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LyristeonSun 08-Aug-10 07:05 AM
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#34436, "RE: So let's talk about the Inferno"


          

The standards were actually quite different.

I remember going to the Inferno and it was an OOC fest.

Here was the group I was with.

FIRST PARTY TO SLAY THE ARCH-DEVIL DISPATER

Graatch Mahaira Kantherion
Amlaruil Syrinaa Challen
Angelica Tsemakh

My character was Kantherion.

The rules, as we understood it back then were:

1. Don't talk out loud. (If we "say" it, the "devils" will surely kill us.)
2. Talking in the gtell mode was safe. ("Thinking" something in that fashion is no different than doing it as someone not in hell.)

We found safe places to drop link. We set up our times to return. We did everything we could going over our notes.

We did say something out loud once and sure enough, we had to go through an epic rping experience which we all enjoyed thoroughly. So we knew we were being watched.

This all happened over a decade ago. I wouldn't even think of doing a hell trip the same way now.

During the '90s (I started playing in '94) I was part of one of those infamous crews. Mind you, I was taught by one of those ring leaders on how to play. We eventually went our own ways in regards to playing. He hasn't played since the late 90s and I eventually immed.

Part of the reason I immed was because part of me still thought that something wanky must be going on in certain situations. And I wanted to know. I cleaned up my playing act and applied to imm with Kantherion. Obviously, I was turned down. I then went through many more characters over the course of a few years and applied with Blachmianan. I got to see behind the green curtain and this is what I learned:

Not all of the imms agree on everything all of the time. There is no kool-aid. They discuss things as a group when there is a difference of opinion until a resolution is made. What I thought was wanky in why things are the way they are, was completely explained in threads on the immortal forums (mind you, the higher the level you are, the more there is to read). Unfortunately, after that meltdown earlier this year, most of those threads are gone. I have posted many of the humorous ones for you all to read in the past.

Now, here's the dilemma which I hinted at in an earlier post in this thread "It really is a Catch-22":

A player with ties to an ooc ring becomes an imm.
He eventually gets to a high enough level to read the threads about balance and game play.
He tells the player base that all is cool, but he really can't go into detail.
Some of the elite know-it-all players say something must be wrong and call BS.
They are wrong.
Some other players believe elite know-it-all.
No matter how much is said, they don't believe the imm.
The imm is right, but couldn't prove it to them anyway, so what's the point of trying?
Imm still tries, and is still told something must be wanky.
BLEH.

And even though these elite know-it-all players KNOW that we MUST be cheating somehow, they continue to play the game. Why? Because we enforce the rules to keep CF the way it is.



  

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HOT Locked TopicSo let's talk about the Inferno [View all] , Torak, Sun 08-Aug-10 10:00 PM
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Tesline, 08-Aug-10 01:28 PM, #92
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Isildur, 06-Aug-10 11:07 PM, #82
Reply You don't get it..., Torak, 06-Aug-10 11:22 PM, #83
     Reply Your argument would hold more weight..., TMNS, 07-Aug-10 02:28 AM, #84
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Isildur, 07-Aug-10 04:50 AM, #86
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Torak, 07-Aug-10 11:22 AM, #87
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Eskelian, 09-Aug-10 10:20 PM, #95
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:15 PM, #96
Reply I've been to the Inferno with the Ravon and Igbah group..., Gaspar, 06-Aug-10 08:12 PM, #79
Reply I beg to differ, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #97
Reply Explorefags, Scrimbul, 06-Aug-10 12:25 PM, #65
Reply We could not be more different, Torak, 06-Aug-10 12:50 PM, #67
     Reply I already don't play., Scrimbul, 06-Aug-10 01:20 PM, #68
          Reply Nope, Torak, 06-Aug-10 01:32 PM, #69
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Rayihn, 05-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #62
Reply Catch 22, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 02:02 PM, #2
Reply RE: Catch 22, Isildur, 05-Aug-10 03:03 PM, #5
Reply RE: Catch 22, ORB, 05-Aug-10 03:22 PM, #9
Reply It's by far the coolest area in the game next to the si..., Amberion, 05-Aug-10 05:27 PM, #26
Reply RE: Catch 22, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:18 PM, #98
Reply I haven't been around very much lately, Mekantos, 05-Aug-10 02:14 PM, #3
Reply Just one thing..., TMNS, 05-Aug-10 03:17 PM, #6
Reply RE: Just one thing..., ORB, 05-Aug-10 03:26 PM, #10
Reply One big difference here, Torak, 05-Aug-10 03:35 PM, #11
Reply RE: Just one thing..., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 04:09 PM, #14
Reply But then, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:20 PM, #99
Reply Hrmm, A2, 05-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #4
Reply Take the damn area out of the game then if you dont wan..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 03:19 PM, #7
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 03:20 PM, #8
     Reply I love you - awesome post~, Torak, 05-Aug-10 03:37 PM, #12
     Reply Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:06 PM, #13
     Reply Honest question:, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 04:14 PM, #15
     Reply Does it really matter?, Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:17 PM, #16
          Reply I never get a chance to roll with my friends., TMNS, 05-Aug-10 04:26 PM, #18
          Reply But thats the thing. There was no mass pking, no domina..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:40 PM, #22
          Reply Thoughts of a newbie, Tohno, 05-Aug-10 04:31 PM, #20
          Reply If I could point a huge red arrow at this, I would~, Torak, 05-Aug-10 04:34 PM, #21
          Reply We all learn from someone., thendrell, 05-Aug-10 06:57 PM, #39
          Reply That's how I'm hoping it is, Tohno, 05-Aug-10 08:11 PM, #50
          Reply RE: Thoughts of a newbie, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 11:04 PM, #54
               Reply RE: Thoughts of a newbie, Tohno, 06-Aug-10 12:38 AM, #57
          Reply Hell (pardon the pun) yes it does!, Pro, 05-Aug-10 04:49 PM, #23
     Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Aarn, 05-Aug-10 04:25 PM, #17
     Reply In all honesty, Torak, 05-Aug-10 04:35 PM, #19
          Reply The problem, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 05:20 PM, #25
               Reply The other end of this..., Pro, 05-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #28
                    Reply RE: The other end of this..., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #32
                         Reply He said they were going for Satan., Pro, 05-Aug-10 06:48 PM, #37
     Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #93
          Reply FWIW, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:22 PM, #33
          Reply RE: FWIW, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:31 PM, #34
               Reply RE: FWIW, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #36
               Reply It really is a Catch-22, Lyristeon, 07-Aug-10 07:33 PM, #88
               Reply Long rambling response, thendrell, 05-Aug-10 07:18 PM, #40
                    Reply RE: Long rambling response, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 07:48 PM, #44
          Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Aarn, 05-Aug-10 07:27 PM, #43
     Reply There is a difference between OOC coordination..., Zulghinlour, 05-Aug-10 05:40 PM, #27
     Reply So if i had sent a mass note out, it would all have bee..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 05:59 PM, #29
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #30
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #41
          Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #42
          Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #49
               Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, larsihalv, 06-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #75
          Reply The group in question, Zulghinlour, 05-Aug-10 07:51 PM, #45
               Reply For real., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 07:55 PM, #46
               Reply Ironically, Torak, 05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #48
                    Reply Its one of the first I got, Gaplemo, 06-Aug-10 01:33 AM, #58
               Reply RE: The group in question, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #47
     Reply Honestly, Aarn:, Malakhi, 08-Aug-10 03:08 AM, #89
     Reply RE: Honestly, Aarn:, Aarn, 12-Aug-10 09:36 AM, #102
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Lyristeon, 08-Aug-10 07:05 AM #90
     Reply Yea it sucks, Knac, 08-Aug-10 12:06 PM, #91
     Reply Heh, didn't know you were Kantherion.., Marcus_, 09-Aug-10 09:56 AM, #94
     Reply You could argue otherwise, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:21 PM, #100
Reply Maybe a controversial opinion., Eskelian, 06-Aug-10 09:06 AM, #59
Reply Very good post and I agree (nt), Nightgaunt_, 06-Aug-10 09:28 AM, #60
Reply This. nt, Splntrd, 06-Aug-10 09:58 AM, #61
Reply That's the root of the issue really, bravo, Torak, 06-Aug-10 11:55 AM, #63
Reply RE: Maybe a controversial opinion., Verdelyeb, 06-Aug-10 12:12 PM, #64
Reply Single best post ever., Artificial, 06-Aug-10 12:30 PM, #66
Reply Well put -nt-, Mekantos, 06-Aug-10 01:33 PM, #70
Reply Agreed, bphan, 06-Aug-10 02:03 PM, #71
Reply RE: Maybe a controversial opinion., Elerosse, 06-Aug-10 03:58 PM, #72
Reply A very good post, I endorse it to 100% N/T, Amberion, 06-Aug-10 05:37 PM, #73
Reply I agree., sorlag (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 06:01 PM, #74
Reply Grand post. ~~~~~~, Batman (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 07:03 PM, #76
Reply If you put it this way, Gaplemo, 06-Aug-10 07:49 PM, #77
Reply forget it, CharlieWaffles, 06-Aug-10 08:59 PM, #78
Reply Devil's Advocate, sorlag (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 10:43 PM, #81
Reply Well said. I wish i read this earlier and copy and past..., Gaspar, 06-Aug-10 09:44 PM, #80
Reply Not controversial in the least, IMHO., TMNS, 07-Aug-10 02:36 AM, #85
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 11:57 PM, #55
Reply Actually I'm happy with these answers, Torak, 06-Aug-10 12:43 AM, #56
Reply Simple question., wareagle, 05-Aug-10 10:24 PM, #52
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:11 PM, #31
Reply That's it?, Torak, 05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #35
     Reply You're acting like he owes you something., Guilo, 05-Aug-10 06:51 PM, #38
          Reply Whoa cowboy, calm down., Torak, 05-Aug-10 08:14 PM, #51
          Reply RE: Whoa cowboy, calm down., Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 10:37 PM, #53
          Reply ditto, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:29 PM, #101
Reply Question for the IMMs regarding future Hell explorer wa..., Humbert, 05-Aug-10 04:59 PM, #24
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 01:23 PM, #1
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