Torak | Fri 06-Aug-10 12:50 PM |
Member since 15th Feb 2007
1216 posts
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#34392, "We could not be more different"
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The crux of your argument, which has been before, is that you don't like the investment required for some things. Making Hell playable by a group of 3 would be absolutely devastating to the work Sacer put into a true challenge. If you want something that requires 2-3 people without preps in short time, go to every other area in the game.
You can guess that people don't care about Hell but I absolutely assure you that you are wrong in this. The majority of people I know find it the true fun at hero range considering the continual grind of pvp that's unbalanced and gang-heavy with raiding/retrievals that are enjoyable being few and far between. I'm constantly bugged, in game and out, to go to places that people have never been to so they can see and experience it. Several trips through the Inferno where we did absolutely nothing beyond walk a few steps and die and people say it was the most awesome experience.
Having "Explorefags", as you so eloquently state, come out with gear...how do you think the mindless pkers get that gear? How do you think it gets circulated to your lowbie bash-bash-bash chars? It's the same argument of people complaining about Heralds - if you're good enough at killing then you'll get them. Every major character who has been a pk powerhouse hasn't had problems killing the countless explore bards, archon conjurers and everyone else whose focus isn't killing. You're basically advocating the removal of area explore gear because you don't have "the amount of people in a gang to kill the explorefags".
The game will always have an investment required, if you're so interested in it not, go play an arcade game or the OtherMud that starts you at hero. People that put work into *gasp* roleplaying on a roleplaying MUD and invest time usually see benefits because they're not #36 cloud giant ranger who spams bearcharge on villagers char that you're so inclined to make over and over and over. Or you're lovable insta-hero shifters.
Game design is something you clearly don't understand because it seems you want GodMode without the work. People like the challenge of the impossible and people strive to achieve what hasn't been done before. I could keep going but your whole response is just spiteful, bitchy, and a general complaint that it's not what *you* want when clearly your grade of effort and output is just crap for your high expectations.
If you hate it so much, don't play.
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So let's talk about the Inferno
[View all] , Torak, Sun 08-Aug-10 10:00 PM
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Tesline,
08-Aug-10 01:28 PM, #92
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Isildur,
06-Aug-10 11:07 PM, #82
You don't get it...,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 11:22 PM, #83
Your argument would hold more weight...,
TMNS,
07-Aug-10 02:28 AM, #84
RE: You don't get it...,
Isildur,
07-Aug-10 04:50 AM, #86
RE: You don't get it...,
Torak,
07-Aug-10 11:22 AM, #87
RE: You don't get it...,
Eskelian,
09-Aug-10 10:20 PM, #95
RE: You don't get it...,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:15 PM, #96
I've been to the Inferno with the Ravon and Igbah group...,
Gaspar,
06-Aug-10 08:12 PM, #79
I beg to differ,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #97
Explorefags,
Scrimbul,
06-Aug-10 12:25 PM, #65
We could not be more different,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 12:50 PM #67
I already don't play.,
Scrimbul,
06-Aug-10 01:20 PM, #68
Nope,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 01:32 PM, #69
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Rayihn,
05-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #62
Catch 22,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 02:02 PM, #2
RE: Catch 22,
Isildur,
05-Aug-10 03:03 PM, #5
RE: Catch 22,
ORB,
05-Aug-10 03:22 PM, #9
It's by far the coolest area in the game next to the si...,
Amberion,
05-Aug-10 05:27 PM, #26
RE: Catch 22,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:18 PM, #98
I haven't been around very much lately,
Mekantos,
05-Aug-10 02:14 PM, #3
Just one thing...,
TMNS,
05-Aug-10 03:17 PM, #6
RE: Just one thing...,
ORB,
05-Aug-10 03:26 PM, #10
One big difference here,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 03:35 PM, #11
RE: Just one thing...,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 04:09 PM, #14
But then,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:20 PM, #99
Hrmm,
A2,
05-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #4
Take the damn area out of the game then if you dont wan...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 03:19 PM, #7
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 03:20 PM, #8
I love you - awesome post~,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 03:37 PM, #12
Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:06 PM, #13
Honest question:,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 04:14 PM, #15
Does it really matter?,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:17 PM, #16
I never get a chance to roll with my friends.,
TMNS,
05-Aug-10 04:26 PM, #18
But thats the thing. There was no mass pking, no domina...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:40 PM, #22
Thoughts of a newbie,
Tohno,
05-Aug-10 04:31 PM, #20
If I could point a huge red arrow at this, I would~,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 04:34 PM, #21
We all learn from someone.,
thendrell,
05-Aug-10 06:57 PM, #39
That's how I'm hoping it is,
Tohno,
05-Aug-10 08:11 PM, #50
RE: Thoughts of a newbie,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 11:04 PM, #54
RE: Thoughts of a newbie,
Tohno,
06-Aug-10 12:38 AM, #57
Hell (pardon the pun) yes it does!,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 04:49 PM, #23
RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 04:25 PM, #17
In all honesty,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 04:35 PM, #19
The problem,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 05:20 PM, #25
The other end of this...,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #28
RE: The other end of this...,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #32
He said they were going for Satan.,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 06:48 PM, #37
RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #93
FWIW,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:22 PM, #33
RE: FWIW,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:31 PM, #34
RE: FWIW,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #36
It really is a Catch-22,
Lyristeon,
07-Aug-10 07:33 PM, #88
Long rambling response,
thendrell,
05-Aug-10 07:18 PM, #40
RE: Long rambling response,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 07:48 PM, #44
RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 07:27 PM, #43
There is a difference between OOC coordination...,
Zulghinlour,
05-Aug-10 05:40 PM, #27
So if i had sent a mass note out, it would all have bee...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 05:59 PM, #29
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #30
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #41
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #42
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #49
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
larsihalv,
06-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #75
The group in question,
Zulghinlour,
05-Aug-10 07:51 PM, #45
For real.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 07:55 PM, #46
Ironically,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #48
Its one of the first I got,
Gaplemo,
06-Aug-10 01:33 AM, #58
RE: The group in question,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #47
Honestly, Aarn:,
Malakhi,
08-Aug-10 03:08 AM, #89
RE: Honestly, Aarn:,
Aarn,
12-Aug-10 09:36 AM, #102
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Lyristeon,
08-Aug-10 07:05 AM, #90
Yea it sucks,
Knac,
08-Aug-10 12:06 PM, #91
Heh, didn't know you were Kantherion..,
Marcus_,
09-Aug-10 09:56 AM, #94
You could argue otherwise,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:21 PM, #100
Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Eskelian,
06-Aug-10 09:06 AM, #59
Very good post and I agree (nt),
Nightgaunt_,
06-Aug-10 09:28 AM, #60
This. nt,
Splntrd,
06-Aug-10 09:58 AM, #61
That's the root of the issue really, bravo,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 11:55 AM, #63
RE: Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Verdelyeb,
06-Aug-10 12:12 PM, #64
Single best post ever.,
Artificial,
06-Aug-10 12:30 PM, #66
Well put -nt-,
Mekantos,
06-Aug-10 01:33 PM, #70
Agreed,
bphan,
06-Aug-10 02:03 PM, #71
RE: Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Elerosse,
06-Aug-10 03:58 PM, #72
A very good post, I endorse it to 100% N/T,
Amberion,
06-Aug-10 05:37 PM, #73
I agree.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 06:01 PM, #74
Grand post. ~~~~~~,
Batman (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 07:03 PM, #76
If you put it this way,
Gaplemo,
06-Aug-10 07:49 PM, #77
forget it,
CharlieWaffles,
06-Aug-10 08:59 PM, #78
Devil's Advocate,
sorlag (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 10:43 PM, #81
Well said. I wish i read this earlier and copy and past...,
Gaspar,
06-Aug-10 09:44 PM, #80
Not controversial in the least, IMHO.,
TMNS,
07-Aug-10 02:36 AM, #85
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 11:57 PM, #55
Actually I'm happy with these answers,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 12:43 AM, #56
Simple question.,
wareagle,
05-Aug-10 10:24 PM, #52
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:11 PM, #31
That's it?,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #35
You're acting like he owes you something.,
Guilo,
05-Aug-10 06:51 PM, #38
Whoa cowboy, calm down.,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 08:14 PM, #51
RE: Whoa cowboy, calm down.,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 10:37 PM, #53
ditto,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:29 PM, #101
Question for the IMMs regarding future Hell explorer wa...,
Humbert,
05-Aug-10 04:59 PM, #24
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 01:23 PM, #1
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