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HomardSun 03-Jun-12 11:26 AM
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#45596, "RE: A couple of things."


          

>--The thing about the logic thing is you can do it too...

Oh, absolutely. Anyone can do it. The issue is not with applying logic to a discussion. It's that some posters choose to shut down discussion with "APPEAL TO PITY! YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID" when, in fact, very few arguments made around here are so cut and dried. A given argument may contain elements that are fallacies, but CF isn't 4chan and it isn't some Truther forum. The arguments presented here (likely because they all revolve around a common experience with limited parameters)are generally cleaner than you might find elsewhere. Also, if you're going to appeal to logic, do so, don't just point a finger and cackle. (I'm not saying that you're guilty of this, by the way.)

>--But who decides?

It's pretty obvious, from my POV, that a person who is educated or experienced in a matter can decide whether or not someone's education or knowledge on a subject is sufficient to warrant discussing said matter with them. I set up relatively complex intelligent lighting systems for a living. Frequently people I work with/for have an opinion as to how to set up these systems. If I discern during the first sixty seconds that someone has no basic understanding of the limits of the communication protocol between the console and the fixtures, I'm not going to accept an argument that they might make to "just do it this way." While everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you don't know what the #### you're talking about I'm not obligated to listen to you.

Now, regarding Artificial and his ability to grok aspects of Carrion Fields: You may be right. He may be a savant. He may be a freaking wizard, but the fact remains that he is still saying "X is easy" without demonstrating just how easy X is. This is the antithesis of his belief that claims require evidence and it's pretty annoying to observe.

As for your opinion that Battle is easier than non-Battle, I can't argue with you on that, as depending on playstyle this will or will not hold true for any given player. As far as I can tell from fighting your characters, they mostly play like Battle anyway (not prepping much, being aggressive, covering lots of ground without magic) so to each their own on that one.

And I still think you're mistakenly pigeonholing "people who play Battle." Granted, one Jerrokrar can really sour people on a whole cabal and I know people get fed up with Quas, but in my experience there are, at any given time, three or four extremely well RPed, parity-observing, kick-ass Villagers around. Anyone who can't find them may not be putting as much effort into RP as they think they are.

  

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HOT TopicStandards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetmai b... [View all] , Abernyte, Wed 30-May-12 03:17 AM
Reply No worries. It's a fair question., Djetmai (Anonymous), 02-Jun-12 02:58 PM, #51
Reply Berserker should be Scions., Scrimbul, 01-Jun-12 08:45 PM, #32
Reply +1 I think berserker should be earned, like maran. nt, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:12 PM, #35
Reply Agree. But then again, I've never had a berserker - jus..., Obaznuk, 04-Jun-12 04:28 PM, #94
Reply So..., Hopelessdwarf, 01-Jun-12 10:27 PM, #36
Reply my vision of it, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:54 PM, #38
     Reply This, yes., Scrimbul, 02-Jun-12 01:53 AM, #40
          Reply In truth, are there ever more than 3 deadly berserkers ..., lasentia, 04-Jun-12 05:12 PM, #96
Reply Wrong in every way., Graatch, 01-Jun-12 10:32 PM, #37
Reply You bring up a couple of very good points, lurker, 04-Jun-12 10:02 AM, #86
Reply RE: Berserker should be Scions., Malakhi, 01-Jun-12 11:48 PM, #39
     Reply Yeah, see, that's the problem., Scrimbul, 02-Jun-12 02:16 AM, #41
     Reply RE: Yeah, see, that's the problem., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 07:14 AM, #43
          Reply Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is reall..., robdarken_, 02-Jun-12 10:26 AM, #44
               Reply Time to play a Lohakahn style rager, Rob. nt, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:43 AM, #46
               Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 11:19 AM, #47
                    Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., robdarken_, 02-Jun-12 12:10 PM, #48
                         Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Malakhi, 02-Jun-12 01:22 PM, #49
                         Reply I have a problem with the standards and investment, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #52
                         Reply RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment, Graatch, 02-Jun-12 07:21 PM, #54
                              Reply Yes yes, I know, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:18 PM, #55
                              Reply Like I said, play three and you can talk and we'll all ..., Graatch, 02-Jun-12 10:51 PM, #56
                              Reply This. n/t, Homard, 03-Jun-12 01:37 AM, #57
                                   Reply No, this is stupid., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:00 AM, #62
                                        Reply I don't necessarily think it needs to be 3, but... , Homard, 03-Jun-12 09:01 AM, #64
                                        Reply They're not outrageous claims., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:23 AM, #66
                                        Reply A couple of things., Homard, 03-Jun-12 10:24 AM, #71
                                             Reply RE: A couple of things., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 10:58 AM, #73
                                                  Reply RE: A couple of things., Homard, 03-Jun-12 11:26 AM #74
                                                  Reply It's really very basic dude., Scrimbul, 03-Jun-12 03:21 PM, #80
                                                  Reply Really.., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #81
                                                  Reply Under Scrimbul. nt, Tesline, 03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #82
                                                  Reply I would like to chime in here..., Puhguly, 03-Jun-12 04:43 PM, #83
                                                  Reply But does easier make it overpowered., Tesline, 04-Jun-12 05:18 AM, #85
                                                  Reply You're using certain assumptions to frame your argument..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:10 PM, #93
                                        Reply Really?, Tsunami, 03-Jun-12 12:07 PM, #75
                                             Reply Then you just, Artificial, 03-Jun-12 12:52 PM, #78
                                        Reply Using Xilia as an example lost me :(, TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:05 PM, #92
                                             Reply So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that mad..., robdarken_, 04-Jun-12 04:58 PM, #95
                                                  Reply Lemur v Pincersvirf is squeued heavily towards pincersv..., TMNS, 05-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #97
                                                  Reply RE: So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that..., Malakhi, 05-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #98
                                                       Reply What is with you and non-sequiturs, robdarken_, 05-Jun-12 10:37 PM, #99
                                                       Reply I agree. You did not say any of that., Malakhi, 06-Jun-12 07:24 PM, #102
                                                       Reply If you would, enlighten me., Batman (Anonymous), 06-Jun-12 05:54 PM, #100
                                                            Reply RE: If you would, enlighten me., Malakhi, 06-Jun-12 07:14 PM, #101
                              Reply Experience vs speculation., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 07:35 AM, #58
                              Reply When have you played a character that kicked ass ever?, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 08:53 AM, #63
                                   Reply Strong?, Tesline, 03-Jun-12 08:59 AM, #65
                                        Reply RE: Strong?, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:06 AM, #67
                                             Reply Fine then., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 09:08 AM, #68
                                                  Reply I can't even find the name., robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 09:15 AM, #69
                                                  Reply Forid never made it past 29., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 09:21 AM, #70
                                                       Reply re Drawbacks, Quixotic, 03-Jun-12 12:42 PM, #76
                                                       Reply Wouldnt that be people's playstyles fault not villagers..., Tesline, 03-Jun-12 12:48 PM, #77
                                                  Reply Forid was tough. I liked that char. Sorry I made you ..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:03 PM, #91
                              Reply you throw up fallacy references to blind yourself to th..., laxman, 03-Jun-12 02:06 PM, #79
                              Reply RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment, robdarken_, 03-Jun-12 08:47 AM, #61
                         Reply RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r..., Daevryn, 03-Jun-12 10:50 AM, #72
                         Reply No matter how sound your reasoning is..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 02:02 PM, #90
     Reply Don't think that's a fair assessment, with declining pl..., Vortex Magus, 02-Jun-12 06:00 AM, #42
     Reply Beront just got 422 pks. nt, Artificial, 02-Jun-12 10:42 AM, #45
          Reply Beront is OP., DurNominator, 02-Jun-12 02:55 PM, #50
          Reply True, 100 PKs less than Kostyan (517) from 5 years ago., Vortex Magus, 02-Jun-12 05:04 PM, #53
     Reply I thought about this some more, Daevryn, 04-Jun-12 10:22 AM, #87
          Reply This. n/t, Graatch, 04-Jun-12 11:57 AM, #88
          Reply Especially because after you play one..., TMNS, 04-Jun-12 01:58 PM, #89
Reply In addition, I think he did reasonably well considering..., Vortex Magus, 31-May-12 05:09 PM, #12
Reply I haven't 'judged' him you wanker!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:23 AM, #14
     Reply I really like you the player, Abernyte., Oldril, 01-Jun-12 07:31 PM, #28
Reply RE: Standards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetm..., Malakhi, 31-May-12 09:52 AM, #10
Reply you make me sad, laxman, 31-May-12 04:16 PM, #11
     Reply RE: you make me sad, Malakhi, 31-May-12 08:31 PM, #13
     Reply +1. Dunning-Kruger ftw. nt, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 04:36 AM, #17
          Reply Can you explain how this effect fits in here?, Homard, 01-Jun-12 08:20 AM, #19
               Reply I would have assumed that the bottom third was around 1..., laxman, 01-Jun-12 08:30 AM, #20
               Reply I'm actually kinda shocked as well., Homard, 01-Jun-12 09:20 AM, #21
                    Reply arty may be a victim of the dunning-krueger affect, laxman, 01-Jun-12 10:35 AM, #22
               Reply RE: Can you explain how this effect fits in here?, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 03:02 PM, #25
                    Reply Does not apply in this case., Homard, 01-Jun-12 04:22 PM, #26
                         Reply My originally saying it, Artificial, 01-Jun-12 10:11 PM, #34
     Reply When I was commander..., TMNS, 01-Jun-12 11:08 AM, #23
Reply Followup question to Battle Imms, DurNominator, 31-May-12 03:15 AM, #5
Reply The answer is No, laxman, 31-May-12 06:49 AM, #6
Reply It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, lasentia, 31-May-12 06:55 AM, #7
Reply RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, Daevryn, 31-May-12 08:09 AM, #8
     Reply It's just too tough a thing to measure., lasentia, 31-May-12 09:23 AM, #9
     Reply Aargh! I hate this!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:32 AM, #16
          Reply I'll say I'm sorry- really just trying to raise discuss..., lasentia, 01-Jun-12 07:51 AM, #18
     Reply RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters, Iunna, 03-Jun-12 07:59 AM, #59
Reply Can I be clear - I am not complaining about Djetmai!!, Abernyte, 01-Jun-12 04:27 AM, #15
Reply RE: Followup question to Battle Imms, Iunna, 03-Jun-12 08:21 AM, #60
Reply RE: Followup question to Battle Imms, Yean, 03-Jun-12 09:31 PM, #84
Reply You can't use..., Homard, 30-May-12 09:13 AM, #4
Reply Djetmai's PK Statistics, Shaapa (Anonymous), 30-May-12 07:28 AM, #2
Reply One factor..., old_timer, 30-May-12 05:16 AM, #1
     Reply RE: One factor..., Daevryn, 30-May-12 07:31 AM, #3
          Reply Tangent:, Daevryn, 01-Jun-12 02:42 PM, #24
               Reply RE: Tangent:, Oldril, 01-Jun-12 07:28 PM, #27
                    Reply RE: Tangent:, Rayihn, 01-Jun-12 07:45 PM, #29
                    Reply Boo! n/t, Homard (NOT Scrotar), 01-Jun-12 07:56 PM, #30
                         Reply That's hysterical. n/t, Homard, 01-Jun-12 07:57 PM, #31
                    Reply RE: Tangent:, Daevryn, 01-Jun-12 09:28 PM, #33
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