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ZulghinlourThu 19-Aug-10 09:17 PM
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#34881, "RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long)"
Edited on Thu 19-Aug-10 09:34 PM

          

>It's destructive because its inherently hostile and negative,
>coming from a top level Admin of the game. I don't want to be
>where I'm not wanted, I could care less about your game if
>you could care less about wanting other people to play. It
>reads like, "If you ever have a problem go **** yourself, we
>don't care." That's the message you're projecting, whether its
>the one you want to project or not because its an inherently
>negative post.

I agree with both Valg & Daev on this point, and don't think it's hostile at all. We're all entitled to those opinions.

>You guys don't have a laisez-faire attitude, as an aside.
>
>What would I do? I'd start by telling Imms that can't keep it
>together to not post and not interact with people. Less is
>more. Better to be thought as a jerk than proven one.

Oops...missed a response. Personally, I think responding to any of these rules infractions on a public forum is stupid, and isn't going to be successful no matter how much diplomacy you have on your side.

>In general, you foster positive environments with positive
>behavior. If you're generating more negative situations than
>you're generating positive situations then what do you expect
>to happen? Most people's sole interactions with Imms is being
>criticized. Imm goes over CB and says, "Why don't we have our
>cabal item?" Etc. It's inherently hostile and it fosters
>hostility back towards you.

The problem I have with your arguments is that you ONLY focus on the negative (or what you perceive as negative), for every "Why don't we have our cabal item?" there are empowerments, random snoops/interaction, etc. I'd also argue that having someone call you out over CB isn't hostile, it's pushing you to actually roleplay your character.

>Edited to add: In most of these comparable analogies to other
>online games, they have "faces" that talk on the forums.
>There is a reason for that, it keeps the signal to noise and
>drama minimized. Power tripping about banning people isn't
>going to do you any favors but if you disagree with me, hey,
>stop threatening and go for it just don't hold your breathe
>for great results. Most of the arguments you guys have is not
>about what you do, its about what you *say* and how you guys
>handle perception.

This is why I don't typically discuss this #### on the forums. If you've got a problem, mail the imps/imms or pray in game. That of course doesn't stop people from constantly posting here or on Dioxide's about it. So the noise continues to drown out the signal.

So long, and thanks for all the fish!

  

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HOT TopicAgain, I say: [View all] , Stunna, Wed 18-Aug-10 04:36 PM
Reply is it only a lack of vision?, vorian, 22-Aug-10 04:07 PM, #71
Reply RE: is it only a lack of vision?, Isildur, 22-Aug-10 04:33 PM, #72
Reply Imms are too soft., Shapa, 19-Aug-10 09:26 PM, #43
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     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), HammerSong, 18-Aug-10 11:43 PM, #2
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     Reply :), trewyn, 21-Aug-10 12:51 AM, #67
          Reply "the time between the fun and not fun is too big", Thinhallen, 21-Aug-10 03:05 PM, #68
               Reply RE: , Daevryn, 21-Aug-10 08:46 PM, #69
     Reply Good post, one point., A2, 20-Aug-10 03:09 AM, #53
     Reply like (n/t) (meant to be under Valg's post)*, Nnaeshuk, 19-Aug-10 12:24 PM, #13
     Reply Great post., Asthiss, 19-Aug-10 02:07 AM, #3
     Reply Thanks for the link inside., Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 06:38 AM, #5
     Reply I think at this point..., vargal, 19-Aug-10 06:54 AM, #6
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Jhyrbian, 19-Aug-10 08:36 AM, #7
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:04 AM, #8
     Reply Well said, Torak, 19-Aug-10 12:37 PM, #14
     Reply Nope. 2003., Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 05:46 PM, #30
          Reply Ah~, Torak, 19-Aug-10 07:43 PM, #39
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 12:44 PM, #15
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), ORB, 19-Aug-10 12:55 PM, #16
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 01:35 PM, #19
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 03:17 AM, #54
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 20-Aug-10 08:02 AM, #61
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 12:05 PM, #63
                    Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 20-Aug-10 01:10 PM, #64
                         Reply There's a lot going on in this thread, A2, 20-Aug-10 05:57 PM, #65
     Reply I disagree that it's dogma., Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 06:02 PM, #31
          Reply Removed my southwest discussion, off topic. n/t, Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 10:03 PM, #46
          Reply As someone who has worked in several restaurants..., TMNS, 20-Aug-10 12:17 AM, #52
     Reply Talk about inflated ego., _Magus_, 19-Aug-10 02:32 PM, #26
          Reply Umm..., Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 08:34 PM, #41
               Reply RE: Umm..., Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:52 PM, #47
                    Reply Yup NT, Lyristeon, 20-Aug-10 07:23 AM, #59
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Zulghinlour, 19-Aug-10 01:05 PM, #17
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 01:49 PM, #18
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 01:56 PM, #20
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 02:38 PM, #22
               Reply It goes both ways, Torak, 19-Aug-10 02:19 PM, #25
               Reply RE: It goes both ways, Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 07:24 PM, #36
                    Reply Well..., Torak, 19-Aug-10 07:43 PM, #38
                         Reply RE: Well..., Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 08:02 PM, #40
                              Reply As someone you've talked to ooc about mechanics, Stunna, 20-Aug-10 06:04 PM, #66
               Reply Good post, probably. n/t, Stunna, 19-Aug-10 02:25 PM, #27
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 03:24 AM, #55
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Lyristeon, 20-Aug-10 07:33 AM, #60
          Reply <3, Torak, 19-Aug-10 01:57 PM, #21
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Valguarnera, 19-Aug-10 06:33 PM, #33
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:39 PM, #45
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 07:26 PM, #37
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 09:31 PM, #44
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Daevryn, 19-Aug-10 11:23 PM, #50
                    Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 20-Aug-10 08:35 AM, #62
                         Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Daevryn, 21-Aug-10 08:51 PM, #70
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Zulghinlour, 19-Aug-10 09:34 PM #42
               Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 10:01 PM, #48
                    Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), A2, 20-Aug-10 03:32 AM, #56
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Stunna, 19-Aug-10 02:10 PM, #24
          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 10:10 PM, #49
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), ORB, 19-Aug-10 09:22 AM, #9
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          Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), ORB, 20-Aug-10 07:05 AM, #58
     Reply Newbie Channel pt2., Kalageadon, 19-Aug-10 10:19 AM, #10
     Reply Good post, MoetEtChandon, 19-Aug-10 12:01 PM, #11
     Reply RE: Short-term vs. long-term retention (long), Malakhi, 19-Aug-10 12:14 PM, #12
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