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Vortex MagusThu 25-Jun-09 11:29 PM
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#25467, "Dwoggurd's logic is impeccable here"


          

He takes the argument Daevryn presents and then pushes it to the logical extreme in order to reveal the inherent flaw within the guy's article.

Basically, the playing to win article says "Everything is balanced and good players, instead of whining and crying, abuse all bugs/exploits/little tricks in order to win, and thats a good thing. Except lets just contradict that entire previous assertion by saying that there are indeed situations where playing exclusively to win completely destroys games, such as the Akuma situation"

But he sets super vague parameters on what an "Akuma" situation is - apparently the majority of the pro community agrees that there is a problem with allowing Akuma, but what constitutes majority, what constitutes pro, and when does scrub whining change to legitimate game balance issue?

The entire article is saying something like playing to win is good in balanced games, creating multiple layers of sophistication and higher level play, while bad in games with akuma-level imbalances. Which is unhelpful at best, since everyone will have a different opinion on what what a "balanced" game is and where it becomes imbalanced.

  

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HOT Topic"Playing to win" By daervyn [View all] , Funnyone, Thu 25-Jun-09 08:27 AM
Reply The article in question, DurNominator, 22-Jun-10 10:04 AM, #26
Reply Pretty sure some people missing an important point here..., Tsunami, 25-Jun-09 10:12 PM, #15
Reply Ok, here is my Valg type answer, Dragomir, 25-Jun-09 01:09 PM, #8
Reply RE:, Daevryn, 25-Jun-09 08:58 AM, #3
Reply Further:, Daevryn, 25-Jun-09 09:02 AM, #4
Reply It's not poker, Dwoggurd, 25-Jun-09 09:49 AM, #5
     Reply RE: It's not poker, Isildur, 25-Jun-09 10:22 AM, #6
     Reply RE: It's not poker, Daevryn, 25-Jun-09 12:09 PM, #7
          Reply Re, Dwoggurd, 25-Jun-09 05:33 PM, #9
          Reply This argument is too extreme., Artificial, 25-Jun-09 07:29 PM, #10
          Reply You are reinforcing the arguement., Theerkla, 25-Jun-09 07:48 PM, #11
          Reply There is a difference between *tactic* and *insta-win*, Artificial, 25-Jun-09 08:45 PM, #12
               Reply Slay is not insta-win, Dwoggurd, 25-Jun-09 08:54 PM, #13
                    Reply Lol., Artificial, 25-Jun-09 09:15 PM, #14
          Reply Dwoggurd's logic is impeccable here, Vortex Magus, 25-Jun-09 11:29 PM #16
               Reply The fact remains:, Daevryn, 25-Jun-09 11:41 PM, #17
                    Reply RE: The fact remains:, Sarien, 26-Jun-09 08:31 AM, #18
                    Reply RE: The fact remains:, Isildur, 26-Jun-09 10:09 AM, #19
                    Reply Too specific...., Straklaw, 27-Jun-09 03:35 AM, #20
                    Reply Only if you define it one way., Odrirg, 28-Jun-09 03:50 PM, #23
                    Reply hehhehehe, Odrirg, 28-Jun-09 03:35 PM, #22
                    Reply Or,, Pro, 23-Jun-10 12:54 AM, #27
          Reply RE: Re, Eskelian, 21-Jun-10 02:30 PM, #24
               Reply I tap 2 mana and cast...Thread Necromancer! nt, Artificial, 21-Jun-10 03:13 PM, #25
          Reply grass is always greener, Terwin05, 27-Jun-09 08:57 AM, #21
Reply RE:, Aarn, 25-Jun-09 08:43 AM, #2
Reply Someone needs a nap. nt, Splntrd, 25-Jun-09 08:43 AM, #1
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