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TorakFri 06-Aug-10 12:50 PM
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#34392, "We could not be more different"


          

The crux of your argument, which has been before, is that you don't like the investment required for some things. Making Hell playable by a group of 3 would be absolutely devastating to the work Sacer put into a true challenge. If you want something that requires 2-3 people without preps in short time, go to every other area in the game.

You can guess that people don't care about Hell but I absolutely assure you that you are wrong in this. The majority of people I know find it the true fun at hero range considering the continual grind of pvp that's unbalanced and gang-heavy with raiding/retrievals that are enjoyable being few and far between. I'm constantly bugged, in game and out, to go to places that people have never been to so they can see and experience it. Several trips through the Inferno where we did absolutely nothing beyond walk a few steps and die and people say it was the most awesome experience.

Having "Explorefags", as you so eloquently state, come out with gear...how do you think the mindless pkers get that gear? How do you think it gets circulated to your lowbie bash-bash-bash chars? It's the same argument of people complaining about Heralds - if you're good enough at killing then you'll get them. Every major character who has been a pk powerhouse hasn't had problems killing the countless explore bards, archon conjurers and everyone else whose focus isn't killing. You're basically advocating the removal of area explore gear because you don't have "the amount of people in a gang to kill the explorefags".

The game will always have an investment required, if you're so interested in it not, go play an arcade game or the OtherMud that starts you at hero. People that put work into *gasp* roleplaying on a roleplaying MUD and invest time usually see benefits because they're not #36 cloud giant ranger who spams bearcharge on villagers char that you're so inclined to make over and over and over. Or you're lovable insta-hero shifters.

Game design is something you clearly don't understand because it seems you want GodMode without the work. People like the challenge of the impossible and people strive to achieve what hasn't been done before. I could keep going but your whole response is just spiteful, bitchy, and a general complaint that it's not what *you* want when clearly your grade of effort and output is just crap for your high expectations.

If you hate it so much, don't play.

  

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HOT Locked TopicSo let's talk about the Inferno [View all] , Torak, Sun 08-Aug-10 10:00 PM
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Tesline, 08-Aug-10 01:28 PM, #92
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Isildur, 06-Aug-10 11:07 PM, #82
Reply You don't get it..., Torak, 06-Aug-10 11:22 PM, #83
     Reply Your argument would hold more weight..., TMNS, 07-Aug-10 02:28 AM, #84
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Isildur, 07-Aug-10 04:50 AM, #86
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Torak, 07-Aug-10 11:22 AM, #87
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Eskelian, 09-Aug-10 10:20 PM, #95
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:15 PM, #96
Reply I've been to the Inferno with the Ravon and Igbah group..., Gaspar, 06-Aug-10 08:12 PM, #79
Reply I beg to differ, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #97
Reply Explorefags, Scrimbul, 06-Aug-10 12:25 PM, #65
Reply We could not be more different, Torak, 06-Aug-10 12:50 PM #67
     Reply I already don't play., Scrimbul, 06-Aug-10 01:20 PM, #68
          Reply Nope, Torak, 06-Aug-10 01:32 PM, #69
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Rayihn, 05-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #62
Reply Catch 22, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 02:02 PM, #2
Reply RE: Catch 22, Isildur, 05-Aug-10 03:03 PM, #5
Reply RE: Catch 22, ORB, 05-Aug-10 03:22 PM, #9
Reply It's by far the coolest area in the game next to the si..., Amberion, 05-Aug-10 05:27 PM, #26
Reply RE: Catch 22, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:18 PM, #98
Reply I haven't been around very much lately, Mekantos, 05-Aug-10 02:14 PM, #3
Reply Just one thing..., TMNS, 05-Aug-10 03:17 PM, #6
Reply RE: Just one thing..., ORB, 05-Aug-10 03:26 PM, #10
Reply One big difference here, Torak, 05-Aug-10 03:35 PM, #11
Reply RE: Just one thing..., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 04:09 PM, #14
Reply But then, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:20 PM, #99
Reply Hrmm, A2, 05-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #4
Reply Take the damn area out of the game then if you dont wan..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 03:19 PM, #7
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 03:20 PM, #8
     Reply I love you - awesome post~, Torak, 05-Aug-10 03:37 PM, #12
     Reply Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:06 PM, #13
     Reply Honest question:, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 04:14 PM, #15
     Reply Does it really matter?, Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:17 PM, #16
          Reply I never get a chance to roll with my friends., TMNS, 05-Aug-10 04:26 PM, #18
          Reply But thats the thing. There was no mass pking, no domina..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:40 PM, #22
          Reply Thoughts of a newbie, Tohno, 05-Aug-10 04:31 PM, #20
          Reply If I could point a huge red arrow at this, I would~, Torak, 05-Aug-10 04:34 PM, #21
          Reply We all learn from someone., thendrell, 05-Aug-10 06:57 PM, #39
          Reply That's how I'm hoping it is, Tohno, 05-Aug-10 08:11 PM, #50
          Reply RE: Thoughts of a newbie, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 11:04 PM, #54
               Reply RE: Thoughts of a newbie, Tohno, 06-Aug-10 12:38 AM, #57
          Reply Hell (pardon the pun) yes it does!, Pro, 05-Aug-10 04:49 PM, #23
     Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Aarn, 05-Aug-10 04:25 PM, #17
     Reply In all honesty, Torak, 05-Aug-10 04:35 PM, #19
          Reply The problem, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 05:20 PM, #25
               Reply The other end of this..., Pro, 05-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #28
                    Reply RE: The other end of this..., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #32
                         Reply He said they were going for Satan., Pro, 05-Aug-10 06:48 PM, #37
     Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #93
          Reply FWIW, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:22 PM, #33
          Reply RE: FWIW, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:31 PM, #34
               Reply RE: FWIW, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #36
               Reply It really is a Catch-22, Lyristeon, 07-Aug-10 07:33 PM, #88
               Reply Long rambling response, thendrell, 05-Aug-10 07:18 PM, #40
                    Reply RE: Long rambling response, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 07:48 PM, #44
          Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Aarn, 05-Aug-10 07:27 PM, #43
     Reply There is a difference between OOC coordination..., Zulghinlour, 05-Aug-10 05:40 PM, #27
     Reply So if i had sent a mass note out, it would all have bee..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 05:59 PM, #29
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #30
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #41
          Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #42
          Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #49
               Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, larsihalv, 06-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #75
          Reply The group in question, Zulghinlour, 05-Aug-10 07:51 PM, #45
               Reply For real., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 07:55 PM, #46
               Reply Ironically, Torak, 05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #48
                    Reply Its one of the first I got, Gaplemo, 06-Aug-10 01:33 AM, #58
               Reply RE: The group in question, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #47
     Reply Honestly, Aarn:, Malakhi, 08-Aug-10 03:08 AM, #89
     Reply RE: Honestly, Aarn:, Aarn, 12-Aug-10 09:36 AM, #102
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Lyristeon, 08-Aug-10 07:05 AM, #90
     Reply Yea it sucks, Knac, 08-Aug-10 12:06 PM, #91
     Reply Heh, didn't know you were Kantherion.., Marcus_, 09-Aug-10 09:56 AM, #94
     Reply You could argue otherwise, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:21 PM, #100
Reply Maybe a controversial opinion., Eskelian, 06-Aug-10 09:06 AM, #59
Reply Very good post and I agree (nt), Nightgaunt_, 06-Aug-10 09:28 AM, #60
Reply This. nt, Splntrd, 06-Aug-10 09:58 AM, #61
Reply That's the root of the issue really, bravo, Torak, 06-Aug-10 11:55 AM, #63
Reply RE: Maybe a controversial opinion., Verdelyeb, 06-Aug-10 12:12 PM, #64
Reply Single best post ever., Artificial, 06-Aug-10 12:30 PM, #66
Reply Well put -nt-, Mekantos, 06-Aug-10 01:33 PM, #70
Reply Agreed, bphan, 06-Aug-10 02:03 PM, #71
Reply RE: Maybe a controversial opinion., Elerosse, 06-Aug-10 03:58 PM, #72
Reply A very good post, I endorse it to 100% N/T, Amberion, 06-Aug-10 05:37 PM, #73
Reply I agree., sorlag (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 06:01 PM, #74
Reply Grand post. ~~~~~~, Batman (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 07:03 PM, #76
Reply If you put it this way, Gaplemo, 06-Aug-10 07:49 PM, #77
Reply forget it, CharlieWaffles, 06-Aug-10 08:59 PM, #78
Reply Devil's Advocate, sorlag (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 10:43 PM, #81
Reply Well said. I wish i read this earlier and copy and past..., Gaspar, 06-Aug-10 09:44 PM, #80
Reply Not controversial in the least, IMHO., TMNS, 07-Aug-10 02:36 AM, #85
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 11:57 PM, #55
Reply Actually I'm happy with these answers, Torak, 06-Aug-10 12:43 AM, #56
Reply Simple question., wareagle, 05-Aug-10 10:24 PM, #52
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:11 PM, #31
Reply That's it?, Torak, 05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #35
     Reply You're acting like he owes you something., Guilo, 05-Aug-10 06:51 PM, #38
          Reply Whoa cowboy, calm down., Torak, 05-Aug-10 08:14 PM, #51
          Reply RE: Whoa cowboy, calm down., Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 10:37 PM, #53
          Reply ditto, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:29 PM, #101
Reply Question for the IMMs regarding future Hell explorer wa..., Humbert, 05-Aug-10 04:59 PM, #24
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 01:23 PM, #1
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