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TorakThu 05-Aug-10 03:35 PM
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#34335, "One big difference here"


          

>Now, about Hell. I kinda feel like Hell is a lot like Silent,
>and has no place in CF anymore. It literally almost asks the
>players to "cheat" in order to explore/figure it out.

Hell requires skill, Silent Tower requires knowledge.

You could be given a full walk through the Inferno and there's not jack you could do about it. Just as you said, it asks players to "cheat" in order to accomplish it given the difficulty, design problems and player base size. Big part of why it's interesting is no matter if you figure out, actually doing it is the hard and fun part.

You could be given a full walk through of the Silent Tower and suddenly become a solo badass. If you share that knowledge with others, they immediately gain the benefits...and it required sharing of knowledge to even try archmages. Big part of why it was closed is because once you figure out the "riddle", you get the prize - people who had never done it were walking out with Inferno-grade or better gear.

Knowledge should never equal balance, ever. Maybe that works in a single player game but not in a multiplayer game.

And really the dragon lairs aren't hard - the blue is a pain in the ass for some reasons (like buggy dragon tracking) but the rest are easy. A group of us got together and cleared all the lairs out in under two hours. Tiamat is rough but if ya get that kinda group, with people who have the knowledge and experience for the fight, you might as well go to the Inferno. Half the reason Tiamat hasn't been beaten yet is the exact same reason higher archdevils haven't - getting the numbers of the right classes is too unlikely. Having enough invoker/bards to keep shields up for example is basically impossible unless the stars align perfectly or people make missing classes to fill in the gaps at hero range. Not many people like making the bitch healer, especially an evil one.

That and the Inferno is just cooler

  

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HOT Locked TopicSo let's talk about the Inferno [View all] , Torak, Sun 08-Aug-10 10:00 PM
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Tesline, 08-Aug-10 01:28 PM, #92
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Isildur, 06-Aug-10 11:07 PM, #82
Reply You don't get it..., Torak, 06-Aug-10 11:22 PM, #83
     Reply Your argument would hold more weight..., TMNS, 07-Aug-10 02:28 AM, #84
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Isildur, 07-Aug-10 04:50 AM, #86
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Torak, 07-Aug-10 11:22 AM, #87
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., Eskelian, 09-Aug-10 10:20 PM, #95
     Reply RE: You don't get it..., incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:15 PM, #96
Reply I've been to the Inferno with the Ravon and Igbah group..., Gaspar, 06-Aug-10 08:12 PM, #79
Reply I beg to differ, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #97
Reply Explorefags, Scrimbul, 06-Aug-10 12:25 PM, #65
Reply We could not be more different, Torak, 06-Aug-10 12:50 PM, #67
     Reply I already don't play., Scrimbul, 06-Aug-10 01:20 PM, #68
          Reply Nope, Torak, 06-Aug-10 01:32 PM, #69
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Rayihn, 05-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #62
Reply Catch 22, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 02:02 PM, #2
Reply RE: Catch 22, Isildur, 05-Aug-10 03:03 PM, #5
Reply RE: Catch 22, ORB, 05-Aug-10 03:22 PM, #9
Reply It's by far the coolest area in the game next to the si..., Amberion, 05-Aug-10 05:27 PM, #26
Reply RE: Catch 22, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:18 PM, #98
Reply I haven't been around very much lately, Mekantos, 05-Aug-10 02:14 PM, #3
Reply Just one thing..., TMNS, 05-Aug-10 03:17 PM, #6
Reply RE: Just one thing..., ORB, 05-Aug-10 03:26 PM, #10
Reply One big difference here, Torak, 05-Aug-10 03:35 PM #11
Reply RE: Just one thing..., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 04:09 PM, #14
Reply But then, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:20 PM, #99
Reply Hrmm, A2, 05-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #4
Reply Take the damn area out of the game then if you dont wan..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 03:19 PM, #7
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 03:20 PM, #8
     Reply I love you - awesome post~, Torak, 05-Aug-10 03:37 PM, #12
     Reply Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:06 PM, #13
     Reply Honest question:, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 04:14 PM, #15
     Reply Does it really matter?, Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:17 PM, #16
          Reply I never get a chance to roll with my friends., TMNS, 05-Aug-10 04:26 PM, #18
          Reply But thats the thing. There was no mass pking, no domina..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 04:40 PM, #22
          Reply Thoughts of a newbie, Tohno, 05-Aug-10 04:31 PM, #20
          Reply If I could point a huge red arrow at this, I would~, Torak, 05-Aug-10 04:34 PM, #21
          Reply We all learn from someone., thendrell, 05-Aug-10 06:57 PM, #39
          Reply That's how I'm hoping it is, Tohno, 05-Aug-10 08:11 PM, #50
          Reply RE: Thoughts of a newbie, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 11:04 PM, #54
               Reply RE: Thoughts of a newbie, Tohno, 06-Aug-10 12:38 AM, #57
          Reply Hell (pardon the pun) yes it does!, Pro, 05-Aug-10 04:49 PM, #23
     Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Aarn, 05-Aug-10 04:25 PM, #17
     Reply In all honesty, Torak, 05-Aug-10 04:35 PM, #19
          Reply The problem, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 05:20 PM, #25
               Reply The other end of this..., Pro, 05-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #28
                    Reply RE: The other end of this..., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:16 PM, #32
                         Reply He said they were going for Satan., Pro, 05-Aug-10 06:48 PM, #37
     Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #93
          Reply FWIW, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:22 PM, #33
          Reply RE: FWIW, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:31 PM, #34
               Reply RE: FWIW, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #36
               Reply It really is a Catch-22, Lyristeon, 07-Aug-10 07:33 PM, #88
               Reply Long rambling response, thendrell, 05-Aug-10 07:18 PM, #40
                    Reply RE: Long rambling response, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 07:48 PM, #44
          Reply RE: Theres no big secret, You hit the nail on the head., Aarn, 05-Aug-10 07:27 PM, #43
     Reply There is a difference between OOC coordination..., Zulghinlour, 05-Aug-10 05:40 PM, #27
     Reply So if i had sent a mass note out, it would all have bee..., Gaplemo, 05-Aug-10 05:59 PM, #29
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #30
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #41
          Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #42
          Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #49
               Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, larsihalv, 06-Aug-10 06:10 PM, #75
          Reply The group in question, Zulghinlour, 05-Aug-10 07:51 PM, #45
               Reply For real., sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 07:55 PM, #46
               Reply Ironically, Torak, 05-Aug-10 08:04 PM, #48
                    Reply Its one of the first I got, Gaplemo, 06-Aug-10 01:33 AM, #58
               Reply RE: The group in question, Aarn, 05-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #47
     Reply Honestly, Aarn:, Malakhi, 08-Aug-10 03:08 AM, #89
     Reply RE: Honestly, Aarn:, Aarn, 12-Aug-10 09:36 AM, #102
     Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Lyristeon, 08-Aug-10 07:05 AM, #90
     Reply Yea it sucks, Knac, 08-Aug-10 12:06 PM, #91
     Reply Heh, didn't know you were Kantherion.., Marcus_, 09-Aug-10 09:56 AM, #94
     Reply You could argue otherwise, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:21 PM, #100
Reply Maybe a controversial opinion., Eskelian, 06-Aug-10 09:06 AM, #59
Reply Very good post and I agree (nt), Nightgaunt_, 06-Aug-10 09:28 AM, #60
Reply This. nt, Splntrd, 06-Aug-10 09:58 AM, #61
Reply That's the root of the issue really, bravo, Torak, 06-Aug-10 11:55 AM, #63
Reply RE: Maybe a controversial opinion., Verdelyeb, 06-Aug-10 12:12 PM, #64
Reply Single best post ever., Artificial, 06-Aug-10 12:30 PM, #66
Reply Well put -nt-, Mekantos, 06-Aug-10 01:33 PM, #70
Reply Agreed, bphan, 06-Aug-10 02:03 PM, #71
Reply RE: Maybe a controversial opinion., Elerosse, 06-Aug-10 03:58 PM, #72
Reply A very good post, I endorse it to 100% N/T, Amberion, 06-Aug-10 05:37 PM, #73
Reply I agree., sorlag (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 06:01 PM, #74
Reply Grand post. ~~~~~~, Batman (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 07:03 PM, #76
Reply If you put it this way, Gaplemo, 06-Aug-10 07:49 PM, #77
Reply forget it, CharlieWaffles, 06-Aug-10 08:59 PM, #78
Reply Devil's Advocate, sorlag (Anonymous), 06-Aug-10 10:43 PM, #81
Reply Well said. I wish i read this earlier and copy and past..., Gaspar, 06-Aug-10 09:44 PM, #80
Reply Not controversial in the least, IMHO., TMNS, 07-Aug-10 02:36 AM, #85
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 11:57 PM, #55
Reply Actually I'm happy with these answers, Torak, 06-Aug-10 12:43 AM, #56
Reply Simple question., wareagle, 05-Aug-10 10:24 PM, #52
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 06:11 PM, #31
Reply That's it?, Torak, 05-Aug-10 06:39 PM, #35
     Reply You're acting like he owes you something., Guilo, 05-Aug-10 06:51 PM, #38
          Reply Whoa cowboy, calm down., Torak, 05-Aug-10 08:14 PM, #51
          Reply RE: Whoa cowboy, calm down., Daevryn, 05-Aug-10 10:37 PM, #53
          Reply ditto, incognito, 11-Aug-10 06:29 PM, #101
Reply Question for the IMMs regarding future Hell explorer wa..., Humbert, 05-Aug-10 04:59 PM, #24
Reply RE: So let's talk about the Inferno, sorlag (Anonymous), 05-Aug-10 01:23 PM, #1
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