lasentia | Mon 04-Jun-12 05:12 PM |
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#45638, "In truth, are there ever more than 3 deadly berserkers ..."
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Yes, there are more berserkers most of the time, but how many berserkers in the village at one time are probably truly kicking ass and not running 1-1 or losing ratios? I have to think really it's no more than 3 anyway. Usually less.
To me, I don't see the merit in saying you start as scout or defender then switching at some point like 20 mage kills. Frankly, I think more berserkers would actually want to change to scout defender once they've been around a while and experienced the drawbacks of the berserker and realize that DB & thirst won't net you kills easily against a lot of people.
DB thirst and trophy are not 100% obviously greater powers, in my opinion, then critical/discern/evasion or poultice/bandage/field dress, and that is how there is balance I suppose. Defenders give great survivability (which in the right hands translates to offensive ability), scouts give a mix of survivability and killing ability. Berserkers get pure killing potential in exchange for far greater likelihood of dying than any other path. To me it's an equal trade off and generally newer players that take berserker end up doing pretty poorly because DB really is not a win button. Most builds have a path best suited to them, and it's not always the obvious one.
But, since this was about tiered structures, how about this? If anything, go applicant, then blooded villagers all get resist, truesight and spellbane. At five mage kills you choose a path and get 1 skill of the path. Ten mage kills total means 2, fifteen mage kills unlocks the last power.
So at 5 Scouts get discern Defenders get poultice Berserkers get trophy.
10 Scouts get evasion Defengers get field dress Berserkers get DB
15 Scouts get critical Defenders get bandage Berserkers get thirst
Or you get two skills at 5 mage kills and at ten mage kills you unlock the last skill.
Given I don't think the cabal skills are that truly powerful, and that the intent is to really just cut back on rampant berserkers stomping ass, especially pre level 40 (which really I have never seen as a rampant problem anyway- rank sitting assassins are far more common) I don't think a high bar to all the powers really would be needed. I almost always see ragers in general ranking quick as they can. And lots of turnover in the cabal since people die so much in it.
Honestly, I'm fine with ragers getting all their powers on induction, but for discussion's sake thought I would throw out an idea. To me, the best pkers are deadliest when not playing villagers. Sure, a berserker may pull out a miracle win sometimes with DB or thirst, but for every one of those logs there are ten logs of berserkers getting stomped with nothing they can do about it but stand and walk back to their corpse. It is sort of telling that I'm not a great pker and yet Allysia PKed villagers somewhat effectively (in large % berserkers more so than any other). Yeah, power build against them, but still, generally speaking I was killing people with far more PK experience/skill than me and almost never dying to them.
Yeah, was bored since we can't log in so wrote a bit here.
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Standards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetmai b...
[View all] , Abernyte, Wed 30-May-12 03:17 AM
No worries. It's a fair question.,
Djetmai (Anonymous),
02-Jun-12 02:58 PM, #51
Berserker should be Scions.,
Scrimbul,
01-Jun-12 08:45 PM, #32
+1 I think berserker should be earned, like maran. nt,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 10:12 PM, #35
Agree. But then again, I've never had a berserker - jus...,
Obaznuk,
04-Jun-12 04:28 PM, #94
So...,
Hopelessdwarf,
01-Jun-12 10:27 PM, #36
my vision of it,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 10:54 PM, #38
This, yes.,
Scrimbul,
02-Jun-12 01:53 AM, #40
In truth, are there ever more than 3 deadly berserkers ...,
lasentia,
04-Jun-12 05:12 PM #96
Wrong in every way.,
Graatch,
01-Jun-12 10:32 PM, #37
You bring up a couple of very good points,
lurker,
04-Jun-12 10:02 AM, #86
RE: Berserker should be Scions.,
Malakhi,
01-Jun-12 11:48 PM, #39
Yeah, see, that's the problem.,
Scrimbul,
02-Jun-12 02:16 AM, #41
RE: Yeah, see, that's the problem.,
Malakhi,
02-Jun-12 07:14 AM, #43
Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is reall...,
robdarken_,
02-Jun-12 10:26 AM, #44
Time to play a Lohakahn style rager, Rob. nt,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 10:43 AM, #46
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
Malakhi,
02-Jun-12 11:19 AM, #47
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
robdarken_,
02-Jun-12 12:10 PM, #48
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
Malakhi,
02-Jun-12 01:22 PM, #49
I have a problem with the standards and investment,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #52
RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment,
Graatch,
02-Jun-12 07:21 PM, #54
Yes yes, I know,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 10:18 PM, #55
Like I said, play three and you can talk and we'll all ...,
Graatch,
02-Jun-12 10:51 PM, #56
This. n/t,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 01:37 AM, #57
No, this is stupid.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:00 AM, #62
I don't necessarily think it needs to be 3, but... ,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 09:01 AM, #64
They're not outrageous claims.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:23 AM, #66
A couple of things.,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 10:24 AM, #71
RE: A couple of things.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 10:58 AM, #73
RE: A couple of things.,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 11:26 AM, #74
It's really very basic dude.,
Scrimbul,
03-Jun-12 03:21 PM, #80
Really..,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #81
Under Scrimbul. nt,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #82
I would like to chime in here...,
Puhguly,
03-Jun-12 04:43 PM, #83
But does easier make it overpowered.,
Tesline,
04-Jun-12 05:18 AM, #85
You're using certain assumptions to frame your argument...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:10 PM, #93
Really?,
Tsunami,
03-Jun-12 12:07 PM, #75
Then you just,
Artificial,
03-Jun-12 12:52 PM, #78
Using Xilia as an example lost me :(,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:05 PM, #92
So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that mad...,
robdarken_,
04-Jun-12 04:58 PM, #95
Lemur v Pincersvirf is squeued heavily towards pincersv...,
TMNS,
05-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #97
RE: So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that...,
Malakhi,
05-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #98
What is with you and non-sequiturs,
robdarken_,
05-Jun-12 10:37 PM, #99
I agree. You did not say any of that.,
Malakhi,
06-Jun-12 07:24 PM, #102
If you would, enlighten me.,
Batman (Anonymous),
06-Jun-12 05:54 PM, #100
RE: If you would, enlighten me.,
Malakhi,
06-Jun-12 07:14 PM, #101
Experience vs speculation.,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 07:35 AM, #58
When have you played a character that kicked ass ever?,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 08:53 AM, #63
Strong?,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 08:59 AM, #65
RE: Strong?,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:06 AM, #67
Fine then.,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 09:08 AM, #68
I can't even find the name.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:15 AM, #69
Forid never made it past 29.,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 09:21 AM, #70
re Drawbacks,
Quixotic,
03-Jun-12 12:42 PM, #76
Wouldnt that be people's playstyles fault not villagers...,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 12:48 PM, #77
Forid was tough. I liked that char. Sorry I made you ...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:03 PM, #91
you throw up fallacy references to blind yourself to th...,
laxman,
03-Jun-12 02:06 PM, #79
RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 08:47 AM, #61
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
Daevryn,
03-Jun-12 10:50 AM, #72
No matter how sound your reasoning is...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:02 PM, #90
Don't think that's a fair assessment, with declining pl...,
Vortex Magus,
02-Jun-12 06:00 AM, #42
Beront just got 422 pks. nt,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 10:42 AM, #45
Beront is OP.,
DurNominator,
02-Jun-12 02:55 PM, #50
True, 100 PKs less than Kostyan (517) from 5 years ago.,
Vortex Magus,
02-Jun-12 05:04 PM, #53
I thought about this some more,
Daevryn,
04-Jun-12 10:22 AM, #87
This. n/t,
Graatch,
04-Jun-12 11:57 AM, #88
Especially because after you play one...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 01:58 PM, #89
In addition, I think he did reasonably well considering...,
Vortex Magus,
31-May-12 05:09 PM, #12
I haven't 'judged' him you wanker!,
Abernyte,
01-Jun-12 04:23 AM, #14
I really like you the player, Abernyte.,
Oldril,
01-Jun-12 07:31 PM, #28
RE: Standards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetm...,
Malakhi,
31-May-12 09:52 AM, #10
you make me sad,
laxman,
31-May-12 04:16 PM, #11
RE: you make me sad,
Malakhi,
31-May-12 08:31 PM, #13
+1. Dunning-Kruger ftw. nt,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 04:36 AM, #17
Can you explain how this effect fits in here?,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 08:20 AM, #19
I would have assumed that the bottom third was around 1...,
laxman,
01-Jun-12 08:30 AM, #20
I'm actually kinda shocked as well.,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 09:20 AM, #21
arty may be a victim of the dunning-krueger affect,
laxman,
01-Jun-12 10:35 AM, #22
RE: Can you explain how this effect fits in here?,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 03:02 PM, #25
Does not apply in this case.,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 04:22 PM, #26
My originally saying it,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 10:11 PM, #34
When I was commander...,
TMNS,
01-Jun-12 11:08 AM, #23
Followup question to Battle Imms,
DurNominator,
31-May-12 03:15 AM, #5
The answer is No,
laxman,
31-May-12 06:49 AM, #6
It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters,
lasentia,
31-May-12 06:55 AM, #7
RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters,
Daevryn,
31-May-12 08:09 AM, #8
It's just too tough a thing to measure.,
lasentia,
31-May-12 09:23 AM, #9
Aargh! I hate this!,
Abernyte,
01-Jun-12 04:32 AM, #16
I'll say I'm sorry- really just trying to raise discuss...,
lasentia,
01-Jun-12 07:51 AM, #18
RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters,
Iunna,
03-Jun-12 07:59 AM, #59
Can I be clear - I am not complaining about Djetmai!!,
Abernyte,
01-Jun-12 04:27 AM, #15
RE: Followup question to Battle Imms,
Iunna,
03-Jun-12 08:21 AM, #60
RE: Followup question to Battle Imms,
Yean,
03-Jun-12 09:31 PM, #84
You can't use...,
Homard,
30-May-12 09:13 AM, #4
Djetmai's PK Statistics,
Shaapa (Anonymous),
30-May-12 07:28 AM, #2
One factor...,
old_timer,
30-May-12 05:16 AM, #1
RE: One factor...,
Daevryn,
30-May-12 07:31 AM, #3
Tangent:,
Daevryn,
01-Jun-12 02:42 PM, #24
RE: Tangent:,
Oldril,
01-Jun-12 07:28 PM, #27
RE: Tangent:,
Rayihn,
01-Jun-12 07:45 PM, #29
Boo! n/t,
Homard (NOT Scrotar),
01-Jun-12 07:56 PM, #30
That's hysterical. n/t,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 07:57 PM, #31
RE: Tangent:,
Daevryn,
01-Jun-12 09:28 PM, #33
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