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HumbertWed 28-Dec-16 04:31 PM
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#66031, "I would support the same rule for neuro/bash as well"


          

I should note that neuro can be geared against using svpar. In fact, the Sleep spell also falls into a roughly similar category, except is that you can take certain precautions such as not being in an area with a possible summon trap room, having high svspell. The sleep user also needs to approach visibly and attempt to get the first spell off before the victim attacks.

Bash is harder: enlarge/reduce won't stop a skilled basher with a consider target macro. Personally (despite the number of people claiming giant warriors are weak) I think giant bash is still competitive because it is overpowered vs those few combos vulnerable to it (to a degree that there's a good chance that victim cannot do anything, regardless of skill, to survive, once the first bash goes down). It means basically that I will never again play any combos vulnerable to perma-bash.

I've posted a log of being perma-lagged by Krunk over 15 rounds of combat as a prepped/decked Defiance-wielding Fortitude-having 2h elf paladin with 100% evasion and Evasive edge. 15 rounds of perma-lag is a bit much.

If coding were not a constraint I think a good balancing mechanism is to have a counter that increments each time a "perma-lag-possible" move is made, e.g. trip/cheapshot, throw/wind-knocking-GC, big neuro, bash > 2 rounds. Past a certain count, it will be impossible to get a perma-lagging version of the skill landing.

So you might, as a giant basher, be able to count on 6 (for example) consecutive rounds of bash lag, but no more than that. So to get your kill, you have to get your opponent low enough and then unleash the 6-round lag + flurry for the win. To compensate, the chance of a > 2 round bash could go up for the first time the basher uses it.

  

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HOT TopicAssassins are broken. [View all] , Athioles, Mon 26-Dec-16 08:45 AM
Reply RE: Assassins are broken., SideStrider, 28-Dec-16 10:16 PM, #85
Reply Assassin Solution, Jormyr, 28-Dec-16 10:40 PM, #86
     Reply could start by tweaking the maledicts down, Dallevian, 28-Dec-16 11:18 PM, #87
     Reply I'd propose the following, Kstatida, 29-Dec-16 03:13 AM, #88
          Reply I dunno, incognito, 29-Dec-16 05:02 AM, #89
               Reply Hey I think -30 maladicts are quite enough, Kstatida, 29-Dec-16 05:48 AM, #90
     Reply FWIW - I don't think these complaints would be here if ..., Sarien, 29-Dec-16 10:36 AM, #96
     Reply Easy. Get rid of the ground control edge., Quixotic, 29-Dec-16 11:34 AM, #97
     Reply Get rid of trance - keep the edge ;)., Sarien, 29-Dec-16 02:01 PM, #99
     Reply You could code, laxman, 29-Dec-16 06:45 PM, #102
Reply RE: Assassins are broken., Humbert, 28-Dec-16 09:30 AM, #70
Reply RE: Assassins are broken., Jormyr, 28-Dec-16 09:59 AM, #71
     Reply To a point, yeah, N b M, 28-Dec-16 10:20 AM, #72
     Reply RE: Assassins are broken., Umiron, 28-Dec-16 10:54 AM, #74
     Reply RE: Assassins are broken., Jormyr, 28-Dec-16 12:34 PM, #76
          Reply Removing the class entirely would suck though. n/t, Lhydia, 28-Dec-16 01:13 PM, #77
               Reply RE: Removing the class entirely would suck though. n/t, N b M, 28-Dec-16 04:08 PM, #81
     Reply I would support the same rule for neuro/bash as well, Humbert, 28-Dec-16 04:31 PM #82
          Reply re: Orc, Tac, 29-Dec-16 09:05 AM, #95
Reply Yeah, Marcus_, 27-Dec-16 09:19 PM, #56
Reply Not sure if you've played assassin lately but..., Lhydia, 27-Dec-16 11:07 PM, #57
Reply RE: Assassins are broken., Jarmel, 27-Dec-16 04:20 PM, #50
Reply Orc bash + SF + Cheap shot..., Sarien, 27-Dec-16 04:43 PM, #52
     Reply RE: Orc bash + SF + Cheap shot..., Jarmel, 27-Dec-16 06:50 PM, #55
     Reply Perfected savage feeding is BRUTAL., TMNS, 28-Dec-16 12:05 AM, #58
Reply Assassins are fine., ice king, 27-Dec-16 01:46 PM, #45
Reply Boom. n/t, Lhydia, 27-Dec-16 02:00 PM, #46
Reply RE: Assassins are fine., Jarmel, 27-Dec-16 04:22 PM, #51
Reply Yes., ice king, 27-Dec-16 06:40 PM, #54
Reply What you seem to ignore, incognito, 28-Dec-16 07:39 AM, #65
Reply A few random thoughts:, Umiron, 27-Dec-16 11:15 AM, #40
Reply It's those master edges that feel broken., Murphy, 27-Dec-16 12:17 AM, #36
Reply Agreed, Calion, 27-Dec-16 12:17 PM, #42
     Reply I like the one that lets me vanish better. n/t, Lhydia, 27-Dec-16 01:02 PM, #43
Reply I have this feeling that Nep would laugh at you, -flso, 26-Dec-16 11:32 PM, #35
Reply With all due respect., Athioles, 27-Dec-16 03:05 AM, #37
Reply Remove martial trance. n/t, Saagkri, 26-Dec-16 10:51 PM, #33
Reply Ground control is the key, DeathIncarnate, 26-Dec-16 06:04 PM, #28
Reply Am I the only one that mostly uses trip? n/t, Lhydia, 26-Dec-16 06:18 PM, #30
Reply People should take notes about this, Destuvius, 26-Dec-16 04:50 PM, #26
Reply No doubt. , TMNS, 28-Dec-16 12:06 AM, #59
     Reply Everyone inspires you to roll another Transmuter., Onewingedangel, 28-Dec-16 07:03 PM, #84
Reply Don't bother (n/t), N b M, 26-Dec-16 04:32 PM, #24
Reply Well, we've talked about this a bunch..., TMNS, 26-Dec-16 03:56 PM, #20
Reply You are good at pk., Lhydia, 26-Dec-16 02:39 PM, #13
Reply he'd die a lot without hide, Dallevian, 26-Dec-16 03:30 PM, #18
Reply I don't know about 'a lot"., Athioles, 27-Dec-16 04:15 AM, #39
     Reply What race was Sindrir?, ice king, 27-Dec-16 02:30 PM, #47
Reply Shaapa got gate nerfed and was one reason Healers got n..., TMNS, 26-Dec-16 03:59 PM, #22
     Reply What healer are you talking about?, Navarone1984, 26-Dec-16 04:36 PM, #25
          Reply RE: What healer are you talking about?, Umiron, 27-Dec-16 01:45 PM, #44
Reply Or tweak dex changes, incognito, 26-Dec-16 02:35 PM, #11
Reply This as well, Kstatida, 26-Dec-16 02:40 PM, #15
     Reply Fwiw, Destuvius, 26-Dec-16 04:07 PM, #23
          Reply Thing is, that axespec should be duergar, Kstatida, 26-Dec-16 06:00 PM, #27
          Reply A few points., Athioles, 27-Dec-16 03:07 AM, #38
               Reply 3 makes me mad :(, TMNS, 28-Dec-16 12:08 AM, #60
          Reply RE: Fwiw, incognito, 26-Dec-16 06:08 PM, #29
               Reply WM is opposite of high str, Destuvius, 26-Dec-16 06:58 PM, #31
Reply I have a better proposal, Kstatida, 26-Dec-16 11:42 AM, #10
Reply Are you playing an assassin?, incognito, 26-Dec-16 02:37 PM, #12
     Reply I don't think that's a problem, Kstatida, 26-Dec-16 02:39 PM, #14
          Reply RE: I don't think that's a problem, incognito, 26-Dec-16 02:45 PM, #17
               Reply Which I think should be more available as well, Kstatida, 28-Dec-16 03:22 AM, #63
Reply Some disagreement, Jormyr, 26-Dec-16 11:07 AM, #6
Reply I largely agree with your analysis, Kstatida, 26-Dec-16 11:16 AM, #7
Reply RE: I largely agree with your analysis, Destuvius, 26-Dec-16 11:28 AM, #8
     Reply This is true, Kstatida, 26-Dec-16 11:38 AM, #9
     Reply What's that quote?, TMNS, 28-Dec-16 12:09 AM, #61
Reply RE: Some disagreement, incognito, 26-Dec-16 02:43 PM, #16
Reply Heh., TMNS, 26-Dec-16 03:54 PM, #19
Reply Scion despoiled transmuters were breaking the game, reg..., -flso, 26-Dec-16 11:20 PM, #34
     Reply I had 60 pks at the level you get duo with a transmuter..., TMNS, 28-Dec-16 12:12 AM, #62
Reply RE: Some disagreement, Isildur, 26-Dec-16 08:56 PM, #32
     Reply RE: Some disagreement, incognito, 27-Dec-16 11:35 AM, #41
          Reply RE: Some disagreement, Isildur, 27-Dec-16 03:57 PM, #48
               Reply Edged throw + ground control will hit DEMO DEMO., TMNS, 27-Dec-16 04:10 PM, #49
                    Reply RE: Edged throw + ground control will hit DEMO DEMO., Isildur, 27-Dec-16 04:53 PM, #53
                         Reply OMG BUT THEY WILL TRIP, Lhydia, 28-Dec-16 07:31 AM, #64
                              Reply We're not seeing more of their abilities., Navarone1984, 28-Dec-16 08:07 AM, #66
                                   Reply Once again., Lhydia, 28-Dec-16 08:27 AM, #67
                                        Reply Ok, that's fine., Navarone1984, 28-Dec-16 08:37 AM, #68
                                        Reply RE: Ok, that's fine., Lhydia, 28-Dec-16 08:58 AM, #69
                                        Reply Really? Trip?, Murphy, 28-Dec-16 10:53 AM, #73
                                        Reply Yeah but most people don't use trip., Navarone1984, 28-Dec-16 11:37 AM, #75
                                             Reply RE: Yeah but most people don't use trip., Destuvius, 28-Dec-16 01:13 PM, #78
                                        Reply With no edges, incognito, 28-Dec-16 02:34 PM, #79
                                             Reply One round lag on missed trip., Lhydia, 28-Dec-16 03:18 PM, #80
                                                  Reply Lies. You only play paladins. NT, TMNS, 28-Dec-16 05:07 PM, #83
                                                  Reply Umm what?, Kstatida, 29-Dec-16 05:49 AM, #91
                                                       Reply No, Jalim speaks the truth., Murphy, 29-Dec-16 05:57 AM, #92
                                                            Reply Not entirely correct. Maybe 1.5?, Tac, 29-Dec-16 08:55 AM, #93
                                                                 Reply 1.(6) or thereabouts. (nt), Umiron, 29-Dec-16 09:03 AM, #94
                                                                      Reply Holy Molly!, Kstatida, 29-Dec-16 12:44 PM, #98
                                                                           Reply New like 1994..., Sarien, 29-Dec-16 04:09 PM, #100
                                                                                Reply As an assassin, I prefer throw, Kstatida, 29-Dec-16 05:02 PM, #101
Reply Much respect to you, Humbert, 26-Dec-16 10:57 AM, #5
Reply Balrahd kinda did with Ktaar :), TMNS, 26-Dec-16 03:57 PM, #21
Reply Any thoughts on edges maybe?, Kstatida, 26-Dec-16 10:18 AM, #1
     Reply RE: Any thoughts on edges maybe?, Athioles, 26-Dec-16 10:25 AM, #2
     Reply Didn't you know? Throw doesn't win fights., Navarone1984, 26-Dec-16 10:25 AM, #3
          Reply You mistake throw for deathblow, Kstatida, 26-Dec-16 10:32 AM, #4
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