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lasentiaMon 04-Jun-12 05:12 PM
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#45638, "In truth, are there ever more than 3 deadly berserkers ..."


          

Yes, there are more berserkers most of the time, but how many berserkers in the village at one time are probably truly kicking ass and not running 1-1 or losing ratios? I have to think really it's no more than 3 anyway. Usually less.

To me, I don't see the merit in saying you start as scout or defender then switching at some point like 20 mage kills. Frankly, I think more berserkers would actually want to change to scout defender once they've been around a while and experienced the drawbacks of the berserker and realize that DB & thirst won't net you kills easily against a lot of people.

DB thirst and trophy are not 100% obviously greater powers, in my opinion, then critical/discern/evasion or poultice/bandage/field dress, and that is how there is balance I suppose. Defenders give great survivability (which in the right hands translates to offensive ability), scouts give a mix of survivability and killing ability. Berserkers get pure killing potential in exchange for far greater likelihood of dying than any other path. To me it's an equal trade off and generally newer players that take berserker end up doing pretty poorly because DB really is not a win button. Most builds have a path best suited to them, and it's not always the obvious one.

But, since this was about tiered structures, how about this?
If anything, go applicant, then blooded villagers all get resist, truesight and spellbane. At five mage kills you choose a path and get 1 skill of the path. Ten mage kills total means 2, fifteen mage kills unlocks the last power.

So at 5
Scouts get discern
Defenders get poultice
Berserkers get trophy.

10
Scouts get evasion
Defengers get field dress
Berserkers get DB

15
Scouts get critical
Defenders get bandage
Berserkers get thirst

Or you get two skills at 5 mage kills and at ten mage kills you unlock the last skill.

Given I don't think the cabal skills are that truly powerful, and that the intent is to really just cut back on rampant berserkers stomping ass, especially pre level 40 (which really I have never seen as a rampant problem anyway- rank sitting assassins are far more common) I don't think a high bar to all the powers really would be needed. I almost always see ragers in general ranking quick as they can. And lots of turnover in the cabal since people die so much in it.

Honestly, I'm fine with ragers getting all their powers on induction, but for discussion's sake thought I would throw out an idea. To me, the best pkers are deadliest when not playing villagers. Sure, a berserker may pull out a miracle win sometimes with DB or thirst, but for every one of those logs there are ten logs of berserkers getting stomped with nothing they can do about it but stand and walk back to their corpse. It is sort of telling that I'm not a great pker and yet Allysia PKed villagers somewhat effectively (in large % berserkers more so than any other). Yeah, power build against them, but still, generally speaking I was killing people with far more PK experience/skill than me and almost never dying to them.

Yeah, was bored since we can't log in so wrote a bit here.

  

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HOT TopicStandards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetmai b... [View all] , Abernyte, Wed 30-May-12 03:17 AM
Reply No worries. It's a fair question., Djetmai (Anonymous), 02-Jun-12 02:58 PM, #51
Reply Berserker should be Scions., Scrimbul, 01-Jun-12 08:45 PM, #32
Reply +1 I think berserker should be earned, like maran. nt, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:12 PM, #35
Reply Agree. But then again, I've never had a berserker - jus..., Obaznuk, 04-Jun-12 04:28 PM, #94
Reply So..., Hopelessdwarf, 01-Jun-12 10:27 PM, #36
Reply my vision of it, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:54 PM, #38
     Reply This, yes., Scrimbul, 02-Jun-12 01:53 AM, #40
          Reply In truth, are there ever more than 3 deadly berserkers ..., lasentia, 04-Jun-12 05:12 PM #96
Reply Wrong in every way., Graatch, 01-Jun-12 10:32 PM, #37
Reply You bring up a couple of very good points, lurker, 04-Jun-12 10:02 AM, #86
Reply RE: Berserker should be Scions., Malakhi, 01-Jun-12 11:48 PM, #39
     Reply Yeah, see, that's the problem., Scrimbul, 02-Jun-12 02:16 AM, #41
     Reply RE: Yeah, see, that's the problem., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 07:14 AM, #43
          Reply Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is reall..., robdarken_, 02-Jun-12 10:26 AM, #44
               Reply Time to play a Lohakahn style rager, Rob. nt, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:43 AM, #46
               Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 11:19 AM, #47
                    Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., robdarken_, 02-Jun-12 12:10 PM, #48
                         Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 01:22 PM, #49
                         Reply I have a problem with the standards and investment, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #52
                         Reply RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment, Graatch, 02-Jun-12 07:21 PM, #54
                              Reply Yes yes, I know, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:18 PM, #55
                              Reply Like I said, play three and you can talk and we'll all ..., Graatch, 02-Jun-12 10:51 PM, #56
                              Reply This. n/t, Homard, 03-Jun-12 01:37 AM, #57
                                   Reply No, this is stupid., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:00 AM, #62
                                        Reply I don't necessarily think it needs to be 3, but... , Homard, 03-Jun-12 09:01 AM, #64
                                        Reply They're not outrageous claims., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:23 AM, #66
                                        Reply A couple of things., Homard, 03-Jun-12 10:24 AM, #71
                                             Reply RE: A couple of things., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 10:58 AM, #73
                                                  Reply RE: A couple of things., Homard, 03-Jun-12 11:26 AM, #74
                                                  Reply It's really very basic dude., Scrimbul, 03-Jun-12 03:21 PM, #80
                                                  Reply Really.., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #81
                                                  Reply Under Scrimbul. nt, Tesline, 03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #82
                                                  Reply I would like to chime in here..., Puhguly, 03-Jun-12 04:43 PM, #83
                                                  Reply But does easier make it overpowered., Tesline, 04-Jun-12 05:18 AM, #85
                                                  Reply You're using certain assumptions to frame your argument..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:10 PM, #93
                                        Reply Really?, Tsunami, 03-Jun-12 12:07 PM, #75
                                             Reply Then you just, Artificial, 03-Jun-12 12:52 PM, #78
                                        Reply Using Xilia as an example lost me :(, TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:05 PM, #92
                                             Reply So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that mad..., robdarken_, 04-Jun-12 04:58 PM, #95
                                                  Reply Lemur v Pincersvirf is squeued heavily towards pincersv..., TMNS, 05-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #97
                                                  Reply RE: So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that..., Malakhi, 05-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #98
                                                       Reply What is with you and non-sequiturs, robdarken_, 05-Jun-12 10:37 PM, #99
                                                       Reply I agree. You did not say any of that., Malakhi, 06-Jun-12 07:24 PM, #102
                                                       Reply If you would, enlighten me., Batman (Anonymous), 06-Jun-12 05:54 PM, #100
                                                            Reply RE: If you would, enlighten me., Malakhi, 06-Jun-12 07:14 PM, #101
                              Reply Experience vs speculation., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 07:35 AM, #58
                              Reply When have you played a character that kicked ass ever?, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 08:53 AM, #63
                                   Reply Strong?, Tesline, 03-Jun-12 08:59 AM, #65
                                        Reply RE: Strong?, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:06 AM, #67
                                             Reply Fine then., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 09:08 AM, #68
                                                  Reply I can't even find the name., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:15 AM, #69
                                                  Reply Forid never made it past 29., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 09:21 AM, #70
                                                       Reply re Drawbacks, Quixotic, 03-Jun-12 12:42 PM, #76
                                                       Reply Wouldnt that be people's playstyles fault not villagers..., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 12:48 PM, #77
                                                  Reply Forid was tough. I liked that char. Sorry I made you ..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:03 PM, #91
                              Reply you throw up fallacy references to blind yourself to th..., laxman, 03-Jun-12 02:06 PM, #79
                              Reply RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 08:47 AM, #61
                         Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Daevryn, 03-Jun-12 10:50 AM, #72
                         Reply No matter how sound your reasoning is..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:02 PM, #90
     Reply Don't think that's a fair assessment, with declining pl..., Vortex Magus, 02-Jun-12 06:00 AM, #42
     Reply Beront just got 422 pks. nt, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:42 AM, #45
          Reply Beront is OP., DurNominator, 02-Jun-12 02:55 PM, #50
          Reply True, 100 PKs less than Kostyan (517) from 5 years ago., Vortex Magus, 02-Jun-12 05:04 PM, #53
     Reply I thought about this some more, Daevryn, 04-Jun-12 10:22 AM, #87
          Reply This. n/t, Graatch, 04-Jun-12 11:57 AM, #88
          Reply Especially because after you play one..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 01:58 PM, #89
Reply In addition, I think he did reasonably well considering..., Vortex Magus, 31-May-12 05:09 PM, #12
Reply I haven't 'judged' him you wanker!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:23 AM, #14
     Reply I really like you the player, Abernyte., Oldril, 01-Jun-12 07:31 PM, #28
Reply RE: Standards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetm..., Malakhi, 31-May-12 09:52 AM, #10
Reply you make me sad, laxman, 31-May-12 04:16 PM, #11
     Reply RE: you make me sad, Malakhi, 31-May-12 08:31 PM, #13
     Reply +1. Dunning-Kruger ftw. nt, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 04:36 AM, #17
          Reply Can you explain how this effect fits in here?, Homard, 01-Jun-12 08:20 AM, #19
               Reply I would have assumed that the bottom third was around 1..., laxman, 01-Jun-12 08:30 AM, #20
               Reply I'm actually kinda shocked as well., Homard, 01-Jun-12 09:20 AM, #21
                    Reply arty may be a victim of the dunning-krueger affect, laxman, 01-Jun-12 10:35 AM, #22
               Reply RE: Can you explain how this effect fits in here?, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 03:02 PM, #25
                    Reply Does not apply in this case., Homard, 01-Jun-12 04:22 PM, #26
                         Reply My originally saying it, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:11 PM, #34
     Reply When I was commander..., TMNS, 01-Jun-12 11:08 AM, #23
Reply Followup question to Battle Imms, DurNominator, 31-May-12 03:15 AM, #5
Reply The answer is No, laxman, 31-May-12 06:49 AM, #6
Reply It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, lasentia, 31-May-12 06:55 AM, #7
Reply RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, Daevryn, 31-May-12 08:09 AM, #8
     Reply It's just too tough a thing to measure., lasentia, 31-May-12 09:23 AM, #9
     Reply Aargh! I hate this!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:32 AM, #16
          Reply I'll say I'm sorry- really just trying to raise discuss..., lasentia, 01-Jun-12 07:51 AM, #18
     Reply RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, Iunna, 03-Jun-12 07:59 AM, #59
Reply Can I be clear - I am not complaining about Djetmai!!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:27 AM, #15
Reply RE: Followup question to Battle Imms, Iunna, 03-Jun-12 08:21 AM, #60
Reply RE: Followup question to Battle Imms, Yean, 03-Jun-12 09:31 PM, #84
Reply You can't use..., Homard, 30-May-12 09:13 AM, #4
Reply Djetmai's PK Statistics, Shaapa (Anonymous), 30-May-12 07:28 AM, #2
Reply One factor..., old_timer, 30-May-12 05:16 AM, #1
     Reply RE: One factor..., Daevryn, 30-May-12 07:31 AM, #3
          Reply Tangent:, Daevryn, 01-Jun-12 02:42 PM, #24
               Reply RE: Tangent:, Oldril, 01-Jun-12 07:28 PM, #27
                    Reply RE: Tangent:, Rayihn, 01-Jun-12 07:45 PM, #29
                    Reply Boo! n/t, Homard (NOT Scrotar), 01-Jun-12 07:56 PM, #30
                         Reply That's hysterical. n/t, Homard, 01-Jun-12 07:57 PM, #31
                    Reply RE: Tangent:, Daevryn, 01-Jun-12 09:28 PM, #33
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