Torak | Thu 05-Aug-10 03:35 PM |
Member since 15th Feb 2007
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#34335, "One big difference here"
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>Now, about Hell. I kinda feel like Hell is a lot like Silent, >and has no place in CF anymore. It literally almost asks the >players to "cheat" in order to explore/figure it out.
Hell requires skill, Silent Tower requires knowledge.
You could be given a full walk through the Inferno and there's not jack you could do about it. Just as you said, it asks players to "cheat" in order to accomplish it given the difficulty, design problems and player base size. Big part of why it's interesting is no matter if you figure out, actually doing it is the hard and fun part.
You could be given a full walk through of the Silent Tower and suddenly become a solo badass. If you share that knowledge with others, they immediately gain the benefits...and it required sharing of knowledge to even try archmages. Big part of why it was closed is because once you figure out the "riddle", you get the prize - people who had never done it were walking out with Inferno-grade or better gear.
Knowledge should never equal balance, ever. Maybe that works in a single player game but not in a multiplayer game.
And really the dragon lairs aren't hard - the blue is a pain in the ass for some reasons (like buggy dragon tracking) but the rest are easy. A group of us got together and cleared all the lairs out in under two hours. Tiamat is rough but if ya get that kinda group, with people who have the knowledge and experience for the fight, you might as well go to the Inferno. Half the reason Tiamat hasn't been beaten yet is the exact same reason higher archdevils haven't - getting the numbers of the right classes is too unlikely. Having enough invoker/bards to keep shields up for example is basically impossible unless the stars align perfectly or people make missing classes to fill in the gaps at hero range. Not many people like making the bitch healer, especially an evil one.
That and the Inferno is just cooler
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So let's talk about the Inferno
[View all] , Torak, Sun 08-Aug-10 10:00 PM
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Tesline,
08-Aug-10 01:28 PM, #92
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Isildur,
06-Aug-10 11:07 PM, #82
You don't get it...,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 11:22 PM, #83
Your argument would hold more weight...,
TMNS,
07-Aug-10 02:28 AM, #84
RE: You don't get it...,
Isildur,
07-Aug-10 04:50 AM, #86
RE: You don't get it...,
Torak,
07-Aug-10 11:22 AM, #87
RE: You don't get it...,
Eskelian,
09-Aug-10 10:20 PM, #95
RE: You don't get it...,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:15 PM, #96
I've been to the Inferno with the Ravon and Igbah group...,
Gaspar,
06-Aug-10 08:12 PM, #79
I beg to differ,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #97
Explorefags,
Scrimbul,
06-Aug-10 12:25 PM, #65
We could not be more different,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 12:50 PM, #67
I already don't play.,
Scrimbul,
06-Aug-10 01:20 PM, #68
Nope,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 01:32 PM, #69
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Rayihn,
05-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #62
Catch 22,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 02:02 PM, #2
RE: Catch 22,
Isildur,
05-Aug-10 03:03 PM, #5
RE: Catch 22,
ORB,
05-Aug-10 03:22 PM, #9
It's by far the coolest area in the game next to the si...,
Amberion,
05-Aug-10 05:27 PM, #26
RE: Catch 22,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:18 PM, #98
I haven't been around very much lately,
Mekantos,
05-Aug-10 02:14 PM, #3
Just one thing...,
TMNS,
05-Aug-10 03:17 PM, #6
RE: Just one thing...,
ORB,
05-Aug-10 03:26 PM, #10
One big difference here,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 03:35 PM #11
RE: Just one thing...,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 04:09 PM, #14
But then,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:20 PM, #99
Hrmm,
A2,
05-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #4
Take the damn area out of the game then if you dont wan...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 03:19 PM, #7
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 03:20 PM, #8
I love you - awesome post~,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 03:37 PM, #12
Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:06 PM, #13
Honest question:,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 04:14 PM, #15
Does it really matter?,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:17 PM, #16
I never get a chance to roll with my friends.,
TMNS,
05-Aug-10 04:26 PM, #18
But thats the thing. There was no mass pking, no domina...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 04:40 PM, #22
Thoughts of a newbie,
Tohno,
05-Aug-10 04:31 PM, #20
If I could point a huge red arrow at this, I would~,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 04:34 PM, #21
We all learn from someone.,
thendrell,
05-Aug-10 06:57 PM, #39
That's how I'm hoping it is,
Tohno,
05-Aug-10 08:11 PM, #50
RE: Thoughts of a newbie,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 11:04 PM, #54
RE: Thoughts of a newbie,
Tohno,
06-Aug-10 12:38 AM, #57
Hell (pardon the pun) yes it does!,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 04:49 PM, #23
RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 04:25 PM, #17
In all honesty,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 04:35 PM, #19
The problem,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 05:20 PM, #25
The other end of this...,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #28
RE: The other end of this...,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #32
He said they were going for Satan.,
Pro,
05-Aug-10 06:48 PM, #37
RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #93
FWIW,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:22 PM, #33
RE: FWIW,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:31 PM, #34
RE: FWIW,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #36
It really is a Catch-22,
Lyristeon,
07-Aug-10 07:33 PM, #88
Long rambling response,
thendrell,
05-Aug-10 07:18 PM, #40
RE: Long rambling response,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 07:48 PM, #44
RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head.,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 07:27 PM, #43
There is a difference between OOC coordination...,
Zulghinlour,
05-Aug-10 05:40 PM, #27
So if i had sent a mass note out, it would all have bee...,
Gaplemo,
05-Aug-10 05:59 PM, #29
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #30
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #41
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #42
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #49
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
larsihalv,
06-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #75
The group in question,
Zulghinlour,
05-Aug-10 07:51 PM, #45
For real.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 07:55 PM, #46
Ironically,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #48
Its one of the first I got,
Gaplemo,
06-Aug-10 01:33 AM, #58
RE: The group in question,
Aarn,
05-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #47
Honestly, Aarn:,
Malakhi,
08-Aug-10 03:08 AM, #89
RE: Honestly, Aarn:,
Aarn,
12-Aug-10 09:36 AM, #102
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Lyristeon,
08-Aug-10 07:05 AM, #90
Yea it sucks,
Knac,
08-Aug-10 12:06 PM, #91
Heh, didn't know you were Kantherion..,
Marcus_,
09-Aug-10 09:56 AM, #94
You could argue otherwise,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:21 PM, #100
Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Eskelian,
06-Aug-10 09:06 AM, #59
Very good post and I agree (nt),
Nightgaunt_,
06-Aug-10 09:28 AM, #60
This. nt,
Splntrd,
06-Aug-10 09:58 AM, #61
That's the root of the issue really, bravo,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 11:55 AM, #63
RE: Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Verdelyeb,
06-Aug-10 12:12 PM, #64
Single best post ever.,
Artificial,
06-Aug-10 12:30 PM, #66
Well put -nt-,
Mekantos,
06-Aug-10 01:33 PM, #70
Agreed,
bphan,
06-Aug-10 02:03 PM, #71
RE: Maybe a controversial opinion.,
Elerosse,
06-Aug-10 03:58 PM, #72
A very good post, I endorse it to 100% N/T,
Amberion,
06-Aug-10 05:37 PM, #73
I agree.,
sorlag (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 06:01 PM, #74
Grand post. ~~~~~~,
Batman (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 07:03 PM, #76
If you put it this way,
Gaplemo,
06-Aug-10 07:49 PM, #77
forget it,
CharlieWaffles,
06-Aug-10 08:59 PM, #78
Devil's Advocate,
sorlag (Anonymous),
06-Aug-10 10:43 PM, #81
Well said. I wish i read this earlier and copy and past...,
Gaspar,
06-Aug-10 09:44 PM, #80
Not controversial in the least, IMHO.,
TMNS,
07-Aug-10 02:36 AM, #85
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 11:57 PM, #55
Actually I'm happy with these answers,
Torak,
06-Aug-10 12:43 AM, #56
Simple question.,
wareagle,
05-Aug-10 10:24 PM, #52
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 06:11 PM, #31
That's it?,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #35
You're acting like he owes you something.,
Guilo,
05-Aug-10 06:51 PM, #38
Whoa cowboy, calm down.,
Torak,
05-Aug-10 08:14 PM, #51
RE: Whoa cowboy, calm down.,
Daevryn,
05-Aug-10 10:37 PM, #53
ditto,
incognito,
11-Aug-10 06:29 PM, #101
Question for the IMMs regarding future Hell explorer wa...,
Humbert,
05-Aug-10 04:59 PM, #24
RE: So let's talk about the Inferno,
sorlag (Anonymous),
05-Aug-10 01:23 PM, #1
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