>I feel qualified to comment on this now that I just played my
>second long term assassin. My first went 179-4, my second
>206-6 (pbf will have to confirm, that's just from my records).
>Now I'll say I'm good at pk. I don't know that I'm 385-10
>good.

Honestly, I don't think this says anything about assassins, specifically. I think this says *you* play assassins well. Does marcus' pklist with warriors mean they're broken? Or Amora and druids? Laearrist (Krunk) and orcs? Take any other player and give them the class, and the numbers aren't nearly the same. I'm not awful at CF, and my last assassin went about 10 - 30.

>I split time between the two. Cainasir was mostly a rank
>sitter who used assassinate and Nazarates was mostly dedicated
>to hero range who did not use assassinate *at all*. I felt
>insanely OP at both ranges. Did sigil help? Sure. Did I need
>it? No.

You're understating what you had. Sigil, tactics (auto-trip is good both for sealing kills and running away if you need), evil align gives you lots of options to kill *and* good typically has much less ability to see hidden.

>Throw is better than any lagging attack warriors get. Their
>defenses (especially with a certain buki) let me go through
>warriors like a knife through butter. Kote/kans/axe
>kick/ground control gives way too much juice. I could go on
>but it's been rehashed a dozen times.

This I might give you, as from what I recall, it was pretty reliable to land and has a good bit of damage potential. I think some of the "fault" of assassins that they lose a lot of those skills when attacking someone not attacking them tends to lose steam with smaller numbers.

>
>After Cainasir I recommended some edges be moved and they
>were. It helped but not enough. After Naz I'd recommend the
>following:
>
>Remove the following skills:
>Endure: make assassins gear for saves an ac if they want it.
>Poison darts: make assassins fight groups without being able
>to confuse.

I'm not certain these would make a significant enough difference I see much point to this. Endure's a nice start, but meh. And poison darts? That's a skill that 90% of the time people suggest is useless/needs buffing.

>Move the following skills:
>Throw: Move it to 30. Force lowbie assassins to use kicks and
>trip to lag.
>Ground Control: Move it to 42. It completely wrecks the middle
>ranges.

Throw itself isn't so bad, maybe at some point someone could glance at the damage scaling. 24 might be a bit early for this, but I wouldn't say this is such a top-end power to be hero-range only.

>Radical solution:
>Make assassins limited like minotaurs/azures.

Yeah, no. This does nothing to stop someone someone from racking up kills with assassins, just eliminates the other 12 guys who stink at it.

>Just my two cents. There's a reason why the recent kills list
>on dios is now 80% assassins. They just have too many tricks
>for almost every single situation they encounter.

That just means all the people posting are playing assassins. When everyone *thinks* assassins are unbeatable and plays one, of course there's not going to be any logs except assassins fighting people. Taking Nazarates out of the pk stats, there are only two other assassins in the top 40. That's 8% of the top PK list. Given that assassins currently account for 10% of characters, they're actually not faring as well as they should. Warriors dominate the top pk list with over 50% of the top 40 pkers, while accounting for less than a quarter of characters.

Not that long ago, transmuters were the OP class of the day. Before that, what...evil conjurer? It runs its course, then people figure out it's not as easy as it's been made to look, and move on.

As it stands, now that Nazarates is out of the picture, the remaining assassins in the game have a combined PK record of 79/128. To me, that suggests that you're the outlier, rather than the class in general. This is where rather than rolling up another assassin, someone should roll up a duergar mace spec or such and have some fun.