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ScrimbulFri 06-Aug-10 12:22 PM
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#34390, "Explorefags"
Edited on Fri 06-Aug-10 12:25 PM

  

          

Much as I enjoy the company of some of the PvErs some of the time, I think PvE players are wholly blind to the tedium and boredom that area exploration is.

Whether it's for wands or other things, improving the difficulty scaling of PvE is not the thing that will save this game.

Making Hell playable for a group of 3 would be good news, in that I might actually be willing to learn a thing or two/help with exploration as long as there was a guaranteed tangible rewards (that a limited item some other explorefag might have gotten first already and is now illusionary is not a tangible reward, and the knowledge that the item potentially exists there is not a substitute if it's unreasonable to obtain solo without about 20k worth of preps)

But there's a large chunk of the playerbase that just doesn't give a #### about whether Hell takes 7 hours to get through, or that ST requires a freaking PHD degree in philosophy and a hobby for crossword puzzles and optical illusion books. Or worse, these things turn them off of the game further when the explorefags come out of the areas with items that make them unkillable (cheating to get them or not is irrelevant) and increasing the amount of people in a gang to kill the explorefags for them only makes them even harder to obtain for themselves while avoiding the exploration that is either boring or perceived to be impossible.

Making explore areas reasonable is not something that will save this game, unless it's part of scaling back the timesink dramatically and the pre-conceived notion that if you're not sitting down to roll a character and invest at least 300 hours into it, you don't deserve a reward, attention or to even exist. It's got to stop.

Game design, as a general rule, is an agreement with the player that a given task is not only possible, but reasonably challenging. You can tack on 'and not all-consuming in terms of time and effort' on the end of that as the CF playerbase ages. The standards of play in this game just don't work anymore and this giant ass thread is a big honking warning sign that this is the case as well as shining light on the bad parts of both the players and immstaff of the game as a whole.

CF is pretty crappy at advertising "If this guy can do it, it's possible you can too." because it's usually not true for any number of reasons regardless of what you pick out in the realms of RP, PK or exploration.

  

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HOT Locked TopicSo let's talk about the Inferno [View all] , Torak, Sun 08-Aug-10 10:00 PM
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Tesline, 08-Aug-10 01:28 PM, #92
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Isildur, 06-Aug-10 11:07 PM, #82
Reply You don't get it..., Torak, 06-Aug-10 11:22 PM, #83
     Reply Your argument would hold more weight..., TMNS, 07-Aug-10 02:28 AM, #84
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Isildur, 07-Aug-10 04:50 AM, #86
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Torak, 07-Aug-10 11:22 AM, #87
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Eskelian, 09-Aug-10 10:20 PM, #95
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:15 PM, #96
Reply I've been to the Inferno with the Ravon and Igbah group..., Gaspar, 06-Aug-10 08:12 PM, #79
Reply I beg to differ, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #97
Reply Explorefags, Scrimbul, 06-Aug-10 12:25 PM #65
Reply We could not be more different, Torak, 06-Aug-10 12:50 PM, #67
     Reply I already don't play., Scrimbul, 06-Aug-10 01:20 PM, #68
          Reply Nope, Torak, 06-Aug-10 01:32 PM, #69
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Rayihn, 05-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #62
Reply Catch 22, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 02:02 PM, #2
Reply RE: Catch 22, Isildur, 05-Aug-10 03:03 PM, #5
Reply RE: Catch 22, ORB, 05-Aug-10 03:22 PM, #9
Reply It's by far the coolest area in the game next to the si..., Amberion, 05-Aug-10 05:27 PM, #26
Reply RE: Catch 22, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:18 PM, #98
Reply I haven't been around very much lately, Mekantos, 05-Aug-10 02:14 PM, #3
Reply Just one thing..., TMNS, 05-Aug-10 03:17 PM, #6
Reply RE: Just one thing..., ORB, 05-Aug-10 03:26 PM, #10
Reply One big difference here, Torak, 05-Aug-10 03:35 PM, #11
Reply RE: Just one thing..., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 04:09 PM, #14
Reply But then, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:20 PM, #99
Reply Hrmm, A2, 05-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #4
Reply Take the damn area out of the game then if you dont wan..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 03:19 PM, #7
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 03:20 PM, #8
     Reply I love you - awesome post~, Torak, 05-Aug-10 03:37 PM, #12
     Reply Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:06 PM, #13
     Reply Honest question:, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 04:14 PM, #15
     Reply Does it really matter?, Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:17 PM, #16
          Reply I never get a chance to roll with my friends., TMNS, 05-Aug-10 04:26 PM, #18
          Reply But thats the thing. There was no mass pking, no domina..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:40 PM, #22
          Reply Thoughts of a newbie, Tohno, 05-Aug-10 04:31 PM, #20
          Reply If I could point a huge red arrow at this, I would~, Torak, 05-Aug-10 04:34 PM, #21
          Reply We all learn from someone., thendrell, 05-Aug-10 06:57 PM, #39
          Reply That's how I'm hoping it is, Tohno, 05-Aug-10 08:11 PM, #50
          Reply RE: Thoughts of a newbie, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 11:04 PM, #54
               Reply RE: Thoughts of a newbie, Tohno, 06-Aug-10 12:38 AM, #57
          Reply Hell (pardon the pun) yes it does!, Pro, 05-Aug-10 04:49 PM, #23
     Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Aarn, 05-Aug-10 04:25 PM, #17
     Reply In all honesty, Torak, 05-Aug-10 04:35 PM, #19
          Reply The problem, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 05:20 PM, #25
               Reply The other end of this..., Pro, 05-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #28
                    Reply RE: The other end of this..., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #32
                         Reply He said they were going for Satan., Pro, 05-Aug-10 06:48 PM, #37
     Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #93
          Reply FWIW, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:22 PM, #33
          Reply RE: FWIW, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:31 PM, #34
               Reply RE: FWIW, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #36
               Reply It really is a Catch-22, Lyristeon, 07-Aug-10 07:33 PM, #88
               Reply Long rambling response, thendrell, 05-Aug-10 07:18 PM, #40
                    Reply RE: Long rambling response, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 07:48 PM, #44
          Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Aarn, 05-Aug-10 07:27 PM, #43
     Reply There is a difference between OOC coordination..., Zulghinlour, 05-Aug-10 05:40 PM, #27
     Reply So if i had sent a mass note out, it would all have bee..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 05:59 PM, #29
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #30
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #41
          Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #42
          Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #49
               Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, larsihalv, 06-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #75
          Reply The group in question, Zulghinlour, 05-Aug-10 07:51 PM, #45
               Reply For real., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 07:55 PM, #46
               Reply Ironically, Torak, 05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #48
                    Reply Its one of the first I got, Gaplemo, 06-Aug-10 01:33 AM, #58
               Reply RE: The group in question, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #47
     Reply Honestly, Aarn:, Malakhi, 08-Aug-10 03:08 AM, #89
     Reply RE: Honestly, Aarn:, Aarn, 12-Aug-10 09:36 AM, #102
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Lyristeon, 08-Aug-10 07:05 AM, #90
     Reply Yea it sucks, Knac, 08-Aug-10 12:06 PM, #91
     Reply Heh, didn't know you were Kantherion.., Marcus_, 09-Aug-10 09:56 AM, #94
     Reply You could argue otherwise, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:21 PM, #100
Reply Maybe a controversial opinion., Eskelian, 06-Aug-10 09:06 AM, #59
Reply Very good post and I agree (nt), Nightgaunt_, 06-Aug-10 09:28 AM, #60
Reply This. nt, Splntrd, 06-Aug-10 09:58 AM, #61
Reply That's the root of the issue really, bravo, Torak, 06-Aug-10 11:55 AM, #63
Reply RE: Maybe a controversial opinion., Verdelyeb, 06-Aug-10 12:12 PM, #64
Reply Single best post ever., Artificial, 06-Aug-10 12:30 PM, #66
Reply Well put -nt-, Mekantos, 06-Aug-10 01:33 PM, #70
Reply Agreed, bphan, 06-Aug-10 02:03 PM, #71
Reply RE: Maybe a controversial opinion., Elerosse, 06-Aug-10 03:58 PM, #72
Reply A very good post, I endorse it to 100% N/T, Amberion, 06-Aug-10 05:37 PM, #73
Reply I agree., sorlag (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 06:01 PM, #74
Reply Grand post. ~~~~~~, Batman (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 07:03 PM, #76
Reply If you put it this way, Gaplemo, 06-Aug-10 07:49 PM, #77
Reply forget it, CharlieWaffles, 06-Aug-10 08:59 PM, #78
Reply Devil's Advocate, sorlag (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 10:43 PM, #81
Reply Well said. I wish i read this earlier and copy and past..., Gaspar, 06-Aug-10 09:44 PM, #80
Reply Not controversial in the least, IMHO., TMNS, 07-Aug-10 02:36 AM, #85
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 11:57 PM, #55
Reply Actually I'm happy with these answers, Torak, 06-Aug-10 12:43 AM, #56
Reply Simple question., wareagle, 05-Aug-10 10:24 PM, #52
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:11 PM, #31
Reply That's it?, Torak, 05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #35
     Reply You're acting like he owes you something., Guilo, 05-Aug-10 06:51 PM, #38
          Reply Whoa cowboy, calm down., Torak, 05-Aug-10 08:14 PM, #51
          Reply RE: Whoa cowboy, calm down., Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 10:37 PM, #53
          Reply ditto, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:29 PM, #101
Reply Question for the IMMs regarding future Hell explorer wa..., Humbert, 05-Aug-10 04:59 PM, #24
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 01:23 PM, #1
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