N b M | Wed 28-Dec-16 10:20 AM |
Member since 29th Sep 2005
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#66021, "To a point, yeah"
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It isn't just the assassin class, it is specific edges that enhance multiple facets of their strengths.
Assassins have always been good defense against weapons they know, amazing maledictions, decent minor healing over a long period of time, stealth.
With a few edges, you take two skills and enhance them a ridiculous amount.
Martial trance is defenses and damage reduction, add on an edge and now it is defenses against ALL weapons (assassins historic weakness was maces and axes).
Throw is trip lag, decent damage, malediction Add two edges... Now it can perma lag, do more damage, and maledict better (or worse, depending on your side)
Skills that do more than one thing are generally go to skills. Pincer for example does real good damage and lags. If you are a mace spec would you rather trip or do cranial? In most cases you go to the same lag skill that also does more damage. With those edges you can not only perma lag someone out you can do insane damage and drop their stats, that is 3 facets instead of just 2. That is why it is too powerful.
It isn't characters having too many edges (though that was a hair extreme, I will admit). It is certain edges were made too strong. Look at when Nep played his wood-elf, those edges were made way way way too strong and then subsequently toned down. No one had played out the ground fighter and nage waza edges yet, they are too strong. If you want to add to the damage they do, or to the maledicts, or to the fact that you can now through other assassins and hand specs (which is all it should be, honestly). Then it brings it back down to earth.
Also, fix edge points.
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Assassins are broken.
[View all] , Athioles, Mon 26-Dec-16 08:45 AM
RE: Assassins are broken.,
SideStrider,
28-Dec-16 10:16 PM, #85
Assassin Solution,
Jormyr,
28-Dec-16 10:40 PM, #86
could start by tweaking the maledicts down,
Dallevian,
28-Dec-16 11:18 PM, #87
I'd propose the following,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 03:13 AM, #88
I dunno,
incognito,
29-Dec-16 05:02 AM, #89
Hey I think -30 maladicts are quite enough,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 05:48 AM, #90
FWIW - I don't think these complaints would be here if ...,
Sarien,
29-Dec-16 10:36 AM, #96
Easy. Get rid of the ground control edge.,
Quixotic,
29-Dec-16 11:34 AM, #97
Get rid of trance - keep the edge ;).,
Sarien,
29-Dec-16 02:01 PM, #99
You could code,
laxman,
29-Dec-16 06:45 PM, #102
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Humbert,
28-Dec-16 09:30 AM, #70
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Jormyr,
28-Dec-16 09:59 AM, #71
To a point, yeah,
N b M,
28-Dec-16 10:20 AM #72
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Umiron,
28-Dec-16 10:54 AM, #74
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Jormyr,
28-Dec-16 12:34 PM, #76
Removing the class entirely would suck though. n/t,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 01:13 PM, #77
RE: Removing the class entirely would suck though. n/t,
N b M,
28-Dec-16 04:08 PM, #81
I would support the same rule for neuro/bash as well,
Humbert,
28-Dec-16 04:31 PM, #82
re: Orc,
Tac,
29-Dec-16 09:05 AM, #95
Yeah,
Marcus_,
27-Dec-16 09:19 PM, #56
Not sure if you've played assassin lately but...,
Lhydia,
27-Dec-16 11:07 PM, #57
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Jarmel,
27-Dec-16 04:20 PM, #50
Orc bash + SF + Cheap shot...,
Sarien,
27-Dec-16 04:43 PM, #52
RE: Orc bash + SF + Cheap shot...,
Jarmel,
27-Dec-16 06:50 PM, #55
Perfected savage feeding is BRUTAL.,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:05 AM, #58
Assassins are fine.,
ice king,
27-Dec-16 01:46 PM, #45
Boom. n/t,
Lhydia,
27-Dec-16 02:00 PM, #46
RE: Assassins are fine.,
Jarmel,
27-Dec-16 04:22 PM, #51
Yes.,
ice king,
27-Dec-16 06:40 PM, #54
What you seem to ignore,
incognito,
28-Dec-16 07:39 AM, #65
A few random thoughts:,
Umiron,
27-Dec-16 11:15 AM, #40
It's those master edges that feel broken.,
Murphy,
27-Dec-16 12:17 AM, #36
Agreed,
Calion,
27-Dec-16 12:17 PM, #42
I like the one that lets me vanish better. n/t,
Lhydia,
27-Dec-16 01:02 PM, #43
I have this feeling that Nep would laugh at you,
-flso,
26-Dec-16 11:32 PM, #35
With all due respect.,
Athioles,
27-Dec-16 03:05 AM, #37
Remove martial trance. n/t,
Saagkri,
26-Dec-16 10:51 PM, #33
Ground control is the key,
DeathIncarnate,
26-Dec-16 06:04 PM, #28
Am I the only one that mostly uses trip? n/t,
Lhydia,
26-Dec-16 06:18 PM, #30
People should take notes about this,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 04:50 PM, #26
No doubt. ,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:06 AM, #59
Everyone inspires you to roll another Transmuter.,
Onewingedangel,
28-Dec-16 07:03 PM, #84
Don't bother (n/t),
N b M,
26-Dec-16 04:32 PM, #24
Well, we've talked about this a bunch...,
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:56 PM, #20
You are good at pk.,
Lhydia,
26-Dec-16 02:39 PM, #13
he'd die a lot without hide,
Dallevian,
26-Dec-16 03:30 PM, #18
I don't know about 'a lot".,
Athioles,
27-Dec-16 04:15 AM, #39
What race was Sindrir?,
ice king,
27-Dec-16 02:30 PM, #47
Shaapa got gate nerfed and was one reason Healers got n...,
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:59 PM, #22
What healer are you talking about?,
Navarone1984,
26-Dec-16 04:36 PM, #25
RE: What healer are you talking about?,
Umiron,
27-Dec-16 01:45 PM, #44
Or tweak dex changes,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:35 PM, #11
This as well,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 02:40 PM, #15
Fwiw,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 04:07 PM, #23
Thing is, that axespec should be duergar,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 06:00 PM, #27
A few points.,
Athioles,
27-Dec-16 03:07 AM, #38
3 makes me mad :(,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:08 AM, #60
RE: Fwiw,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 06:08 PM, #29
WM is opposite of high str,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 06:58 PM, #31
I have a better proposal,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 11:42 AM, #10
Are you playing an assassin?,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:37 PM, #12
I don't think that's a problem,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 02:39 PM, #14
RE: I don't think that's a problem,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:45 PM, #17
Which I think should be more available as well,
Kstatida,
28-Dec-16 03:22 AM, #63
Some disagreement,
Jormyr,
26-Dec-16 11:07 AM, #6
I largely agree with your analysis,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 11:16 AM, #7
RE: I largely agree with your analysis,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 11:28 AM, #8
This is true,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 11:38 AM, #9
What's that quote?,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:09 AM, #61
RE: Some disagreement,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:43 PM, #16
Heh.,
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:54 PM, #19
Scion despoiled transmuters were breaking the game, reg...,
-flso,
26-Dec-16 11:20 PM, #34
I had 60 pks at the level you get duo with a transmuter...,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:12 AM, #62
RE: Some disagreement,
Isildur,
26-Dec-16 08:56 PM, #32
RE: Some disagreement,
incognito,
27-Dec-16 11:35 AM, #41
RE: Some disagreement,
Isildur,
27-Dec-16 03:57 PM, #48
Edged throw + ground control will hit DEMO DEMO.,
TMNS,
27-Dec-16 04:10 PM, #49
RE: Edged throw + ground control will hit DEMO DEMO.,
Isildur,
27-Dec-16 04:53 PM, #53
OMG BUT THEY WILL TRIP,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 07:31 AM, #64
We're not seeing more of their abilities.,
Navarone1984,
28-Dec-16 08:07 AM, #66
Once again.,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 08:27 AM, #67
Ok, that's fine.,
Navarone1984,
28-Dec-16 08:37 AM, #68
RE: Ok, that's fine.,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 08:58 AM, #69
Really? Trip?,
Murphy,
28-Dec-16 10:53 AM, #73
Yeah but most people don't use trip.,
Navarone1984,
28-Dec-16 11:37 AM, #75
RE: Yeah but most people don't use trip.,
Destuvius,
28-Dec-16 01:13 PM, #78
With no edges,
incognito,
28-Dec-16 02:34 PM, #79
One round lag on missed trip.,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 03:18 PM, #80
Lies. You only play paladins. NT,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 05:07 PM, #83
Umm what?,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 05:49 AM, #91
No, Jalim speaks the truth.,
Murphy,
29-Dec-16 05:57 AM, #92
Not entirely correct. Maybe 1.5?,
Tac,
29-Dec-16 08:55 AM, #93
1.(6) or thereabouts. (nt),
Umiron,
29-Dec-16 09:03 AM, #94
Holy Molly!,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 12:44 PM, #98
New like 1994...,
Sarien,
29-Dec-16 04:09 PM, #100
As an assassin, I prefer throw,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 05:02 PM, #101
Much respect to you,
Humbert,
26-Dec-16 10:57 AM, #5
Balrahd kinda did with Ktaar :),
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:57 PM, #21
Any thoughts on edges maybe?,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 10:18 AM, #1
RE: Any thoughts on edges maybe?,
Athioles,
26-Dec-16 10:25 AM, #2
Didn't you know? Throw doesn't win fights.,
Navarone1984,
26-Dec-16 10:25 AM, #3
You mistake throw for deathblow,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 10:32 AM, #4
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