Homard | Sun 03-Jun-12 11:26 AM |
Member since 10th Apr 2010
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#45596, "RE: A couple of things."
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>--The thing about the logic thing is you can do it too...
Oh, absolutely. Anyone can do it. The issue is not with applying logic to a discussion. It's that some posters choose to shut down discussion with "APPEAL TO PITY! YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID" when, in fact, very few arguments made around here are so cut and dried. A given argument may contain elements that are fallacies, but CF isn't 4chan and it isn't some Truther forum. The arguments presented here (likely because they all revolve around a common experience with limited parameters)are generally cleaner than you might find elsewhere. Also, if you're going to appeal to logic, do so, don't just point a finger and cackle. (I'm not saying that you're guilty of this, by the way.)
>--But who decides?
It's pretty obvious, from my POV, that a person who is educated or experienced in a matter can decide whether or not someone's education or knowledge on a subject is sufficient to warrant discussing said matter with them. I set up relatively complex intelligent lighting systems for a living. Frequently people I work with/for have an opinion as to how to set up these systems. If I discern during the first sixty seconds that someone has no basic understanding of the limits of the communication protocol between the console and the fixtures, I'm not going to accept an argument that they might make to "just do it this way." While everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you don't know what the #### you're talking about I'm not obligated to listen to you.
Now, regarding Artificial and his ability to grok aspects of Carrion Fields: You may be right. He may be a savant. He may be a freaking wizard, but the fact remains that he is still saying "X is easy" without demonstrating just how easy X is. This is the antithesis of his belief that claims require evidence and it's pretty annoying to observe.
As for your opinion that Battle is easier than non-Battle, I can't argue with you on that, as depending on playstyle this will or will not hold true for any given player. As far as I can tell from fighting your characters, they mostly play like Battle anyway (not prepping much, being aggressive, covering lots of ground without magic) so to each their own on that one.
And I still think you're mistakenly pigeonholing "people who play Battle." Granted, one Jerrokrar can really sour people on a whole cabal and I know people get fed up with Quas, but in my experience there are, at any given time, three or four extremely well RPed, parity-observing, kick-ass Villagers around. Anyone who can't find them may not be putting as much effort into RP as they think they are.
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Standards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetmai b...
[View all] , Abernyte, Wed 30-May-12 03:17 AM
No worries. It's a fair question.,
Djetmai (Anonymous),
02-Jun-12 02:58 PM, #51
Berserker should be Scions.,
Scrimbul,
01-Jun-12 08:45 PM, #32
+1 I think berserker should be earned, like maran. nt,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 10:12 PM, #35
Agree. But then again, I've never had a berserker - jus...,
Obaznuk,
04-Jun-12 04:28 PM, #94
So...,
Hopelessdwarf,
01-Jun-12 10:27 PM, #36
my vision of it,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 10:54 PM, #38
This, yes.,
Scrimbul,
02-Jun-12 01:53 AM, #40
In truth, are there ever more than 3 deadly berserkers ...,
lasentia,
04-Jun-12 05:12 PM, #96
Wrong in every way.,
Graatch,
01-Jun-12 10:32 PM, #37
You bring up a couple of very good points,
lurker,
04-Jun-12 10:02 AM, #86
RE: Berserker should be Scions.,
Malakhi,
01-Jun-12 11:48 PM, #39
Yeah, see, that's the problem.,
Scrimbul,
02-Jun-12 02:16 AM, #41
RE: Yeah, see, that's the problem.,
Malakhi,
02-Jun-12 07:14 AM, #43
Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is reall...,
robdarken_,
02-Jun-12 10:26 AM, #44
Time to play a Lohakahn style rager, Rob. nt,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 10:43 AM, #46
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
Malakhi,
02-Jun-12 11:19 AM, #47
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
robdarken_,
02-Jun-12 12:10 PM, #48
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
Malakhi,
02-Jun-12 01:22 PM, #49
I have a problem with the standards and investment,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #52
RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment,
Graatch,
02-Jun-12 07:21 PM, #54
Yes yes, I know,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 10:18 PM, #55
Like I said, play three and you can talk and we'll all ...,
Graatch,
02-Jun-12 10:51 PM, #56
This. n/t,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 01:37 AM, #57
No, this is stupid.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:00 AM, #62
I don't necessarily think it needs to be 3, but... ,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 09:01 AM, #64
They're not outrageous claims.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:23 AM, #66
A couple of things.,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 10:24 AM, #71
RE: A couple of things.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 10:58 AM, #73
RE: A couple of things.,
Homard,
03-Jun-12 11:26 AM #74
It's really very basic dude.,
Scrimbul,
03-Jun-12 03:21 PM, #80
Really..,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #81
Under Scrimbul. nt,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 04:07 PM, #82
I would like to chime in here...,
Puhguly,
03-Jun-12 04:43 PM, #83
But does easier make it overpowered.,
Tesline,
04-Jun-12 05:18 AM, #85
You're using certain assumptions to frame your argument...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:10 PM, #93
Really?,
Tsunami,
03-Jun-12 12:07 PM, #75
Then you just,
Artificial,
03-Jun-12 12:52 PM, #78
Using Xilia as an example lost me :(,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:05 PM, #92
So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that mad...,
robdarken_,
04-Jun-12 04:58 PM, #95
Lemur v Pincersvirf is squeued heavily towards pincersv...,
TMNS,
05-Jun-12 02:21 PM, #97
RE: So did Malakhi comparing Dotran to Lirad as if that...,
Malakhi,
05-Jun-12 03:27 PM, #98
What is with you and non-sequiturs,
robdarken_,
05-Jun-12 10:37 PM, #99
I agree. You did not say any of that.,
Malakhi,
06-Jun-12 07:24 PM, #102
If you would, enlighten me.,
Batman (Anonymous),
06-Jun-12 05:54 PM, #100
RE: If you would, enlighten me.,
Malakhi,
06-Jun-12 07:14 PM, #101
Experience vs speculation.,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 07:35 AM, #58
When have you played a character that kicked ass ever?,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 08:53 AM, #63
Strong?,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 08:59 AM, #65
RE: Strong?,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:06 AM, #67
Fine then.,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 09:08 AM, #68
I can't even find the name.,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 09:15 AM, #69
Forid never made it past 29.,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 09:21 AM, #70
re Drawbacks,
Quixotic,
03-Jun-12 12:42 PM, #76
Wouldnt that be people's playstyles fault not villagers...,
Tesline,
03-Jun-12 12:48 PM, #77
Forid was tough. I liked that char. Sorry I made you ...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:03 PM, #91
you throw up fallacy references to blind yourself to th...,
laxman,
03-Jun-12 02:06 PM, #79
RE: I have a problem with the standards and investment,
robdarken_,
03-Jun-12 08:47 AM, #61
RE: Using pk stats as indicators of combo strength is r...,
Daevryn,
03-Jun-12 10:50 AM, #72
No matter how sound your reasoning is...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 02:02 PM, #90
Don't think that's a fair assessment, with declining pl...,
Vortex Magus,
02-Jun-12 06:00 AM, #42
Beront just got 422 pks. nt,
Artificial,
02-Jun-12 10:42 AM, #45
Beront is OP.,
DurNominator,
02-Jun-12 02:55 PM, #50
True, 100 PKs less than Kostyan (517) from 5 years ago.,
Vortex Magus,
02-Jun-12 05:04 PM, #53
I thought about this some more,
Daevryn,
04-Jun-12 10:22 AM, #87
This. n/t,
Graatch,
04-Jun-12 11:57 AM, #88
Especially because after you play one...,
TMNS,
04-Jun-12 01:58 PM, #89
In addition, I think he did reasonably well considering...,
Vortex Magus,
31-May-12 05:09 PM, #12
I haven't 'judged' him you wanker!,
Abernyte,
01-Jun-12 04:23 AM, #14
I really like you the player, Abernyte.,
Oldril,
01-Jun-12 07:31 PM, #28
RE: Standards for bersekers in the village. Sorry Djetm...,
Malakhi,
31-May-12 09:52 AM, #10
you make me sad,
laxman,
31-May-12 04:16 PM, #11
RE: you make me sad,
Malakhi,
31-May-12 08:31 PM, #13
+1. Dunning-Kruger ftw. nt,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 04:36 AM, #17
Can you explain how this effect fits in here?,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 08:20 AM, #19
I would have assumed that the bottom third was around 1...,
laxman,
01-Jun-12 08:30 AM, #20
I'm actually kinda shocked as well.,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 09:20 AM, #21
arty may be a victim of the dunning-krueger affect,
laxman,
01-Jun-12 10:35 AM, #22
RE: Can you explain how this effect fits in here?,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 03:02 PM, #25
Does not apply in this case.,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 04:22 PM, #26
My originally saying it,
Artificial,
01-Jun-12 10:11 PM, #34
When I was commander...,
TMNS,
01-Jun-12 11:08 AM, #23
Followup question to Battle Imms,
DurNominator,
31-May-12 03:15 AM, #5
The answer is No,
laxman,
31-May-12 06:49 AM, #6
It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters,
lasentia,
31-May-12 06:55 AM, #7
RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters,
Daevryn,
31-May-12 08:09 AM, #8
It's just too tough a thing to measure.,
lasentia,
31-May-12 09:23 AM, #9
Aargh! I hate this!,
Abernyte,
01-Jun-12 04:32 AM, #16
I'll say I'm sorry- really just trying to raise discuss...,
lasentia,
01-Jun-12 07:51 AM, #18
RE: It's sort of silly to think PK skill matters,
Iunna,
03-Jun-12 07:59 AM, #59
Can I be clear - I am not complaining about Djetmai!!,
Abernyte,
01-Jun-12 04:27 AM, #15
RE: Followup question to Battle Imms,
Iunna,
03-Jun-12 08:21 AM, #60
RE: Followup question to Battle Imms,
Yean,
03-Jun-12 09:31 PM, #84
You can't use...,
Homard,
30-May-12 09:13 AM, #4
Djetmai's PK Statistics,
Shaapa (Anonymous),
30-May-12 07:28 AM, #2
One factor...,
old_timer,
30-May-12 05:16 AM, #1
RE: One factor...,
Daevryn,
30-May-12 07:31 AM, #3
Tangent:,
Daevryn,
01-Jun-12 02:42 PM, #24
RE: Tangent:,
Oldril,
01-Jun-12 07:28 PM, #27
RE: Tangent:,
Rayihn,
01-Jun-12 07:45 PM, #29
Boo! n/t,
Homard (NOT Scrotar),
01-Jun-12 07:56 PM, #30
That's hysterical. n/t,
Homard,
01-Jun-12 07:57 PM, #31
RE: Tangent:,
Daevryn,
01-Jun-12 09:28 PM, #33
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