Thu Jul 2 23:09:48 2009

At 8 o'clock PM, Day of the Moon, 35th of the Month of Futility
on the Theran calendar Woldrun perished, never to return.

I forget my orcs name, but I killed you with someones help after hacking you right after Nerrla's full wither went in, right before your bash went in. Took your death like a champ. Thanks for not hunting that character anymore after I was getting my ass two rounded by you.

I did not roll up a villager because with you around, underdog status was not in view.

krilcov@gmail.com

Damn, that would explain why you were so competant!

You were an inspiration to Goroel when I was kickin' around, and I'm still kicking myself over having to delete. Truly awesome! It also means that at least I can feel better about myself not winning the rites, look at my competition!

I have the whole thing logged by the way, and it makes me cringe when I look over our fight. Go go dagger power with resist dropping! Cheers for not calling me the idiot that I was for that fight, but you win some you lose some, eh?

I've actually been thinking up a char to come back with and would it surprise you much for me to say I keep trying to think of ways to be more powerful and more of a force then Woldrun? Cheers for the inspiriation.

Hahaha! You surely left a mark on Iunna! (I'm not mixing up the names now am I? You were that beardless dwarf weren't you?)

Hah, sure was.

Yeah but you didn't see what I had to put up with after Grawshen con'd out!

Fyee, Haidoril, hell anyone could tell you that.

Yep, you were impossible after Goroel.

I just have to say, you were a great commander, and it was always enjoyable to see things happen when you were around. It was a high-point in Malthalia's life when she was compared to Woldrun, in that the rager knew that if either of us were around, it was going to be interesting times.

GLWYN!

I just can't ever bring myself to make a sword spec for the yawn factor but Woldrun was quality. I only got into your Pk recently but the few fights we had were fun, purely because of how my form stacked up against you but never the less you were quality.

-----Abernyte

This character is tainted because it was rigged through all the imm-gifts it was given. Can anyone be called a great player when they're given so many advantages?

~20,000 imm exp
6+ con
title
tattoo
Third Weapon specialty
Legacy: Gates of the Forge
Quest skill: Setfracture
Edge: Wise Recovery
Edge: Leader

Look at this edge list. He's got them all!
Strong Back
Aerial Oppressor
Ehren Soul
Leader
Apt Learner
Twitchy
Overcome Distortion
Strong Wrists
Eyes in the Back of Your Head
Defiant Resistance
Magic's Bane
Remain Conscious
Shield Eyes
Battle Tested
Transportation Sensitivity
Quick Healer
Ehren Lord
Zombie Fighter
Wise Recovery
Seasoned Traveller
Dove of Spring Dawn
Hawk of Summer Afternoon
Eagle of Autumn Evening
Owl of Winter Night
Parry Anything
Furious Whirlwind
Gift to the Departed
Seven Winds of Hamsah Mu'tazz
Brutal Jab
Swath of Destruction
Thick Veined

are something to write home about. And polearm was situational at best. I think Twisty used polearm out of boredom toward the end of the character (cause let me tell you, sword spec easily becomes the most boring spec after 50 hours).

The character was worth every penny too. I can't think of a single thing he did that didn't add to the game.

Great job from Firhinil's perspective. And I still hate not being drillmaster. I woulda been da bombz.

In 15 years of mudding I've never met someone who detracted from my enjoyment of a mud. I've also never met anyone who was "omg, wow! This guy makes the game SO MUCH BETTER!".

I see imm rewards like this and I see a rigged character. I've never interacted with Woldrun, but I've read his logs. He looked like everyone else, save the fact that he was a bit more powerful. For goodness sakes, he died 139 times! That's 46.3 points of constitution he blew through.

If you're going to reward your own immstaff and ignore players, skeptics are going to suspect favoritism.

>In 15 years of mudding I've never met someone who detracted
>from my enjoyment of a mud.

Then why are you complaining about Woldrun's rewards?

>If you're going to reward your own immstaff and ignore
>players, skeptics are going to suspect favoritism.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that most characters rewarded
aren't played by IMMs. I'm not going to break out the statistics, it's
just a hunch. If we really did what you said and ignored players, none
of us would be here.

>If we really did what you said and ignored
>players, none
>of us would be here.


I remember a Scion player rage-deleting all of his characters and making a big stink about how much he had been ignored.

That's one of the most recent topics of discussion.. The fact that an entire cabal is ignored while battle has been given so much immteraction and "RP" rewards it's not even funny. Well, here's proof.

You've got Twist saying he felt he probably received too much attention!

I said I thought Woldrun may have gotten too much at early stages. I also make the point (you probably stopped reading) that overall I think he deserved everything he got.

Again - you didn't interact with the character. Those who did (including the Scion player) are not complaining. Perhaps shut it.

You didn't create a counter-arguement without falling back onto insults.


Look, if you imms are honest you can go two ways:

* Have a game where you enjoy the game with power-gamey characters, but know other players are going question it, and understand WHY they are questioning it.

* Rig each-others characters openly as the reward for running the game.


Right now I see power-gamey characters and you getting super bitchy when anyone questions it. That's kind of ignorant.

Except there aren't "players" questioning it.

There's you questioning it.

And, I'm sorry, I don't personally care about the opinion of anyone who takes you seriously.

Funny, well here's a counter example.

http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=4&topic_id=82405&mesg_id=82580&page=



You crack me up Nepenthe. Over and over you base your entire arguement on the bandwagon. As if you honestly think that people are going to stand next to me and speak up against you when you are the administration on a free mud where YOU have the ability to make characters more powerful via balance-changes or immrewards.

Not only do you start every response by saying "Hey everyone, this is Josiah", you always call in to question popular opinion.

This is your website and your game. You flame down people who disagree with you, and then (probably) blacklist them in the game. Are you seriously trying to say that it means anything when (not many) people disagree with you?

And yes, a large population doesn't think you're honest. They just enjoy playing the game and realize you're a narcissistic egoist who will harm their gameplay if they say anything.

>Funny, well here's a counter example.
>
>http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=4&topic_id=82405&mesg_id=82580&page=

A counter example that says, and I quote "you probably deserved it all."

It's not about a bandwagon. I just don't give a #### what you think. There's nothing else I can say to you that's honest.

...that if the best "agreement" you are getting is that post, then I'm perfectly happy that I reveal my characters when I'm done playing them.

You seem to have issue with me, I'm not sure why, because I answered everything you posted on and you had no real response, other than to try to twist my words to fit your argument (and fail, I might add).

Hereafter, I'll continue to ignore you.

Oh and I will point out that you don't do your argument any good by hiding behind an anonymous handle. Your argument didn't have much of a leg to stand on anyway, but the fact that you feel the need to hide who is posting it leads me to think that you realize how little cred you really possess. And that's coming from someone who had no issues with you at all until this thread.

And I have very few issues with you after this thread either, btw. It's simply not worth it.

Nepenthe hinted that he knows who you are. Who are you?

Not that Twist could give a rats ass about my opinion, but Woldrun deserved everything he got. Anyone that contributes positively to the game should get some cool perks. The guy plays anti-griefer type chars. When you get PKed by one of his, its a class act and you are not left with a sick feeling in your stomache. Same thing when you PK him. Its called gamemanship. I've deleted after dying and getting full looted by certain mouthy RL players. Not that I couldnt quickly re-equip, ect. But I was upset over the 'beaking off' after the fact and was letting my own emotion ruin the role-play of the char. (Also to roll something else to get revenge)

It is a good thing when Imms let us know who they play. (Nepenthe is a bit of wuss in that regard however, )

But he got no third legacy nor third spec.
No imm love either.
Just saying.

>It is a good thing when Imms let us know who they play.
> Nepenthe is a bit of wuss in that regard however, )

I copped to the last two I deleted!

>Except there aren't "players" questioning it.
>
>There's you questioning it.
>
>And, I'm sorry, I don't personally care about the opinion of
>anyone who takes you seriously.


That's the bottom line. There aren't a lot of characters that could get these kind of rewards (which I think are unprecedented for a non-Herald) without a bunch of people feeling bitter and resentful. But Woldrun is one of those characters.

There was just a real nice mix of vision, strength, determination, humility, and overall concern for his cabal members that made Woldrun (universally?) respected and appreciated. How many characters have you seen who are the "first boot in the field and last boot off" without EVER saying/bragging that they are the "first boot in the field and the last boot off"?

Anyway. That's my last bit of Woldrun love. I'll save my hate for my own battlefield thread

Yes, there are obvious issues with Scion, we're aware of that. I'm
glad we can talk about that *yet again*.

However; Yean is not a Scion IMM. Thror is not a Scion IMM. Ysal is not
a Scion IMM. I am not a Scion IMM. I think you'll find that most people
involved with any rewards Woldrun and/or Battle got are not, in fact,
Scion IMMs. Basically it's not a matter of one cabal getting ignored
because of this other cabal, it's moreso this other cabal doesn't have
a lot of IMM-influence. Personally, Scion does nothing for me, so I'm
not going out of my way to watch those people unless our paths cross.
Does that make me a bad IMM? I don't think so, but you might disagree.

When I read a post like this I wonder which is better: Twist's method of claiming all of his characters (some of which are pretty successful, and some of which not so much), and having to read things like this, or my method of mostly not claiming my characters, and having instead to mostly read people bitching about characters I didn't actually play.

I'm still thinking mine.

>I see imm rewards like this and I see a rigged character.
>I've never interacted with Woldrun, but I've read his logs.
>He looked like everyone else, save the fact that he was a bit
>more powerful. For goodness sakes, he died 139 times! That's
>46.3 points of constitution he blew through.

Apparently you're not familiar with how con works for cabal leaders.

Or training con, for that matter.

>If you're going to reward your own immstaff and ignore
>players, skeptics are going to suspect favoritism.

You also say the staff is lying when we answer your questions about conjurers. You're in that category of players I personally regard as impossible to please.

Incidentally, if you're going to take a shot like that at Twist I think it'd be a little classier to attach the post to a handle. Your choice of which of yours.

>When I read a post like this I wonder which is better:
>Twist's method of claiming all of his characters (some of
>which are pretty successful, and some of which not so much),
>and having to read things like this, or my method of mostly
>not claiming my characters, and having instead to mostly read
>people bitching about characters I didn't actually play.
>
>I'm still thinking mine.

Honestly, I tend to wonder the reverse of what you think. Rather than worrying about people bitching, I'd feel it'd just be easier to get rid of a few nuisance players.

>>I see imm rewards like this and I see a rigged character.
>>I've never interacted with Woldrun, but I've read his logs.
>>He looked like everyone else, save the fact that he was a
>bit
>>more powerful. For goodness sakes, he died 139 times!
>That's
>>46.3 points of constitution he blew through.
>

To respond to Turing myself...I see characters like this, and I see a character that I'm glad we had around. I didn't get much direct out of him, but I can't think of anything ill said about him. Honestly, his PBF looks like most solid leader characters. They start getting rewards for being awesome for 2-300 hours, then stick around another 3-400 more. Only this char had an Imm playing, so now people throw a fit. Would you rather NOT have Twist characters around? I sure as hell wouldn't.

>
>>If you're going to reward your own immstaff and ignore
>>players, skeptics are going to suspect favoritism.
>
>You also say the staff is lying when we answer your questions
>about conjurers. You're in that category of players I
>personally regard as impossible to please.

>Incidentally, if you're going to take a shot like that at
>Twist I think it'd be a little classier to attach the post to
>a handle. Your choice of which of yours.

Agreed. We <3 Twist.

>To respond to Turing myself...I see characters like this, and
>I see a character that I'm glad we had around.

I enjoyed having Woldrun around too. But, I have to add, I never really had to fight him. If I were getting destroyed by him day in and day out...I might be a little less enthusiastic. Maybe.

I was waiting for someone to complain about the imm rewards.

Let me first address your faulty math - Woldrun was a cabal leader for probably 3/4 of his life, and I'd say 80% or more of his deaths were during that time. So those 139 deaths were mostly at the 5-deaths-per-con level. So more like 30 points of con.

IIRC he gained 6 con. There's a history entry from Thror about Woldrun being awarded some con for the Thror return quest, but before he could reward it I specifically told Yean (who told Thror) as Woldrun that I did not want any reward - that I had been given plenty of gifts from the Gods, and I wanted my men to be rewarded, not me. I told this to Thror IC too - Susubienko was in the room with me when I did.

I think Woldrun got too much imm-loving early in his life, to be honest. He was given a third legacy for winning a warrior-brawl-thing that was organized by Grawshen and sponsored by Iunna. There was an *extremely* poor showing for the event - at least 3 ragers that had told me they'd be there weren't, and I know of 2 or three non-ragers that should've been there. In the end there were only four of us, Woldrun won pretty much hands down, and there you have it. Third legacy that was (at the time) debateably undeserved. I like to think Iunna would have given the same-value-prize to whoever won, regardless. But that's something she can answer.

The polearm spec was for a role contest, and, as I said before, I personally wouldn't have chosen Woldrun's role. I am fairly certain Marcatis (who gave me the spec) did not know I played Woldrun at the time. It was nice in a few situations. I don't think it made the char all that much more powerful - it netted me a few kills that I wouldn't have gotten, via cutoff, but it also got me killed a few times where if I'd have used swords/hth instead of relying on chargeset or cutoff I'd have probably escaped. I can't say that this was an undeserved deal - Woldrun was judged a RC winner as opposed to runner up, and those types of things often net a quest form, third legacy, or something comparable. I'm not sure if a fourth legacy would have been more OP - I think so, but it's open for debate I guess - but my guess is that Marcatis figured so. Also, since my role mentioned Borkahd a lot, polearm was a neat choice.

Set Fracture was very nice. Maybe too nice for rager berserker sword spec, since it allowed me to really never fear assassins again other than assassination. But really, before set fracture, it was like wrist broken, retreat, wait for it to heal. It saved time, drove off a foe once, but never netted me a kill. It also almost killed me more than once, since you take damage when you set your own fracture, and decalcification and soften naturally make it worse. That would've been embarrassing. Anyway.

The edges I can't let you bitch about too much. I got almost all of those myself via a massive amount of exploration and observation and RP with lots of imms which involved repeated visits to shrines - still didn't get to talk to all the ones I wanted to. Some of those visits netted me nothing but a line in a role entry, others netted me a neat edge or something else...but each was appreciated a lot.

In the end, I think Woldrun did earn everything he got - just perhaps not at the times he got them. The Thror quest was a month-and-a-half long deal that, had I been running it, would have probably ended up with a third legacy for the spearhead character, and some nice bennies for the others. I believe Thror gave bennies to the others, and I already commented about trying to make sure Woldrun didn't get a lot out of it.

In the end, I'm fairly certain most of the imms who did dole out rewards to me did not know it was me - at least not when they gave the awards out. I know Thror didn't know it was me. I don't think Yean did (haven't spoken to her about it yet). I know Iunna did know it was me, but whether it was pre-tournament or post, I do not know.

Lastly, I'd like to you analyze your second paragraph, specifically the second sentence. You never interacted with me, but you read "his logs". I've posted 4. All of them involving PK. You've read logs that other people posted of me. You've no idea about anything Woldrun did, really, but you're angered by the amount of imm-love he got. That's a reasonable feeling, I think, especially if you feel neglected in that area. But I think it's also reasonable to say that if you didn't interact with him, saying it was fair or unfair is something you really can't be the judge of.

>I'm not sure if a fourth legacy would
>have been more OP - I think so, but it's open for debate I
>guess - but my guess is that Marcatis figured so. Also, since
>my role mentioned Borkahd a lot, polearm was a neat choice.

I can speak to that, because I was around during that discussion. Third legacy is often picked for a warrior RC win, but since Woldrun already had one, I commented that I thought third specs probably should be given out more often because I generally see them as more interesting and less powerful than extra legacies at that point -- adding specs at some point has diminishing returns, whereas adding legacies tends to have more and more synergy.

>In the end, I think Woldrun did earn everything he got - just
>perhaps not at the times he got them. The Thror quest was a
>month-and-a-half long deal that, had I been running it, would
>have probably ended up with a third legacy for the spearhead
>character, and some nice bennies for the others. I believe
>Thror gave bennies to the others, and I already commented
>about trying to make sure Woldrun didn't get a lot out of it.
>

Not exactly. Not starting any discussion of it here, just commenting on your assumption.

But that's not a comment on your deserving or not, you obviously did.

If players put forth the effort, they have the potential to be rewarded well for their time well spent.

This potential comes in the form of roles, RP, contests, quests, etc. I literally broadened the Thror quest to embrace four cabals. The quest was outlined and detailed with multiple endings. Only a couple of people actually ran with the quest.

Everyone that had a major role in the Thror Quest got rewards. I took the liberty to decide which rewards were most fitting. Some people were thankful and others *ahem* bitched about what they got. Oh well.

I'll agree with Woldrun here. I was told by Yean that he was humble enough to refuse more immortal rewards. I can and did respect this. Immortals are not obligated to give rewards. We do so to help enhance the user experience. You should consider any reward a privilege.

I still had no clue that this was Twist. I knew it was a talented player, but he asked me a pretty noobish question about the War room (IC) that made me reconsider that it could be an immortal. Especially someone who has spent his entire IC career at War with Battle. That's right T, I said it! BANG BANG!

I've literally been throwing out so many IC opportunities at people that it's rediculous. I've been hitting up Orcs, BattleRagers, Outlanders, Empire.

All you have to do is uphold your end of the bargain. If you can't, you're brittle.

I love you!

Dude, if you get anything it's rocking, and I didn't even bitch when you promised to forge me a weapon and then never did! (well, until now if you want to label this as bitching )

But yup, just being a part of all the crazyness in that quest was fun, so I am happy with that.

Thats why i love you twistypoos!! You give a calm and reasonable answer when someone's attacking you. Reminds me of Isildur.

Is the massive amounts of Imm experience you received. You probably deserved it all... but I haven't seen anyone with 18000 post edges. And a part of me, so badly, wants to say thats excessive. Fact is, a few edges can cover a couple or a few of player concerns. But you pretty much got whatever you wanted at will, while most players have to pick and choose wisely what they want.

For the record though, I enjoyed what I saw of Woldrun. And judging by the goodbye thread, he was well respected. GLWYN--and there better be a next.

Woldrun is number 21!!!!!

And not all of them above him are pre-edges. I know for certain that ATLEAST 7 chars have recieved more IMM-XP POST-edges. The others I have no clue about. Check it out yourself. You can list it at QHCF.

I've interacted with Woldrun with three chars. 1 battle, 1 scion and my current. All experiences were class act! I'm 100% certain it was all well deserved. And anyways, we all just LOVE Twists chars!

Edges went in at the end of 2006. Looking at characters created since Jan. 1, 2007:

Mizfara: 23,000
Waris: 20,750
Ruhktanshi: 20,350
Ktaar: 19,491
Etielise: 18,200
Woldrun: 18,050

Mizfara, Waris and Ktaar are definitely not imms. Not sure about Ruhktanshi, but I'm pretty sure he isn't. No idea on Etielise.

n/t

of those characters' classes have class specific edges already, though? And did they ever have the opportunity to their class specific edges before they deleted? I don't have the time to look it up myself... sorreh.

A leader weapon that progged fire, a tattoo that progged fire, a spell that did a lot of fire damage (and lowered health regen rates for ages), and a spell that gave even fire giants a fire vuln. And just in case, a spell to resist heat too.

No one screamed favouritism then. And as an assassin with a variably awesome damage boosting edge and ultra-backfist the addition of these spells could be considered overpowering by most.

This might be true if Twist's characters were universally rewarded. Afaik they haven't been. He had another nexus sword spec that didn't get much love. Same for his battle assassin. All the other Twist-played characters I know were cabal leaders. Cabal leaders generally tend to get watched more and consequently rewarded more, regardless of whether they're Twist or not.

That I don't think anyone has pointed out yet is that Twist's standout characters are typically played to con or age death.

A character who's around for 500+ hours typically comes up with more stuff than shorter-lived characters. Probably they'll come up with more stuff than 5 100-hour characters (which is more my style.)

ntnt

Daevryn said:

"A character who's around for 500+ hours typically comes up with more stuff than shorter-lived characters."

How do Seyriannia and/or Izuhlzin disprove that?

Seyriannia got 7400 imm xp and a cabal edge. Izuhlzin got 2500 imm xp.

Both had some pretty negative imm comments, moreso Izuhlzin.

Could it be the case that shorter-lived characters played in the same manner these two longer-live characters were played would get even less imm xp?

But in case you think those two players were singled out, let's consider some other long-lived guys:

Inglor, elf paladin fort, 810 hours, 8700 imm xp.
Igbah, fire warrior scion, 789 hours, 9100 imm xp.
Synoria, elf paladin fort, 757 hours, 9150 imm xp.
Macha, elf muter outlander, 740 hours, 3500 imm xp.
Throkk, fire warrior outlander, 695 hours, 7600 imm xp.
Niheriva, elf paladin fort, 693 hours, 8950 imm xp.
Grecken, half-elf druid outlander, 635 hours, 6700 imm xp.

Now clearly Izuhlzin got less than these guys. He also had almost universally bad imm comments, meaning that just maybe he didn't deserve more imm xp. Seyriannia, on the other hand, got imm xp that was in the same ballpark as the characters listed above.

ntnt

Some of my characters, get a #### load lovin more than
others. True.

Compare a outtie druid with a battle warrior. One, has an
active Imm that empowers me, where-as another I have no Imms,
or religion. I get cabal/class specific edges as gifts, leadership,
tattoo, weapon, abilities, another I get nothing but PC respect.


Does one do better than the other?

Not at all, or of course!



It really depends on how you view it.


There is an RNG for Imm-attention just as much as
there is for Bash. Everyone can't be everywhere at
the same time.

Woldrun was a long lived character (name a char or three
of yours with 500plus hrs) that had quite an impact on CF.


I just feel it's a spit in the face and stiff kick in the junk
to throw out a post that questions the integrity and judgement
of immortals by calling out someone that's already one of the Immortals (likely through already judged past transgressons and current actions and likely future expectations) whom apparently
has almost, if not as much, as Nepenthe, in mortal character credibility.

Dude, seriously. This character wasn't riged with gifts, this character was a great player, and got a lot of gifts after the fact, and continued to play them out.

As Byren, I was half tempted to challenge Woldrun in the rites for Commander, after Thror basically said it was that easy, in lesser words.

Why didn't I?


Woldrun was the better characater, the better player, the better roleplayer, and IC, would have kicked my ass.


I consider myself one of the big dogs, and Woldrun kept this puppy on the porch.

Enough said.

As someone who fought Woldrun on a regular basis, and interacted with him. He deserved everything he got. His roleplay was good, he wasn't a ####, and he always made every login fun when he was about. I don't care if he was played by Jesus or Twist, he deserved the rewards he got and he was an excellent character. Instead of bitching about it, why don't you roll a character that does better?

If you put out the effort you get rewarded. If you put out the effort and are religious you get more attention. If you put out the effort and are a cabal leader you get more attention. If you put out the effort and are involved in a major imm run quest you get more attention. Seeing a trend here?

I can't really ever remember feeling like I didn't get enough love for the amount of effort I put into a char. My chars generally don't last more than 400 hours and I have had a string that have gotten a lot of imm love.

I didn't interact with Woldrun, but I have interacted with Twist's morts and I'm never disappointed. In fact, he's almost always one of my favorite enemies to have.

To Twist, keep on keepin on. Ignore any douchebags like this. Your morts DO make the game a much better place. You are definitely one of my favorite players to run into whether as an enemy or an ally.

They should be given more rewards. They are supposed to be the strongest warriors in the land. Commander should get 2 legacies extra, and drillmaster 1 extra, of their choice. Plus leader perks. Its not like they are not fodder. Look at their PK records. They should be forces equal to holding their own with a scion leader or emporer

It had to do with how much imm xp he got. These were both extremely long lived cabal leader characters. It shouldn't be so surprising when it is revealed how much love they got.

I don't think Vhloughvang was played by an imm, but, he still got tons of love. I personally like it when imms reveal their mortals. If they get more love then my characters I generally believe it is because they know how to play solid characters. I mean, they themselves are the ones who read roles, reward them and the RP/PK aspects of characters. Having this knowledge probably makes them more intune with what their imm colleagues will reward.

I loved Iltanthal, I loved Woldrun, I loved Hunsobo with another char, I didn't meet Feilinal, I met Fobrin once or twice, and I interacted quite abit with Meagara (Interesting dragon schizophrenia human shaman Shokai). Loved all your chars. Play more morts! You do so much for the game that way.

Lots of love =)

hey man, again, you kicked alot of ass ass a commander, but you and lohik both being gone #### man that sucks bad for the village.

For you personally, yeah, I knew I was fighting twist. If you remember during your return a village assassin caught up to you at the old masters tower and attacked you there, that was me. cough. I had a few masters over the years and such, few twist follwers, I knew you were twist and knew if there was a villager that was gonna be tough was you. hunsobo wasnt as tough though as igbah for some reason. owwie. likely because igbah had the eq hunsobo wanted.

but man another kickass character. make more

Damn. I go on a little vacation and the lot of you fall apart. I really can't say enough good things about you. It didn't matter what was happening and what odds we faced, when you logged on, I think everyone knew it was gonna be alright. You were a fantastic leader to echo everything everybody else is saying and I truly appreciate as a player how definitive you were with the direction of the cabal, and moreso how you actively sought out applicants as soon as they had their support. And always asking us to speak with them. The proactive approach was just another thing that made this cabal so much fun. You'll be missed.

The times we spent, as you said, were few but it felt like you were reading my mind in tact and action. Normally, as you were saying something I was in the middle of typing and hitting enter of the action. I can't agree with all of your decisions but I did like the majority of them and you were for certain one heck of a fighter. One of the char's I try to strive to be like, as far as killing and dealing damage are considered. As Hunsumbo or whatever his name was, I was your enemy and I must say its much easier being your ally. I'd invite you back to battle whenever your feeling the urge. I don't know if someone has picked it up yet, but I'll spring for the pbf.

You broke that char's back it was either fight you and die or avoid you and just have an unfun existence. The char last death I knew pretty much all the eq would still be in the corpse cause thats just how you roll...but i think it was game over for me. Again I saw you around with non heros and you remained a class act. I see yet another Twist mortal and have nothing bad to say... isnt that something?

much love

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Bard Repertoire Clarifications:
http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=6&topic_id=23735&mesg_id=23735&page=

Serious question.

I count three, but I'm not a Twist stalker so I'm sure there are more. Hunsobo, Woldrun, Feilinal.

I think RC winners would be Hunsobo, Woldrun, and Feilinal, like Isildur said. Actually looking back it looks like Feilinal didn't win any RC's. I don't recall if Iltanthal did.

The interesting part on the RC's is Bonthos and Woldrun's roles - neither are ones that I, myself, would probably reward. While Feilinal and Bonthos' I'd have been all over with RC-winning-lovin'. Different tastes.

As for leaders, since I've been back...hmm. Five that I can think of.
Hunsobo
Fobrin
Feilinal
Iltanthal
Woldrun

Well Meagara might count as "since I've been back" - I wasn't back as Twist, but it was after my hiatus.

As for prior to that hiatus, I had several. I doubt I could remember them all.

And in fact I spent 6 months helping write for a couple shows, Including comedy scripts for a friend of mine in Hollywood.

I love to read but I can honestly say I can't recall enjoying a single role contest winner's role. What's more (With you being the only exception) I've never even liked the winners or the runners up.

I think I entered my last role contest in late 06 or 2007 after I made a huge investment into style and content of a role and all I recieved was a 'good role but not up to par comment in the PBF. In the same PBF a Imm made a comment that he didn't understand my role when each chapter was a concise play book for the next step of his life on his way to the end goal. That goal was clearly and simply stated in the first paragraph which was..'This character wants to do X.'

I also don't like the role contests because to me they seem like writing assignments that cater to a select few who seem to pen in their wish list for fancy edges.

I do make roles for my characters ad play them but I no longer put any real effort into them (And still get the 1500 and 2000 divines exp bonuses.)

I guess I feel like the Role Contests don't pay off high enough to risk failure and disappointment.

What is it about your roles that you feal endears you to such success? I know I don't have it.

The roles I wrote that sorta had role contests in mind (or at least the thought of "this should be as entertaining for someone to read as it is for me to write") didn't go very far at all. Feilinal's in particular took a lot of work to write because I did some fancy deal on the left column that ended up naming the book I was pseudoquoting. For instance his first role entry was a Wheel of Time-themed one. Next one was Sword of Truth-ish. And so on.

No love on those roles beyond the basic immxp.

I'm not complaining, mind you! That's how the ball bounces.

The funny thing is, Hunsobo (RC runnerup I think) and Woldrun (RC winner) both had roles that were written much more as "spur of the moment" type things. Like the char had a bit of downtime and I thought to myself "what's next for this character?"

Maybe that's the formula for success? Don't have your entire role planned out before you roll the char? I dunno.

It was a rough couple of days, but then this char started getting stale a while ago, so it was time to go. At least Lohik and I retrieved the Head before we went down.

Goodbyes - good lord, where to start?

Imms:
Yean: You're a very good imm. You run a good religion, interact with your followers well, and do a great job with the cabal. Thanks for all the chats and stuff!

Thror: Welcome back. You're definitely a positive for the cabal and CF in general. As for the quest, meh, I had some not-so-shining moments myself. So it goes. Setfracture is OP.

Kasty, Ysal: I didn't interact much with you guys, but thanks for the times I did.

Iunna: Thanks for everything. You were like the friendly aunt who'd bring cookies (ale) for the kids. Very cool. Thanks for the legacy too. Heh.

Daevryn: Thanks for running the trivia contest deal, and the edges.

Borkadh: We had great times when you were mortal. As you can guess, you're in my role a few times. Thanks for everything.

Marcatis: Thanks for running the RC and choosing my role. I didn't think I had a prayer that month for "overall", but I figured I might get the "learning" theme part. Then you turned around and did it the opposite. Guess that's why different imms run RC's each month!

Other Imms: Part of Woldrun's role was to try to visit with each Imm he could, to please his father, and a lot of you were willing to talk with me for a few minutes. Thanks for that and everything else.

Oof. This is a long list. I think I'm going to not mention you if you're dead already. Sorry.

Battle:
Ghrummin: Nice work as DM, it's all you now until the Rites, keep up the good work.

Malakhi: You da man. Keep on truckin'. Love your RP too.

Bartis: You were great to have around at my side.

Hudralon: We didn't group much, but when we did it was a pretty tough combo.

Quas: I know we didn't see eye to eye but I did like your "kill'm all" attitude. Hope the next Commander can keep you under control (assuming it isn't you?)

Lohik: You increased Woldrun's tanking ability by a factor of 10 it seemed like. We made a great team. Glad we went out together but retrieved the Head.

Others: Many of you seemed to stop showing up, presumably due to Battle being uberpowerful for a while. But then Nexus got quite strong, and Empire's numbers grew, and pretty soon it was Battle that was outnumbered. Which was fine, I mean, more fights right? Hope you all are enjoying whatever you are playing instead.


Others:
Nexus:
Calbaseeti you're effin' annoying. Nice work with that.
Kyaltaru you generally ate my face. Giant's worst nightmare isn't a bard. It's a bard with a competant healer to help him. And a giant to bash for him.
Cabnil: You were all like...gone. And then you started showing regularly again. What up with that? Enjoyed our fights.
Bogrel: Kill-stealing ####.
Lots of others, but these are fresh in my mind.

Empire:
It was a very bleh night, so I don't have a lot of good things to say. Not saying you did anything wrong, but it's tough to say nice things when you go out like I did, so I'll just say good luck with staying strong.

Tribunal:
Adeglicfh: It would've been really nice to get you at least once. I came close a few times.
Jedidiah: You hindered my kills on numerous occasions. Dammit. Good job.
Artenno: Got close on you too, but like I said - not my enemy.

Fortress:
Humbert: Kickass. Keep truckin'.
Tialan: Thanks for trying to help tonight.
Didn't interact with any others a terrible lot.

Edika: Thanks for the intel and presents.

I know I'm forgetting a ton of you but I'm tired. Eleven deaths in one day will do that to you.

Well done man. I see where you get the crude jokes from .

Yes. I'm 12. When it comes to my sense of humor anyway.

I played one character that got destroyed in one round by you. Glad my main now never had a reason to get in the way of those unspeakable blades. GLWYN. salute!

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c demon
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c wrath bitch
c summon slipperyjim
c wrath slipperjim

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I killed you solo without her lots of times. The times I didn't die were the times where the competent healer came in. There's not much a wood elf bard can do vs. a badass bashing/driving giant in bloodthirst, I might as well not even show up.

Your log of our arpee that you posted on Dio's seemed to get misconstrued. Hopefully you understood, though, that Woldrun wasn't whining about odds, he was commending you for being one of the few to, essentially pwnz0r him fair and square.

Which you did numerous times.

The point is, the only time I had a CHANCE to kill you (25% chance, maybe?) was if you were alone, and made some form of mistake. With Calbaseeti around, that chance went down to zero. Then it was more like "Can I try to get lucky and when I fail, get away?" Then add in *insert random nexun warrior here* to bash me and the chances of getting away dropped radically too.

Does this mean Twist is going to throw more lightning bolts at me again? =(

Nah. While Twist isn't necessarily a fan (bards. Bah. Who needs'm? No spells.), he sure doesn't dislike you either.

I will greatly miss Woldrun.

I have to admit, I knew it was you for the last few weeks. You started to take on Hunsobo's same sense of humor and knack for double entendres.

What an awesome character. What a huge impact on the way Battle played the cabal. It was a great pleasure. And I wish Malakhi had gone down first.

Woldrun had that same sense of humor from day one - he just mostly only shared it with groupmates or friends. Once he was Commander for about a month or so, he started being a little more free with it over CB.

"And I wish Malakhi had gone down first."
Woldrun would be making some comment here.

Immediately after you semi-rotd'd me. Even placed bets on it. :-P


Well done.

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Dunno how many times we hung out, I took you to dragons/helped with Quaggoth a bunch not even an honorable mention!

Some day, I will get a twist follower off the ground. Woldrun was awesome bud, good job.

-S

I said I wasn't going to mention you if you were already dead, more or less!

But yeah it was fun the few times we hung out. And killing you (I think?). That was fun too.

You were beastus maximus.

I remember when I was playing my voker you were a nightmare to handle. Could never figure out which major shield protected from drive and SoE wouldn't help because you'd go HTH.

Aeinrez fought you twice, I think. Neither time went well.

Great commander. Makes me wish I had played a villager during your reign.

Quas: I know we didn't see eye to eye but I did like your "kill'm all" attitude. Hope the next Commander can keep you under control (assuming it isn't you?)

In some ways quas and woldrun were a lot alike but at their core I think they represent almost complete opposites of the village spectrum. For Quas there is only one thing, killing mages, woldrun seemed to be a lot more about honor then killing mages (not saying you weren't about killing mages but our priorities were reversed). I was planning on taking you to the circle about our disagreement eventually (ie if I ever found a no remove axe in stock haha). I am sure you had to listen to a lot of whining about me, most of it was baseless but at the same time I am sure it was annoying.

And under control? I think a handful of people who don't have a clue are just being very loud but if my record doesn't reflect my not getting distractedness I would be very surprised.

Anyways enough about me woldrun was a great enemy in my previous incarnations and you did a stand up job of bringing in and retaining a lot of talented players in the village. I hope to see woldrun on the pillar someday and wish you the best of luck with your next... make a mage and feel the pincer!

I don't mean hunting non-magi or anything, I mean starting wars with any cabal that battle doesn't already war with.

And yeah, I listened to a ####-ton of whining about you. But none of it really seemed justified, other than what I talked to you about, so...meh.

~

It was a rough day, so nice things weren't coming easily to mind.

Now that I've had a decent night's sleep, though, I will say that you definitely treated Woldrun with a respect that you didn't seem to have for any others. You've got a way of treating people better if they act exactly like you think they should, and I guess you thought Woldrun did that?

As I said to you IC, you were one of the few mages who would actually fight me one-vs-one for any length of time (a few Scions, a Nexun or two, and a few others being largely the other ones).

I do think the critique of you never fighting when you think you've got a chance to lose is relatively fair, though. I can't blame you for it, especially against RBW who might get a lucky round of 3 deathblows or whatever, but it DOES put the "willing to fight me one-vs-one" into perspective a bit.

Thanks for the phylactery. At that point my respect went up for you pretty big, because you had misunderstood my challenge/deal/whatever but you agreed to it and you honored it - it was very LAWFUL evil of you to do. And without that, the whole Throrquest would've been stuck for a while.

Oh and for your own enjoyment, your phylactery UNSPEAKED Susubienko during the quest and killed her. So you know, maybe you consider that a fair trade in the end.

I fought you solo alot, it just seemed when we was fighting others would just come in attack you too. I kinda hated that but can't revert and tell them to back off without getting one rounded. Think the one time I did get you though I had Kyalturu with me so I couldn't kill you solo, but I'd sure fight like hell to do it.

>It was a rough day, so nice things weren't coming easily to
>mind.
Yes, though you were in suicide mode, so I decided to help you a bit

>Now that I've had a decent night's sleep, though, I will say
>that you definitely treated Woldrun with a respect that you
>didn't seem to have for any others. You've got a way of
>treating people better if they act exactly like you think they
>should, and I guess you thought Woldrun did that?

Yes and it's hard to say why I respected Woldrun so much. I think it was because you were really hard to deal with and you were not asshole. Plus I saw that you really pushing your limits and make your cabal to do the same. To be fair you are far from being only one to get such treatment though you probably were one of the top of my beloved enemies.

No, it's not that you acted like I want you to act, because I saw it mostly from non-ahtieli points of view. From Ahtieli point of view you acted like I wanted last two nights, though I didn't really want you suicide like you did.

And I feel sorry for taking you out in imperial lands when you came to attack other mages there. Only after you died I realised that rest of raiders did not word out and actualy raiding me, otherwise I would go to the palace for a defence leaving you alone.



>I do think the critique of you never fighting when you think
>you've got a chance to lose is relatively fair, though. I
>can't blame you for it, especially against RBW who might get a
>lucky round of 3 deathblows or whatever, but it DOES put the
>"willing to fight me one-vs-one" into perspective a bit.

That's probably come more from imm expirience than Woldrun's. However few of my logouts did not look well, after you logged in but you know my playing times so staying online at 6-7AM during working week is not good idea period.
Also I would say that I don't want to fight when I have ~0 chances to take somebody down or achive anything like making my enemies run from the palace or get codex back. Honestly I don't see reason of going into a fight with words "Kill me, baby!" when I don't get ANYTHING(even respect) from it at ALL. However from time to time(rarely) I go fight groups that have high chances to kill me.

>Thanks for the phylactery. At that point my respect went up
>for you pretty big, because you had misunderstood my
>challenge/deal/whatever but you agreed to it and you honored
>it - it was very LAWFUL evil of you to do. And without that,
>the whole Throrquest would've been stuck for a while.

Yep I ####ed up there because it's bad to make deals while you are killing someone, but I just could not break my word due my role and my ooc persona. Perhaps giving you phylactery led me to be throwed away of this quest.. there goes my "only" chance to get involved into a global quest .

>Oh and for your own enjoyment, your phylactery UNSPEAKED
>Susubienko during the quest and killed her. So you know, maybe
>you consider that a fair trade in the end.
Heh

I was always happy to see a weapon I forged out destroying everything that moved in your hands. A little envious that I couldn't even come remotely close to beating people down like you could.

Think the funniest thing I saw was hearing Woldrun actually ask for help in getting him out of Kteng's Lab. I had absolutely no idea how to walk out from where you were, but hey, paladin's have to try, and luckily I saw something that my detect passage missed, and it got us out.

It was kinda neat that I learned something there, and you did too. I actually learned a lot about several areas with this char, since that was part of his role (studying Terrain as part of his extra studies as a Yean-ite).

I saw much of Woldrun from many different angles with a
few different characters. I always loved the RP from him.

The Most memorable part was when I was playing a shifter and killed
one of your villagers right in front of you. Then another one killed
me right after in front of you. Then you gave me the option of
kicking him out of the village. I think that was awesome.
But I dont want to break someone elses fun stick unless I'm sure
they deserve it.

After I got bored of that character I decided to play Marsen.
Which was quite fun until I kept getting my ass kicked everywhere.
Funny thing is that the one who was killing me all the time deleted
the same day. I guess it wasnt just him though.

At any rate, Loved the RP.
Hope to interact with you again at some point.
Good luck with the next.

Zephon

I was very happy you didn't say you thought he should be booted. You handled it really well.

He ended up getting booted anyways, IIRC, later.

Great character. Classy, incredibly strong, very committed to his ideals and the cabal. Huge loss for battle. Thanks for all the talks.

Were you sincere in what you were telling me, or were you really just some Scion lackey who was playing good cop to Shalsad's bad cop?

100% sincere. Also not sure where the Scion lackey even came from other than I considered Victacar and Messervy good help for Tribunal's enforcement. Re Shalsad, I don't want to reveal too much because he is still alive and well but I had my hands full with him and really at the end of the day could not control what he did. (Vindicator's authority is beyond the Provost in certain ways. But Marcatis is my witness, I did try to change things a bit.) Shalsa'ds methods were effective (and legit), but we disagreed on how we approached many things (looting being one). I did sincerely think that Battle and Tribunal could achieve some sort of a cease fire... which I think we did but there was a lot more unease than I had hoped for.

Woldrun was a great character. Looking forward to your next.

Won't say too much since I'm still lurking, but great commander. Loved how you would teach us things without sounding preachy or without us even knowing we were being taught.

You have my vote for the pillar. =)

I told my buddy right after you got commander, this is twisty. Then when you had like 3 specs and and ever how many legacies, I was like see told you it was twist. Awesome job on one tough ass cloud warrior man. Seriously well done, I inducted you as Luggbok served as Drillmaster, and fought you with Caztor. I will say this though, the day you took off from the Chasm and I said I expected more from you and you replied and I quote "Ok ignoring you now" that was kinda a punch in the gut man. I was just be honest with you and you got a non roleplayish attitude with me. Other than that though another top notch character of yours which made the game a better game. Keep them coming man!

Johnnyboy

Luggbok Caztor Wilona Burrgyn Raheena and many more I have long forgotten

You and I had many battles and I think that we built up a grudging respect for one another.

I enjoyed fighting against you, discussing religion with you, as well as our other discussions.

~

Knew it was you pretty early after I was inducted, but all that did was make it less strange when you'd bust out with esoteric area or game knowledge, and hearing your puns and such, a real Twist "tell". Very enjoyable though, don't change it.

I'll echo what Thror said that I think Woldrun was an excellent commander in many ways, one who made choices and saw them through, who led well and inspired the rest to do things, and of course was a force to be reckoned with when it came down to the basic purpose of any and all ragers, killing mages and enemies. We did disagree on a few policy and general philosophy issues, particularly where you changed longstanding village traditions, but that was your prerogative as commander and as I said to you in-game, I'd tell you that privately, but never in front of "the men" and I'd always support your decisions, once made.

I do have one question though, if you don't mind. Did you know I only had about 100 hours to go, even with the leader aging slow-down, when you chose Susu for drillmistress?

Good job yet again and enjoy your next.

BTW, if you ever figure out who I'm playing, please don't send me an OOC tell using my real name again. Maybe it shouldn't have been that way, but from that point on my whole Susubienko feeling was bleh.

I apologized then, and I apologize again now. I was wrong. I was rather upset at what had just happened and was getting ready to delete because of it, hence my tell, which as it turns out Thror was snooping on anyway. Not an excuse, just an explanation.

As for the age thing, if you did know, I think it makes it all the more classy that you gave it to her anyway. Either way, thanks for doing so.