Imms can do it themselves, but dont want the rest of the mud to have the same priveledges of it they did. Thats 2 imm hell groups we know of, and I wouldnt give a #### if they didnt ban players for doing the same thing that they do.

Theres no hidden evidence.

I didnt pk with them

I didnt rank with them

I didnt raid with them

I went on a hell trip with them, and I happened to know the people in the group.

Apparently this is enough to destroy a char over. If thats they way they want it cool, but you lost me, and I doubt im the last player to leave over this sort of ####. Nobody likes double standards. You cannot hold people to double standards and expect them to respect you. The Imm hell trips is one example. The Cabdru incident is another. We know damn good and well nep would NEVER have admitted to playing a character so well known for abusing game mechanics IN HIS OWN SUPER EXPLORE AREA amongst other places. But he blew it and we all found out. Expect us to be happy? No, #### that. And thats only the incidences we KNOW about. Think about how many times that type of #### has slipped through the cracks?

Like I said, I log on and twist tells me if he knew it was me, he would have never empowered me. And that he feels betrayed by what we did. Really? Cause youve done the same thing, and I doubt you felt betrayed then. Its a satan trip. Im not building a 200 charge weapon with my friends or leet imm knowledge. And Ive NEVER had a history of cheating or being in a perma, so I have no ####ing idea what he meant by that. He likely meant "If I knew you knew torak, I wouldnt have empowered you." That type of additude is gonna send more people out, veterans included, not bring them in.