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DaevrynMon 04-Jun-12 10:22 AM
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#45617, "I thought about this some more"


          

And I think some of the perennial disconnect on Berserkers relates to skill level.

Some abilities are tricky to balance because they're different amount of good for different skill of players. Take Energy Drain, for instance. I don't recall the specifics but I recall a point some years ago when one of the better players killed a bunch of people with Energy Drain. Before you know it a lot of really terrible shamans and necromancers are going into fights just spamming it right off the bat and they're dying and dying.

It's because Energy Drain is one of those abilities that's more useful as you get better with the classes that have it. When you're not very good yet, you almost should pretend you don't even have it. When you're closer to the top end, it's a big key tool in your arsenal and it's enormous in some fights even if you don't use it at all in others.

Being a Battle Berserker Warrior is about the exact opposite. When you're really terrible at the game and it's hard for you to get a PK with anything, well, if you con die RBW you'll probably get at least a couple. When you're middle of the pack it still seems pretty good. When you're really good with a warrior, it's a terrible deal -- you for sure can run a better ratio with Empire or Nexus or Scion or probably even Fortress warrior. This is why the Graatches and Twists of the world don't think Deathblow is crazy -- for them, it's something they have on a challenge character, a character that's clearly weaker than their other options. But if you're on your second or third warrior, it probably isn't like that for you.

Dealing with Berserkers in the receiving end is pretty similar. When I first started playing all those unspeaks just seemed so insurmountable. Now, not so much.

  

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HOT TopicStandards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetmai b... [View all] , Abernyte, Wed 30-May-12 03:17 AM
Reply No worries. It's a fair question., Djetmai (Anonymous), 02-Jun-12 02:58 PM, #51
Reply Berserker should be Scions., Scrimbul, 01-Jun-12 08:45 PM, #32
Reply +1 I think berserker should be earned, like maran. nt, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:12 PM, #35
Reply Agree. But then again, I've never had a berserker - jus..., Obaznuk, 04-Jun-12 04:28 PM, #94
Reply So..., Hopelessdwarf, 01-Jun-12 10:27 PM, #36
Reply my vision of it, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:54 PM, #38
     Reply This, yes., Scrimbul, 02-Jun-12 01:53 AM, #40
          Reply In truth, are there ever more than 3 deadly berserkers ..., lasentia, 04-Jun-12 05:12 PM, #96
Reply Wrong in every way., Graatch, 01-Jun-12 10:32 PM, #37
Reply You bring up a couple of very good points, lurker, 04-Jun-12 10:02 AM, #86
Reply RE: Berserker should be Scions., Malakhi, 01-Jun-12 11:48 PM, #39
     Reply Yeah, see, that's the problem., Scrimbul, 02-Jun-12 02:16 AM, #41
     Reply RE: Yeah, see, that's the problem., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 07:14 AM, #43
          Reply Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is reall..., robdarken_, 02-Jun-12 10:26 AM, #44
               Reply Time to play a Lohakahn style rager, Rob. nt, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:43 AM, #46
               Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 11:19 AM, #47
                    Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., robdarken_, 02-Jun-12 12:10 PM, #48
                         Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 01:22 PM, #49
                         Reply I have a problem with the standards and investment, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #52
                         Reply RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment, Graatch, 02-Jun-12 07:21 PM, #54
                              Reply Yes yes, I know, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:18 PM, #55
                              Reply Like I said, play three and you can talk and we'll all ..., Graatch, 02-Jun-12 10:51 PM, #56
                              Reply This. n/t, Homard, 03-Jun-12 01:37 AM, #57
                                   Reply No, this is stupid., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:00 AM, #62
                                        Reply I don't necessarily think it needs to be 3, but... , Homard, 03-Jun-12 09:01 AM, #64
                                        Reply They're not outrageous claims., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:23 AM, #66
                                        Reply A couple of things., Homard, 03-Jun-12 10:24 AM, #71
                                             Reply RE: A couple of things., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 10:58 AM, #73
                                                  Reply RE: A couple of things., Homard, 03-Jun-12 11:26 AM, #74
                                                  Reply It's really very basic dude., Scrimbul, 03-Jun-12 03:21 PM, #80
                                                  Reply Really.., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #81
                                                  Reply Under Scrimbul. nt, Tesline, 03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #82
                                                  Reply I would like to chime in here..., Puhguly, 03-Jun-12 04:43 PM, #83
                                                  Reply But does easier make it overpowered., Tesline, 04-Jun-12 05:18 AM, #85
                                                  Reply You're using certain assumptions to frame your argument..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:10 PM, #93
                                        Reply Really?, Tsunami, 03-Jun-12 12:07 PM, #75
                                             Reply Then you just, Artificial, 03-Jun-12 12:52 PM, #78
                                        Reply Using Xilia as an example lost me :(, TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:05 PM, #92
                                             Reply So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that mad..., robdarken_, 04-Jun-12 04:58 PM, #95
                                                  Reply Lemur v Pincersvirf is squeued heavily towards pincersv..., TMNS, 05-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #97
                                                  Reply RE: So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that..., Malakhi, 05-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #98
                                                       Reply What is with you and non-sequiturs, robdarken_, 05-Jun-12 10:37 PM, #99
                                                       Reply I agree. You did not say any of that., Malakhi, 06-Jun-12 07:24 PM, #102
                                                       Reply If you would, enlighten me., Batman (Anonymous), 06-Jun-12 05:54 PM, #100
                                                            Reply RE: If you would, enlighten me., Malakhi, 06-Jun-12 07:14 PM, #101
                              Reply Experience vs speculation., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 07:35 AM, #58
                              Reply When have you played a character that kicked ass ever?, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 08:53 AM, #63
                                   Reply Strong?, Tesline, 03-Jun-12 08:59 AM, #65
                                        Reply RE: Strong?, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:06 AM, #67
                                             Reply Fine then., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 09:08 AM, #68
                                                  Reply I can't even find the name., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:15 AM, #69
                                                  Reply Forid never made it past 29., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 09:21 AM, #70
                                                       Reply re Drawbacks, Quixotic, 03-Jun-12 12:42 PM, #76
                                                       Reply Wouldnt that be people's playstyles fault not villagers..., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 12:48 PM, #77
                                                  Reply Forid was tough. I liked that char. Sorry I made you ..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:03 PM, #91
                              Reply you throw up fallacy references to blind yourself to th..., laxman, 03-Jun-12 02:06 PM, #79
                              Reply RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 08:47 AM, #61
                         Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Daevryn, 03-Jun-12 10:50 AM, #72
                         Reply No matter how sound your reasoning is..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:02 PM, #90
     Reply Don't think that's a fair assessment, with declining pl..., Vortex Magus, 02-Jun-12 06:00 AM, #42
     Reply Beront just got 422 pks. nt, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:42 AM, #45
          Reply Beront is OP., DurNominator, 02-Jun-12 02:55 PM, #50
          Reply True, 100 PKs less than Kostyan (517) from 5 years ago., Vortex Magus, 02-Jun-12 05:04 PM, #53
     Reply I thought about this some more, Daevryn, 04-Jun-12 10:22 AM #87
          Reply This. n/t, Graatch, 04-Jun-12 11:57 AM, #88
          Reply Especially because after you play one..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 01:58 PM, #89
Reply In addition, I think he did reasonably well considering..., Vortex Magus, 31-May-12 05:09 PM, #12
Reply I haven't 'judged' him you wanker!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:23 AM, #14
     Reply I really like you the player, Abernyte., Oldril, 01-Jun-12 07:31 PM, #28
Reply RE: Standards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetm..., Malakhi, 31-May-12 09:52 AM, #10
Reply you make me sad, laxman, 31-May-12 04:16 PM, #11
     Reply RE: you make me sad, Malakhi, 31-May-12 08:31 PM, #13
     Reply +1. Dunning-Kruger ftw. nt, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 04:36 AM, #17
          Reply Can you explain how this effect fits in here?, Homard, 01-Jun-12 08:20 AM, #19
               Reply I would have assumed that the bottom third was around 1..., laxman, 01-Jun-12 08:30 AM, #20
               Reply I'm actually kinda shocked as well., Homard, 01-Jun-12 09:20 AM, #21
                    Reply arty may be a victim of the dunning-krueger affect, laxman, 01-Jun-12 10:35 AM, #22
               Reply RE: Can you explain how this effect fits in here?, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 03:02 PM, #25
                    Reply Does not apply in this case., Homard, 01-Jun-12 04:22 PM, #26
                         Reply My originally saying it, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:11 PM, #34
     Reply When I was commander..., TMNS, 01-Jun-12 11:08 AM, #23
Reply Followup question to Battle Imms, DurNominator, 31-May-12 03:15 AM, #5
Reply The answer is No, laxman, 31-May-12 06:49 AM, #6
Reply It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, lasentia, 31-May-12 06:55 AM, #7
Reply RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, Daevryn, 31-May-12 08:09 AM, #8
     Reply It's just too tough a thing to measure., lasentia, 31-May-12 09:23 AM, #9
     Reply Aargh! I hate this!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:32 AM, #16
          Reply I'll say I'm sorry- really just trying to raise discuss..., lasentia, 01-Jun-12 07:51 AM, #18
     Reply RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, Iunna, 03-Jun-12 07:59 AM, #59
Reply Can I be clear - I am not complaining about Djetmai!!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:27 AM, #15
Reply RE: Followup question to Battle Imms, Iunna, 03-Jun-12 08:21 AM, #60
Reply RE: Followup question to Battle Imms, Yean, 03-Jun-12 09:31 PM, #84
Reply You can't use..., Homard, 30-May-12 09:13 AM, #4
Reply Djetmai's PK Statistics, Shaapa (Anonymous), 30-May-12 07:28 AM, #2
Reply One factor..., old_timer, 30-May-12 05:16 AM, #1
     Reply RE: One factor..., Daevryn, 30-May-12 07:31 AM, #3
          Reply Tangent:, Daevryn, 01-Jun-12 02:42 PM, #24
               Reply RE: Tangent:, Oldril, 01-Jun-12 07:28 PM, #27
                    Reply RE: Tangent:, Rayihn, 01-Jun-12 07:45 PM, #29
                    Reply Boo! n/t, Homard (NOT Scrotar), 01-Jun-12 07:56 PM, #30
                         Reply That's hysterical. n/t, Homard, 01-Jun-12 07:57 PM, #31
                    Reply RE: Tangent:, Daevryn, 01-Jun-12 09:28 PM, #33
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