47
     Reply RE: No, Saagkri, 16-Dec-15 12:31 PM, #48
          Reply You will hear a buzzer. When you hear the buzzer, stare..., Murphy, 16-Dec-15 12:45 PM, #49
          Reply RE: No, Isildur, 16-Dec-15 01:34 PM, #51
          Reply Your reasons are totally valid as well, Kstatida, 16-Dec-15 01:51 PM, #52
               Reply You argue that everyone should be subject to the grind ..., Saagkri, 16-Dec-15 02:42 PM, #53
               Reply I argue that obs/exp is a good incentive for new player..., Kstatida, 17-Dec-15 09:21 AM, #55
               Reply Enjoy remaining average at best, lasentia, 17-Dec-15 07:45 AM, #54
                    Reply Skill>gear>preps>skill%s>edges, Kstatida, 17-Dec-15 09:36 AM, #56
     Reply RE: Just eliminate Obs/Explore already., Isildur, 16-Dec-15 11:08 AM, #44
     Reply i use that exp to rank, laxman, 16-Dec-15 11:20 AM, #45
Reply RE: Is it just me?, Borkahd, 13-Dec-15 03:18 PM, #31
Reply RE: Is it just me?, Destuvius, 12-Dec-15 06:50 AM, #10
Reply Edges, Saagkri, 12-Dec-15 09:26 AM, #12
Reply RE: Edges, Destuvius, 12-Dec-15 09:43 AM, #13
Reply Oops. Speaking generic IMM re: the rewards, not directe..., Saagkri, 12-Dec-15 10:33 AM, #15
Reply Nice cover-up attempt., TMNS, 12-Dec-15 10:18 PM, #28
     Reply Did I miss something as to who Destuvius is? NT, Onewingedangel, 14-Dec-15 04:30 PM, #32
          Reply No, Sam is just being Sam. (nt), Umiron, 14-Dec-15 05:05 PM, #33
               Reply Ah, figures. , Onewingedangel, 14-Dec-15 07:00 PM, #34
               Reply Well...who am I supposed to be? NT, TMNS, 15-Dec-15 12:28 AM, #37
Reply This., Murphy, 12-Dec-15 10:48 AM, #17
Reply RE: Is it just me?, Isildur, 12-Dec-15 10:33 AM, #16
Reply Edges are one of the stupidest CF ideas ever. NT, TMNS, 12-Dec-15 02:00 AM, #6
Reply RE: Is it just me?, Isildur, 12-Dec-15 12:32 AM #5
Reply Obs XP that leads to edges needs to go, -flso, 12-Dec-15 07:49 AM, #11
     Reply RE: Obs XP that leads to edges needs to go, Isildur, 12-Dec-15 10:22 AM, #14
     Reply RE: Obs XP that leads to edges needs to go, Destuvius, 12-Dec-15 12:25 PM, #18
     Reply Probably wants others to experience what he does so the..., Lhydia, 12-Dec-15 12:56 PM, #19
     Reply Just for you..., Destuvius, 12-Dec-15 01:02 PM, #20
     Reply Hey buddy..lets not bring facts into this argument. <3 ..., Lhydia, 12-Dec-15 01:23 PM, #23
          Reply My bad.., Destuvius, 13-Dec-15 12:15 PM, #29
     Reply RE: Probably wants others to experience what he does so..., Umiron, 12-Dec-15 01:05 PM, #22
          Reply Request and question:, Iunna, 12-Dec-15 01:51 PM, #25
               Reply RE: Request and question:, Umiron, 12-Dec-15 02:14 PM, #26
     Reply It's nowhere near consistent., Murphy, 12-Dec-15 01:05 PM, #21
     Reply RE: Obs XP that leads to edges needs to go, Isildur, 12-Dec-15 02:16 PM, #27
     Reply RE: Obs XP that leads to edges needs to go, Saagkri, 16-Dec-15 01:13 PM, #50
     Reply Not keen, incognito, 12-Dec-15 01:39 PM, #24
Reply RE: Is it just me?, Umiron, 11-Dec-15 07:00 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Is it just me?, demon, 11-Dec-15 07:10 PM, #2
     Reply I'll bite, Sertius, 11-Dec-15 09:26 PM, #3
     Reply Imo, incognito, 12-Dec-15 03:38 AM, #7
     Reply Saying "must have", incognito, 12-Dec-15 03:43 AM, #8
     Reply RE: I'll bite, Destuvius, 12-Dec-15 06:43 AM, #9
          Reply My take on the Edge dilemma., Quixotic, 13-Dec-15 01:48 PM, #30
          Reply I think you are wrong in your assumptions, -flso, 14-Dec-15 07:07 PM, #35
          Reply Cyradia's post introducing edges:, Quixotic, 14-Dec-15 10:28 PM, #36
               Reply This wasn't the start of edges though..., Elerosse, 15-Dec-15 08:45 PM, #38
          Reply This guy gets it. n/t, Eskelian, 15-Dec-15 09:05 PM, #39
          Reply RE: I'll bite, Eskelian, 15-Dec-15 09:07 PM, #40
     Reply What edges do you need to compete?, laxman, 11-Dec-15 10:13 PM, #4
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