We just don't agree it seems. The last few successful groups since I came back to CF before the wipe I was a part of each that I know. My point about the requirements of people plus skill levels and certain classes is higher than what I think is available given the playerbase, especially if you want to attempt anything besides "make it through" as you put it. I want to take things like Moloch and other archdevils down, fight at the Pit Fiend council on the 9th, and it's never really been done or even attempted by "less" as you say. There's a reason most hasn't been seen or done, and it's because of what it takes to do it just isn't there. I'm no Cabdru and finding 7+ people who know their #### and are the right classes is asking for a whole lot these days.

Anyways, it's a difference of opinion and your sandbox. I'm fine with that, I just would like to see changes and think it'd be beneficial as a whole if they were made to that area. Take it or leave it I guess, I still like the area.

I do believe that you guys went overboard with the deny considering the gravity of a hell trip being the offense considering the typical hell group is generally OOC blatantly or just hiding it better than we did. As you wrote below it being a "repeat offense" from Rawvos, but Loshnak was extremely different in behaviour and actions. I never killed or really grouped with the people I knew unless it was for the Inferno and a few other exploring...most of which I just grabbed whoever was on to do it. I specifically avoided them, even making a Scarab Ehren character to enforce it. I figured given my immexp, roleplay, and general behaviour you would see it was different...I hadn't deleted with weapon loss and was toughing it out. If I had known it pissed you guys off that much to do Hell trips with others you knew, I wouldn't have done it because I liked being a Scarab again so much. Ironically for all the crap I've been in trouble for, hell trips has never been one of them....and I've been doing them for years. Scarabaeus specifically told me that with the Voice we'd be killing archdevils for con-quests and asked me why I didn't on our first trip...not a single mention of the OOC nature or dislike of what I was doing. A warning was all that's necessary....but you just figured it was the same and banned away.

Well that's that. I'm pissed about losing a high quality character considering the effort I put into it and definitely saddened at what's happening with the Inferno, but again not #### I can do about it apparently but point it out. We'll see if I continue playing or not, I still haven't decided.

Peace.