Scrimbul | Fri 06-Aug-10 12:22 PM |
Member since 22nd Apr 2003
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#34390, "Explorefags"
Edited on Fri 06-Aug-10 12:25 PM
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Much as I enjoy the company of some of the PvErs some of the time, I think PvE players are wholly blind to the tedium and boredom that area exploration is.
Whether it's for wands or other things, improving the difficulty scaling of PvE is not the thing that will save this game.
Making Hell playable for a group of 3 would be good news, in that I might actually be willing to learn a thing or two/help with exploration as long as there was a guaranteed tangible rewards (that a limited item some other explorefag might have gotten first already and is now illusionary is not a tangible reward, and the knowledge that the item potentially exists there is not a substitute if it's unreasonable to obtain solo without about 20k worth of preps)
But there's a large chunk of the playerbase that just doesn't give a #### about whether Hell takes 7 hours to get through, or that ST requires a freaking PHD degree in philosophy and a hobby for crossword puzzles and optical illusion books. Or worse, these things turn them off of the game further when the explorefags come out of the areas with items that make them unkillable (cheating to get them or not is irrelevant) and increasing the amount of people in a gang to kill the explorefags for them only makes them even harder to obtain for themselves while avoiding the exploration that is either boring or perceived to be impossible.
Making explore areas reasonable is not something that will save this game, unless it's part of scaling back the timesink dramatically and the pre-conceived notion that if you're not sitting down to roll a character and invest at least 300 hours into it, you don't deserve a reward, attention or to even exist. It's got to stop.
Game design, as a general rule, is an agreement with the player that a given task is not only possible, but reasonably challenging. You can tack on 'and not all-consuming in terms of time and effort' on the end of that as the CF playerbase ages. The standards of play in this game just don't work anymore and this giant ass thread is a big honking warning sign that this is the case as well as shining light on the bad parts of both the players and immstaff of the game as a whole.
CF is pretty crappy at advertising "If this guy can do it, it's possible you can too." because it's usually not true for any number of reasons regardless of what you pick out in the realms of RP, PK or exploration.
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So let's talk about the Inferno
[View all] , Torak, Sun 08-Aug-10 10:00 PM
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Tesline,
08-Aug-10 01:28 PM, #92
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Isildur,
06-Aug-10 11:07 PM, #82
You don't get it...,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 11:22 PM, #83
Your argument would hold more weight...,
TMNS,
07-Aug-10 02:28 AM, #84
RE: You don't get it...,
Isildur,
07-Aug-10 04:50 AM, #86
RE: You don't get it...,
Torak,
07-Aug-10 11:22 AM, #87
RE: You don't get it...,
Eskelian,
09-Aug-10 10:20 PM, #95
RE: You don't get it...,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:15 PM, #96
I've been to the Inferno with the Ravon and Igbah group...,
Gaspar,
06-Aug-10 08:12 PM, #79
I beg to differ,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #97
Explorefags,
Scrimbul,
06-Aug-10 12:25 PM #65
We could not be more different,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 12:50 PM, #67
I already don't play.,
Scrimbul,
06-Aug-10 01:20 PM, #68
Nope,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 01:32 PM, #69
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Rayihn,
05-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #62
Catch 22,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 02:02 PM, #2
RE: Catch 22,
Isildur,
05-Aug-10 03:03 PM, #5
RE: Catch 22,
ORB,
05-Aug-10 03:22 PM, #9
It's by far the coolest area in the game next to the si...,
Amberion,
05-Aug-10 05:27 PM, #26
RE: Catch 22,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:18 PM, #98
I haven't been around very much lately,
Mekantos,
05-Aug-10 02:14 PM, #3
Just one thing...,
TMNS,
05-Aug-10 03:17 PM, #6
RE: Just one thing...,
ORB,
05-Aug-10 03:26 PM, #10
One big difference here,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 03:35 PM, #11
RE: Just one thing...,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 04:09 PM, #14
But then,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:20 PM, #99
Hrmm,
A2,
05-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #4
Take the damn area out of the game then if you dont wan...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 03:19 PM, #7
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 03:20 PM, #8
I love you - awesome post~,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 03:37 PM, #12
Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:06 PM, #13
Honest question:,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 04:14 PM, #15
Does it really matter?,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:17 PM, #16
I never get a chance to roll with my friends.,
TMNS,
05-Aug-10 04:26 PM, #18
But thats the thing. There was no mass pking, no domina...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:40 PM, #22
Thoughts of a newbie,
Tohno,
05-Aug-10 04:31 PM, #20
If I could point a huge red arrow at this, I would~,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 04:34 PM, #21
We all learn from someone.,
thendrell,
05-Aug-10 06:57 PM, #39
That's how I'm hoping it is,
Tohno,
05-Aug-10 08:11 PM, #50
RE: Thoughts of a newbie,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 11:04 PM, #54
RE: Thoughts of a newbie,
Tohno,
06-Aug-10 12:38 AM, #57
Hell (pardon the pun) yes it does!,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 04:49 PM, #23
RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 04:25 PM, #17
In all honesty,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 04:35 PM, #19
The problem,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 05:20 PM, #25
The other end of this...,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #28
RE: The other end of this...,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #32
He said they were going for Satan.,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 06:48 PM, #37
RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #93
FWIW,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:22 PM, #33
RE: FWIW,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:31 PM, #34
RE: FWIW,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #36
It really is a Catch-22,
Lyristeon,
07-Aug-10 07:33 PM, #88
Long rambling response,
thendrell,
05-Aug-10 07:18 PM, #40
RE: Long rambling response,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 07:48 PM, #44
RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 07:27 PM, #43
There is a difference between OOC coordination...,
Zulghinlour,
05-Aug-10 05:40 PM, #27
So if i had sent a mass note out, it would all have bee...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 05:59 PM, #29
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #30
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #41
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #42
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #49
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
larsihalv,
06-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #75
The group in question,
Zulghinlour,
05-Aug-10 07:51 PM, #45
For real.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 07:55 PM, #46
Ironically,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #48
Its one of the first I got,
Gaplemo,
06-Aug-10 01:33 AM, #58
RE: The group in question,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #47
Honestly, Aarn:,
Malakhi,
08-Aug-10 03:08 AM, #89
RE: Honestly, Aarn:,
Aarn,
12-Aug-10 09:36 AM, #102
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Lyristeon,
08-Aug-10 07:05 AM, #90
Yea it sucks,
Knac,
08-Aug-10 12:06 PM, #91
Heh, didn't know you were Kantherion..,
Marcus_,
09-Aug-10 09:56 AM, #94
You could argue otherwise,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:21 PM, #100
Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Eskelian,
06-Aug-10 09:06 AM, #59
Very good post and I agree (nt),
Nightgaunt_,
06-Aug-10 09:28 AM, #60
This. nt,
Splntrd,
06-Aug-10 09:58 AM, #61
That's the root of the issue really, bravo,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 11:55 AM, #63
RE: Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Verdelyeb,
06-Aug-10 12:12 PM, #64
Single best post ever.,
Artificial,
06-Aug-10 12:30 PM, #66
Well put -nt-,
Mekantos,
06-Aug-10 01:33 PM, #70
Agreed,
bphan,
06-Aug-10 02:03 PM, #71
RE: Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Elerosse,
06-Aug-10 03:58 PM, #72
A very good post, I endorse it to 100% N/T,
Amberion,
06-Aug-10 05:37 PM, #73
I agree.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 06:01 PM, #74
Grand post. ~~~~~~,
Batman (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 07:03 PM, #76
If you put it this way,
Gaplemo,
06-Aug-10 07:49 PM, #77
forget it,
CharlieWaffles,
06-Aug-10 08:59 PM, #78
Devil's Advocate,
sorlag (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 10:43 PM, #81
Well said. I wish i read this earlier and copy and past...,
Gaspar,
06-Aug-10 09:44 PM, #80
Not controversial in the least, IMHO.,
TMNS,
07-Aug-10 02:36 AM, #85
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 11:57 PM, #55
Actually I'm happy with these answers,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 12:43 AM, #56
Simple question.,
wareagle,
05-Aug-10 10:24 PM, #52
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:11 PM, #31
That's it?,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #35
You're acting like he owes you something.,
Guilo,
05-Aug-10 06:51 PM, #38
Whoa cowboy, calm down.,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 08:14 PM, #51
RE: Whoa cowboy, calm down.,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 10:37 PM, #53
ditto,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:29 PM, #101
Question for the IMMs regarding future Hell explorer wa...,
Humbert,
05-Aug-10 04:59 PM, #24
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 01:23 PM, #1
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