Daevryn | Mon 04-Jun-12 10:22 AM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
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#45617, "I thought about this some more"
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And I think some of the perennial disconnect on Berserkers relates to skill level.
Some abilities are tricky to balance because they're different amount of good for different skill of players. Take Energy Drain, for instance. I don't recall the specifics but I recall a point some years ago when one of the better players killed a bunch of people with Energy Drain. Before you know it a lot of really terrible shamans and necromancers are going into fights just spamming it right off the bat and they're dying and dying.
It's because Energy Drain is one of those abilities that's more useful as you get better with the classes that have it. When you're not very good yet, you almost should pretend you don't even have it. When you're closer to the top end, it's a big key tool in your arsenal and it's enormous in some fights even if you don't use it at all in others.
Being a Battle Berserker Warrior is about the exact opposite. When you're really terrible at the game and it's hard for you to get a PK with anything, well, if you con die RBW you'll probably get at least a couple. When you're middle of the pack it still seems pretty good. When you're really good with a warrior, it's a terrible deal -- you for sure can run a better ratio with Empire or Nexus or Scion or probably even Fortress warrior. This is why the Graatches and Twists of the world don't think Deathblow is crazy -- for them, it's something they have on a challenge character, a character that's clearly weaker than their other options. But if you're on your second or third warrior, it probably isn't like that for you.
Dealing with Berserkers in the receiving end is pretty similar. When I first started playing all those unspeaks just seemed so insurmountable. Now, not so much.
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Standards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetmai b...
[View all] , Abernyte, Wed 30-May-12 03:17 AM
No worries. It's a fair question.,
Djetmai (Anonymous),
02-Jun-12 02:58 PM, #51
Berserker should be Scions.,
Scrimbul,
01-Jun-12 08:45 PM, #32
+1 I think berserker should be earned, like maran. nt,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 10:12 PM, #35
Agree. But then again, I've never had a berserker - jus...,
Obaznuk,
04-Jun-12 04:28 PM, #94
So...,
Hopelessdwarf,
01-Jun-12 10:27 PM, #36
my vision of it,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 10:54 PM, #38
This, yes.,
Scrimbul,
02-Jun-12 01:53 AM, #40
In truth, are there ever more than 3 deadly berserkers ...,
lasentia,
04-Jun-12 05:12 PM, #96
Wrong in every way.,
Graatch,
01-Jun-12 10:32 PM, #37
You bring up a couple of very good points,
lurker,
04-Jun-12 10:02 AM, #86
RE: Berserker should be Scions.,
Malakhi,
01-Jun-12 11:48 PM, #39
Yeah, see, that's the problem.,
Scrimbul,
02-Jun-12 02:16 AM, #41
RE: Yeah, see, that's the problem.,
Malakhi,
02-Jun-12 07:14 AM, #43
Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is reall...,
robdarken_,
02-Jun-12 10:26 AM, #44
Time to play a Lohakahn style rager, Rob. nt,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 10:43 AM, #46
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
Malakhi,
02-Jun-12 11:19 AM, #47
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
robdarken_,
02-Jun-12 12:10 PM, #48
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
Malakhi,
02-Jun-12 01:22 PM, #49
I have a problem with the standards and investment,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #52
RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment,
Graatch,
02-Jun-12 07:21 PM, #54
Yes yes, I know,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 10:18 PM, #55
Like I said, play three and you can talk and we'll all ...,
Graatch,
02-Jun-12 10:51 PM, #56
This. n/t,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 01:37 AM, #57
No, this is stupid.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:00 AM, #62
I don't necessarily think it needs to be 3, but... ,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 09:01 AM, #64
They're not outrageous claims.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:23 AM, #66
A couple of things.,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 10:24 AM, #71
RE: A couple of things.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 10:58 AM, #73
RE: A couple of things.,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 11:26 AM, #74
It's really very basic dude.,
Scrimbul,
03-Jun-12 03:21 PM, #80
Really..,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #81
Under Scrimbul. nt,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #82
I would like to chime in here...,
Puhguly,
03-Jun-12 04:43 PM, #83
But does easier make it overpowered.,
Tesline,
04-Jun-12 05:18 AM, #85
You're using certain assumptions to frame your argument...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:10 PM, #93
Really?,
Tsunami,
03-Jun-12 12:07 PM, #75
Then you just,
Artificial,
03-Jun-12 12:52 PM, #78
Using Xilia as an example lost me :(,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:05 PM, #92
So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that mad...,
robdarken_,
04-Jun-12 04:58 PM, #95
Lemur v Pincersvirf is squeued heavily towards pincersv...,
TMNS,
05-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #97
RE: So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that...,
Malakhi,
05-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #98
What is with you and non-sequiturs,
robdarken_,
05-Jun-12 10:37 PM, #99
I agree. You did not say any of that.,
Malakhi,
06-Jun-12 07:24 PM, #102
If you would, enlighten me.,
Batman (Anonymous),
06-Jun-12 05:54 PM, #100
RE: If you would, enlighten me.,
Malakhi,
06-Jun-12 07:14 PM, #101
Experience vs speculation.,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 07:35 AM, #58
When have you played a character that kicked ass ever?,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 08:53 AM, #63
Strong?,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 08:59 AM, #65
RE: Strong?,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:06 AM, #67
Fine then.,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 09:08 AM, #68
I can't even find the name.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:15 AM, #69
Forid never made it past 29.,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 09:21 AM, #70
re Drawbacks,
Quixotic,
03-Jun-12 12:42 PM, #76
Wouldnt that be people's playstyles fault not villagers...,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 12:48 PM, #77
Forid was tough. I liked that char. Sorry I made you ...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:03 PM, #91
you throw up fallacy references to blind yourself to th...,
laxman,
03-Jun-12 02:06 PM, #79
RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 08:47 AM, #61
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
Daevryn,
03-Jun-12 10:50 AM, #72
No matter how sound your reasoning is...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:02 PM, #90
Don't think that's a fair assessment, with declining pl...,
Vortex Magus,
02-Jun-12 06:00 AM, #42
Beront just got 422 pks. nt,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 10:42 AM, #45
Beront is OP.,
DurNominator,
02-Jun-12 02:55 PM, #50
True, 100 PKs less than Kostyan (517) from 5 years ago.,
Vortex Magus,
02-Jun-12 05:04 PM, #53
I thought about this some more,
Daevryn,
04-Jun-12 10:22 AM #87
This. n/t,
Graatch,
04-Jun-12 11:57 AM, #88
Especially because after you play one...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 01:58 PM, #89
In addition, I think he did reasonably well considering...,
Vortex Magus,
31-May-12 05:09 PM, #12
I haven't 'judged' him you wanker!,
Abernyte,
01-Jun-12 04:23 AM, #14
I really like you the player, Abernyte.,
Oldril,
01-Jun-12 07:31 PM, #28
RE: Standards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetm...,
Malakhi,
31-May-12 09:52 AM, #10
you make me sad,
laxman,
31-May-12 04:16 PM, #11
RE: you make me sad,
Malakhi,
31-May-12 08:31 PM, #13
+1. Dunning-Kruger ftw. nt,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 04:36 AM, #17
Can you explain how this effect fits in here?,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 08:20 AM, #19
I would have assumed that the bottom third was around 1...,
laxman,
01-Jun-12 08:30 AM, #20
I'm actually kinda shocked as well.,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 09:20 AM, #21
arty may be a victim of the dunning-krueger affect,
laxman,
01-Jun-12 10:35 AM, #22
RE: Can you explain how this effect fits in here?,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 03:02 PM, #25
Does not apply in this case.,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 04:22 PM, #26
My originally saying it,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 10:11 PM, #34
When I was commander...,
TMNS,
01-Jun-12 11:08 AM, #23
Followup question to Battle Imms,
DurNominator,
31-May-12 03:15 AM, #5
The answer is No,
laxman,
31-May-12 06:49 AM, #6
It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters,
lasentia,
31-May-12 06:55 AM, #7
RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters,
Daevryn,
31-May-12 08:09 AM, #8
It's just too tough a thing to measure.,
lasentia,
31-May-12 09:23 AM, #9
Aargh! I hate this!,
Abernyte,
01-Jun-12 04:32 AM, #16
I'll say I'm sorry- really just trying to raise discuss...,
lasentia,
01-Jun-12 07:51 AM, #18
RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters,
Iunna,
03-Jun-12 07:59 AM, #59
Can I be clear - I am not complaining about Djetmai!!,
Abernyte,
01-Jun-12 04:27 AM, #15
RE: Followup question to Battle Imms,
Iunna,
03-Jun-12 08:21 AM, #60
RE: Followup question to Battle Imms,
Yean,
03-Jun-12 09:31 PM, #84
You can't use...,
Homard,
30-May-12 09:13 AM, #4
Djetmai's PK Statistics,
Shaapa (Anonymous),
30-May-12 07:28 AM, #2
One factor...,
old_timer,
30-May-12 05:16 AM, #1
RE: One factor...,
Daevryn,
30-May-12 07:31 AM, #3
Tangent:,
Daevryn,
01-Jun-12 02:42 PM, #24
RE: Tangent:,
Oldril,
01-Jun-12 07:28 PM, #27
RE: Tangent:,
Rayihn,
01-Jun-12 07:45 PM, #29
Boo! n/t,
Homard (NOT Scrotar),
01-Jun-12 07:56 PM, #30
That's hysterical. n/t,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 07:57 PM, #31
RE: Tangent:,
Daevryn,
01-Jun-12 09:28 PM, #33
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