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LyristeonFri 20-Aug-10 07:33 AM
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#34900, "RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long)"


          

>See the difference is when you go after a "repeat offender"
>it doesn't come across to everyone like you're doing the right
>thing. It looks like you're holding this individual to a
>higher standard so that you can start drama with them.

It doesn't look like we are holding them to a higher standard at all. Most people play with the "normal" standard. They are REPEAT offenders who get busted for REPEATING the same offenses.

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>Not everyone interprets it that way, but enough people
>interpret it that way that I'm inclined to say either ban them
>or treat them like everyone else.

They are treated like everyone else when it comes to the rules. The only difference is they repeat the offenses. Just like at our judicial system. Plenty of them have the "3 Strikes and Your Out" rule. We are way more lenient than that.

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>This half and half treatment of letting them play but holding
>them to a higher standard *causes* drama. And its predictable
>and preventable.

See above.

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>Do you think anyone would care if you banned a repeat
>offender? No, probably not. But holding them to a higher
>standard while not banning them causes people to perceive
>inconsistency and risk when dealing with you. That perception
>causes hostility.

See above.

>
>Edited to add: Regarding the whole laissez-faire thing, I
>have no idea what you're driving at here. It's like you guys
>have a hammer and now every situation looks like a nail.
>There's many, many ways to deal with things to achieve results
>and sometimes the best answer is to really do nothing,
>insomuch as its inconsistent. Nothing I've said on this
>thread is controversial and most of it is just common sense.
>Let's face it, this isn't a party. This is a game, one that
>people have put years of programming into and years playing
>and spend weeks writing up roles for and invest hundreds of
>hours into their characters on. It's not a casual weekend
>party. If you "bounce" someone's char after they spend 200
>hours on it, they're going to be a lot more angry at you then
>if you toss them out of a party. Drop the bad analogy already
>or keep walking into the same wall over and over again and
>blaming other people for it.

Broken down to the most basic concept is that CF is a free optional place for you to hang out as long as you don't cause problems. If you cause problems, you will get "bounced". It is not the place of business that you are trying to make it out to be.

  

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HOT TopicAgain, I say: [View all] , Stunna, Wed 18-Aug-10 04:36 PM
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Reply Imms are too soft., Shapa, 19-Aug-10 09:26 PM, #43
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     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), HammerSong, 18-Aug-10 11:43 PM, #2
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     Reply :), trewyn, 21-Aug-10 12:51 AM, #67
          Reply "the time between the fun and not fun is too big", Thinhallen, 21-Aug-10 03:05 PM, #68
               Reply RE: , Daevryn, 21-Aug-10 08:46 PM, #69
     Reply Good post, one point., A2, 20-Aug-10 03:09 AM, #53
     Reply like (n/t) (meant to be under Valg's post)*, Nnaeshuk, 19-Aug-10 12:24 PM, #13
     Reply Great post., Asthiss, 19-Aug-10 02:07 AM, #3
     Reply Thanks for the link inside., Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 06:38 AM, #5
     Reply I think at this point..., vargal, 19-Aug-10 06:54 AM, #6
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Jhyrbian, 19-Aug-10 08:36 AM, #7
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:04 AM, #8
     Reply Well said, Torak, 19-Aug-10 12:37 PM, #14
     Reply Nope. 2003., Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 05:46 PM, #30
          Reply Ah~, Torak, 19-Aug-10 07:43 PM, #39
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 12:44 PM, #15
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), ORB, 19-Aug-10 12:55 PM, #16
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 01:35 PM, #19
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 03:17 AM, #54
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 20-Aug-10 08:02 AM, #61
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 12:05 PM, #63
                    Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 20-Aug-10 01:10 PM, #64
                         Reply There's a lot going on in this thread, A2, 20-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #65
     Reply I disagree that it's dogma., Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #31
          Reply Removed my southwest discussion, off topic. n/t, Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 10:03 PM, #46
          Reply As someone who has worked in several restaurants..., TMNS, 20-Aug-10 12:17 AM, #52
     Reply Talk about inflated ego., _Magus_, 19-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #26
          Reply Umm..., Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 08:34 PM, #41
               Reply RE: Umm..., Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:52 PM, #47
                    Reply Yup NT, Lyristeon, 20-Aug-10 07:23 AM, #59
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Zulghinlour, 19-Aug-10 01:05 PM, #17
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 01:49 PM, #18
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 01:56 PM, #20
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 02:38 PM, #22
               Reply It goes both ways, Torak, 19-Aug-10 02:19 PM, #25
               Reply RE: It goes both ways, Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #36
                    Reply Well..., Torak, 19-Aug-10 07:43 PM, #38
                         Reply RE: Well..., Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #40
                              Reply As someone you've talked to ooc about mechanics, Stunna, 20-Aug-10 06:04 PM, #66
               Reply Good post, probably. n/t, Stunna, 19-Aug-10 02:25 PM, #27
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 03:24 AM, #55
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Lyristeon, 20-Aug-10 07:33 AM #60
          Reply <3, Torak, 19-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #21
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 06:33 PM, #33
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:39 PM, #45
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #37
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:31 PM, #44
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 11:23 PM, #50
                    Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 20-Aug-10 08:35 AM, #62
                         Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Daevryn, 21-Aug-10 08:51 PM, #70
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Zulghinlour, 19-Aug-10 09:34 PM, #42
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 10:01 PM, #48
                    Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 03:32 AM, #56
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Stunna, 19-Aug-10 02:10 PM, #24
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 10:10 PM, #49
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), ORB, 19-Aug-10 09:22 AM, #9
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 03:34 AM, #57
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), ORB, 20-Aug-10 07:05 AM, #58
     Reply Newbie Channel pt2., Kalageadon, 19-Aug-10 10:19 AM, #10
     Reply Good post, MoetEtChandon, 19-Aug-10 12:01 PM, #11
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Malakhi, 19-Aug-10 12:14 PM, #12
     Reply Wow, thanks for writing out what I was thinking! Hopefu..., Stunna, 19-Aug-10 02:06 PM, #23
     Reply Party analogy, Quixotic, 19-Aug-10 04:28 PM, #28
     Reply RE: Party analogy, Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 06:56 PM, #35
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Vintus (Anonymous), 02-Sep-10 12:17 AM, #73
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