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AbernyteWed 30-May-12 03:17 AM
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#45483, "Standards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetmai but it was your pbf that prompted my questions."


          

I tried, a long time ago, a cloud ranger hunter villager when I had the idea that Deathblows should land pretty often with a bow as they can only be shield blocked or dodged. This was before we fully understood that hunter bearcharge is a complete waste of time. As such I would win fights in terms of beating enemies but could never quite seal the kill because of a lack of regular lagging ability. I was then told by 'An Immortal' through the Destructor, and I paraphrase here, that I need to get more kills or I will lose my hut as a berserker. I was then given a week to get 5 mage kills with my almost non-existant lag inducing build. I managed 3 and failed, got pissed off and deleted after getting uninducted because it was a failed character build.

So when I read Djetmai's PBF I was curious as to whether things have changed and standards dropped or if it just went unnoticed.

MY question is with regards to PKing ability as a berserker. It is a popular path in the village and sometimes it gets full and applicants are asked to wait or chose a different path so if we have a thief with 17 kills and 29 assists (23 of these were in 'cabal raids' based on location. The gank-o-meter then reads 'super-ganky' and this raises questions to me about the Imms/commander/Djetmai.

A berserker should be PK solid and have more than 17 PKs for 306 hours. It may be drawn into combat in cabals that get recorded as ganks as far as the gank-o-meter is concerned but if the berserker is proving to be inefectual as a solo-fighter and only shows any real use as a 'war-party' member, shouldn't the Imms/commander have a word with said berserker and, to begin with, suggest that they might consider changing paths to one more suited to them and later if the hint wasn't strong enough, tell them to show their prowess as a solo fighter more or risk losing the position of berserker forcably?

Maybe I am a little out of touch, maybe the Imms would see it as 'ruining' a character but I see it as an RP reason to hold berserkers to the higher standards within the village, therefore, an RP opportunity for the player in question to let the character evolve.

Anyway, I am not hating on Djetmai but curious as to the Imms reasons for letting the 'so-called' standards for berserkers drop.

  

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HOT TopicStandards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetmai b... [View all] , Abernyte, Wed 30-May-12 03:17 AM
Reply No worries. It's a fair question., Djetmai (Anonymous), 02-Jun-12 02:58 PM, #51
Reply Berserker should be Scions., Scrimbul, 01-Jun-12 08:45 PM, #32
Reply +1 I think berserker should be earned, like maran. nt, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:12 PM, #35
Reply Agree. But then again, I've never had a berserker - jus..., Obaznuk, 04-Jun-12 04:28 PM, #94
Reply So..., Hopelessdwarf, 01-Jun-12 10:27 PM, #36
Reply my vision of it, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:54 PM, #38
     Reply This, yes., Scrimbul, 02-Jun-12 01:53 AM, #40
          Reply In truth, are there ever more than 3 deadly berserkers ..., lasentia, 04-Jun-12 05:12 PM, #96
Reply Wrong in every way., Graatch, 01-Jun-12 10:32 PM, #37
Reply You bring up a couple of very good points, lurker, 04-Jun-12 10:02 AM, #86
Reply RE: Berserker should be Scions., Malakhi, 01-Jun-12 11:48 PM, #39
     Reply Yeah, see, that's the problem., Scrimbul, 02-Jun-12 02:16 AM, #41
     Reply RE: Yeah, see, that's the problem., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 07:14 AM, #43
          Reply Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is reall..., robdarken_, 02-Jun-12 10:26 AM, #44
               Reply Time to play a Lohakahn style rager, Rob. nt, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:43 AM, #46
               Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 11:19 AM, #47
                    Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., robdarken_, 02-Jun-12 12:10 PM, #48
                         Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 01:22 PM, #49
                         Reply I have a problem with the standards and investment, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #52
                         Reply RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment, Graatch, 02-Jun-12 07:21 PM, #54
                              Reply Yes yes, I know, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:18 PM, #55
                              Reply Like I said, play three and you can talk and we'll all ..., Graatch, 02-Jun-12 10:51 PM, #56
                              Reply This. n/t, Homard, 03-Jun-12 01:37 AM, #57
                                   Reply No, this is stupid., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:00 AM, #62
                                        Reply I don't necessarily think it needs to be 3, but... , Homard, 03-Jun-12 09:01 AM, #64
                                        Reply They're not outrageous claims., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:23 AM, #66
                                        Reply A couple of things., Homard, 03-Jun-12 10:24 AM, #71
                                             Reply RE: A couple of things., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 10:58 AM, #73
                                                  Reply RE: A couple of things., Homard, 03-Jun-12 11:26 AM, #74
                                                  Reply It's really very basic dude., Scrimbul, 03-Jun-12 03:21 PM, #80
                                                  Reply Really.., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #81
                                                  Reply Under Scrimbul. nt, Tesline, 03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #82
                                                  Reply I would like to chime in here..., Puhguly, 03-Jun-12 04:43 PM, #83
                                                  Reply But does easier make it overpowered., Tesline, 04-Jun-12 05:18 AM, #85
                                                  Reply You're using certain assumptions to frame your argument..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:10 PM, #93
                                        Reply Really?, Tsunami, 03-Jun-12 12:07 PM, #75
                                             Reply Then you just, Artificial, 03-Jun-12 12:52 PM, #78
                                        Reply Using Xilia as an example lost me :(, TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:05 PM, #92
                                             Reply So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that mad..., robdarken_, 04-Jun-12 04:58 PM, #95
                                                  Reply Lemur v Pincersvirf is squeued heavily towards pincersv..., TMNS, 05-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #97
                                                  Reply RE: So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that..., Malakhi, 05-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #98
                                                       Reply What is with you and non-sequiturs, robdarken_, 05-Jun-12 10:37 PM, #99
                                                       Reply I agree. You did not say any of that., Malakhi, 06-Jun-12 07:24 PM, #102
                                                       Reply If you would, enlighten me., Batman (Anonymous), 06-Jun-12 05:54 PM, #100
                                                            Reply RE: If you would, enlighten me., Malakhi, 06-Jun-12 07:14 PM, #101
                              Reply Experience vs speculation., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 07:35 AM, #58
                              Reply When have you played a character that kicked ass ever?, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 08:53 AM, #63
                                   Reply Strong?, Tesline, 03-Jun-12 08:59 AM, #65
                                        Reply RE: Strong?, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:06 AM, #67
                                             Reply Fine then., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 09:08 AM, #68
                                                  Reply I can't even find the name., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:15 AM, #69
                                                  Reply Forid never made it past 29., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 09:21 AM, #70
                                                       Reply re Drawbacks, Quixotic, 03-Jun-12 12:42 PM, #76
                                                       Reply Wouldnt that be people's playstyles fault not villagers..., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 12:48 PM, #77
                                                  Reply Forid was tough. I liked that char. Sorry I made you ..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:03 PM, #91
                              Reply you throw up fallacy references to blind yourself to th..., laxman, 03-Jun-12 02:06 PM, #79
                              Reply RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 08:47 AM, #61
                         Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Daevryn, 03-Jun-12 10:50 AM, #72
                         Reply No matter how sound your reasoning is..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:02 PM, #90
     Reply Don't think that's a fair assessment, with declining pl..., Vortex Magus, 02-Jun-12 06:00 AM, #42
     Reply Beront just got 422 pks. nt, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:42 AM, #45
          Reply Beront is OP., DurNominator, 02-Jun-12 02:55 PM, #50
          Reply True, 100 PKs less than Kostyan (517) from 5 years ago., Vortex Magus, 02-Jun-12 05:04 PM, #53
     Reply I thought about this some more, Daevryn, 04-Jun-12 10:22 AM, #87
          Reply This. n/t, Graatch, 04-Jun-12 11:57 AM, #88
          Reply Especially because after you play one..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 01:58 PM, #89
Reply In addition, I think he did reasonably well considering..., Vortex Magus, 31-May-12 05:09 PM, #12
Reply I haven't 'judged' him you wanker!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:23 AM, #14
     Reply I really like you the player, Abernyte., Oldril, 01-Jun-12 07:31 PM, #28
Reply RE: Standards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetm..., Malakhi, 31-May-12 09:52 AM, #10
Reply you make me sad, laxman, 31-May-12 04:16 PM, #11
     Reply RE: you make me sad, Malakhi, 31-May-12 08:31 PM, #13
     Reply +1. Dunning-Kruger ftw. nt, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 04:36 AM, #17
          Reply Can you explain how this effect fits in here?, Homard, 01-Jun-12 08:20 AM, #19
               Reply I would have assumed that the bottom third was around 1..., laxman, 01-Jun-12 08:30 AM, #20
               Reply I'm actually kinda shocked as well., Homard, 01-Jun-12 09:20 AM, #21
                    Reply arty may be a victim of the dunning-krueger affect, laxman, 01-Jun-12 10:35 AM, #22
               Reply RE: Can you explain how this effect fits in here?, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 03:02 PM, #25
                    Reply Does not apply in this case., Homard, 01-Jun-12 04:22 PM, #26
                         Reply My originally saying it, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:11 PM, #34
     Reply When I was commander..., TMNS, 01-Jun-12 11:08 AM, #23
Reply Followup question to Battle Imms, DurNominator, 31-May-12 03:15 AM, #5
Reply The answer is No, laxman, 31-May-12 06:49 AM, #6
Reply It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, lasentia, 31-May-12 06:55 AM, #7
Reply RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, Daevryn, 31-May-12 08:09 AM, #8
     Reply It's just too tough a thing to measure., lasentia, 31-May-12 09:23 AM, #9
     Reply Aargh! I hate this!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:32 AM, #16
          Reply I'll say I'm sorry- really just trying to raise discuss..., lasentia, 01-Jun-12 07:51 AM, #18
     Reply RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, Iunna, 03-Jun-12 07:59 AM, #59
Reply Can I be clear - I am not complaining about Djetmai!!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:27 AM, #15
Reply RE: Followup question to Battle Imms, Iunna, 03-Jun-12 08:21 AM, #60
Reply RE: Followup question to Battle Imms, Yean, 03-Jun-12 09:31 PM, #84
Reply You can't use..., Homard, 30-May-12 09:13 AM, #4
Reply Djetmai's PK Statistics, Shaapa (Anonymous), 30-May-12 07:28 AM, #2
Reply One factor..., old_timer, 30-May-12 05:16 AM, #1
     Reply RE: One factor..., Daevryn, 30-May-12 07:31 AM, #3
          Reply Tangent:, Daevryn, 01-Jun-12 02:42 PM, #24
               Reply RE: Tangent:, Oldril, 01-Jun-12 07:28 PM, #27
                    Reply RE: Tangent:, Rayihn, 01-Jun-12 07:45 PM, #29
                    Reply Boo! n/t, Homard (NOT Scrotar), 01-Jun-12 07:56 PM, #30
                         Reply That's hysterical. n/t, Homard, 01-Jun-12 07:57 PM, #31
                    Reply RE: Tangent:, Daevryn, 01-Jun-12 09:28 PM, #33
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