Jormyr | Wed 28-Dec-16 09:58 AM |
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#66020, "RE: Assassins are broken."
Edited on Wed 28-Dec-16 09:59 AM
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>A rule of CF balance should be: ganging should be the only way >to kill a skilled and prepared player from 100% to 0% without >any chance of them escaping despite them playing optimally.
Not saying your other points don't have some validity, but...Bash, anyone? Even taking steps to try to mitigate it, who hasn't been perma-bashed to death at some point as a non-mage/shaman/healer. Or what used to be more popular in the cheap shotting thief. Or the fun world of orcs. *Edit - or neurological disruption. Oh, how I have neurological disruption.
Ground control has a *chance* of perma-lag. Current logs are generally assassin's vs other melee, or each other. Glik's logs, for example, show him literally using his abilities to actually *improve* the assassin's chances and viability of throw. Sure, his style works great at a lot of situations, but you've got a matchup where both characters benefit from low auto-melee.
To your "rule", however - a lot of CF class balance comes from having various pieces of the puzzle at different amounts. Paladin's are amazing in a cage match, but little lag or flee prevention. Orcs have great lagging, but like defending with their faces. AP's have tons of options for any situation, but rarely an amazing one. I tend to think assassins have a generally jack-of-all-trades approach, but perhaps a little too much of each piece of the pie.
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Assassins are broken.
[View all] , Athioles, Mon 26-Dec-16 08:45 AM
RE: Assassins are broken.,
SideStrider,
28-Dec-16 10:16 PM, #85
Assassin Solution,
Jormyr,
28-Dec-16 10:40 PM, #86
could start by tweaking the maledicts down,
Dallevian,
28-Dec-16 11:18 PM, #87
I'd propose the following,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 03:13 AM, #88
I dunno,
incognito,
29-Dec-16 05:02 AM, #89
Hey I think -30 maladicts are quite enough,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 05:48 AM, #90
FWIW - I don't think these complaints would be here if ...,
Sarien,
29-Dec-16 10:36 AM, #96
Easy. Get rid of the ground control edge.,
Quixotic,
29-Dec-16 11:34 AM, #97
Get rid of trance - keep the edge ;).,
Sarien,
29-Dec-16 02:01 PM, #99
You could code,
laxman,
29-Dec-16 06:45 PM, #102
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Humbert,
28-Dec-16 09:30 AM, #70
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Jormyr,
28-Dec-16 09:59 AM #71
To a point, yeah,
N b M,
28-Dec-16 10:20 AM, #72
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Umiron,
28-Dec-16 10:54 AM, #74
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Jormyr,
28-Dec-16 12:34 PM, #76
Removing the class entirely would suck though. n/t,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 01:13 PM, #77
RE: Removing the class entirely would suck though. n/t,
N b M,
28-Dec-16 04:08 PM, #81
I would support the same rule for neuro/bash as well,
Humbert,
28-Dec-16 04:31 PM, #82
re: Orc,
Tac,
29-Dec-16 09:05 AM, #95
Yeah,
Marcus_,
27-Dec-16 09:19 PM, #56
Not sure if you've played assassin lately but...,
Lhydia,
27-Dec-16 11:07 PM, #57
RE: Assassins are broken.,
Jarmel,
27-Dec-16 04:20 PM, #50
Orc bash + SF + Cheap shot...,
Sarien,
27-Dec-16 04:43 PM, #52
RE: Orc bash + SF + Cheap shot...,
Jarmel,
27-Dec-16 06:50 PM, #55
Perfected savage feeding is BRUTAL.,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:05 AM, #58
Assassins are fine.,
ice king,
27-Dec-16 01:46 PM, #45
Boom. n/t,
Lhydia,
27-Dec-16 02:00 PM, #46
RE: Assassins are fine.,
Jarmel,
27-Dec-16 04:22 PM, #51
Yes.,
ice king,
27-Dec-16 06:40 PM, #54
What you seem to ignore,
incognito,
28-Dec-16 07:39 AM, #65
A few random thoughts:,
Umiron,
27-Dec-16 11:15 AM, #40
It's those master edges that feel broken.,
Murphy,
27-Dec-16 12:17 AM, #36
Agreed,
Calion,
27-Dec-16 12:17 PM, #42
I like the one that lets me vanish better. n/t,
Lhydia,
27-Dec-16 01:02 PM, #43
I have this feeling that Nep would laugh at you,
-flso,
26-Dec-16 11:32 PM, #35
With all due respect.,
Athioles,
27-Dec-16 03:05 AM, #37
Remove martial trance. n/t,
Saagkri,
26-Dec-16 10:51 PM, #33
Ground control is the key,
DeathIncarnate,
26-Dec-16 06:04 PM, #28
Am I the only one that mostly uses trip? n/t,
Lhydia,
26-Dec-16 06:18 PM, #30
People should take notes about this,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 04:50 PM, #26
No doubt. ,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:06 AM, #59
Everyone inspires you to roll another Transmuter.,
Onewingedangel,
28-Dec-16 07:03 PM, #84
Don't bother (n/t),
N b M,
26-Dec-16 04:32 PM, #24
Well, we've talked about this a bunch...,
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:56 PM, #20
You are good at pk.,
Lhydia,
26-Dec-16 02:39 PM, #13
he'd die a lot without hide,
Dallevian,
26-Dec-16 03:30 PM, #18
I don't know about 'a lot".,
Athioles,
27-Dec-16 04:15 AM, #39
What race was Sindrir?,
ice king,
27-Dec-16 02:30 PM, #47
Shaapa got gate nerfed and was one reason Healers got n...,
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:59 PM, #22
What healer are you talking about?,
Navarone1984,
26-Dec-16 04:36 PM, #25
RE: What healer are you talking about?,
Umiron,
27-Dec-16 01:45 PM, #44
Or tweak dex changes,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:35 PM, #11
This as well,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 02:40 PM, #15
Fwiw,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 04:07 PM, #23
Thing is, that axespec should be duergar,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 06:00 PM, #27
A few points.,
Athioles,
27-Dec-16 03:07 AM, #38
3 makes me mad :(,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:08 AM, #60
RE: Fwiw,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 06:08 PM, #29
WM is opposite of high str,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 06:58 PM, #31
I have a better proposal,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 11:42 AM, #10
Are you playing an assassin?,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:37 PM, #12
I don't think that's a problem,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 02:39 PM, #14
RE: I don't think that's a problem,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:45 PM, #17
Which I think should be more available as well,
Kstatida,
28-Dec-16 03:22 AM, #63
Some disagreement,
Jormyr,
26-Dec-16 11:07 AM, #6
I largely agree with your analysis,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 11:16 AM, #7
RE: I largely agree with your analysis,
Destuvius,
26-Dec-16 11:28 AM, #8
This is true,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 11:38 AM, #9
What's that quote?,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:09 AM, #61
RE: Some disagreement,
incognito,
26-Dec-16 02:43 PM, #16
Heh.,
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:54 PM, #19
Scion despoiled transmuters were breaking the game, reg...,
-flso,
26-Dec-16 11:20 PM, #34
I had 60 pks at the level you get duo with a transmuter...,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 12:12 AM, #62
RE: Some disagreement,
Isildur,
26-Dec-16 08:56 PM, #32
RE: Some disagreement,
incognito,
27-Dec-16 11:35 AM, #41
RE: Some disagreement,
Isildur,
27-Dec-16 03:57 PM, #48
Edged throw + ground control will hit DEMO DEMO.,
TMNS,
27-Dec-16 04:10 PM, #49
RE: Edged throw + ground control will hit DEMO DEMO.,
Isildur,
27-Dec-16 04:53 PM, #53
OMG BUT THEY WILL TRIP,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 07:31 AM, #64
We're not seeing more of their abilities.,
Navarone1984,
28-Dec-16 08:07 AM, #66
Once again.,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 08:27 AM, #67
Ok, that's fine.,
Navarone1984,
28-Dec-16 08:37 AM, #68
RE: Ok, that's fine.,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 08:58 AM, #69
Really? Trip?,
Murphy,
28-Dec-16 10:53 AM, #73
Yeah but most people don't use trip.,
Navarone1984,
28-Dec-16 11:37 AM, #75
RE: Yeah but most people don't use trip.,
Destuvius,
28-Dec-16 01:13 PM, #78
With no edges,
incognito,
28-Dec-16 02:34 PM, #79
One round lag on missed trip.,
Lhydia,
28-Dec-16 03:18 PM, #80
Lies. You only play paladins. NT,
TMNS,
28-Dec-16 05:07 PM, #83
Umm what?,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 05:49 AM, #91
No, Jalim speaks the truth.,
Murphy,
29-Dec-16 05:57 AM, #92
Not entirely correct. Maybe 1.5?,
Tac,
29-Dec-16 08:55 AM, #93
1.(6) or thereabouts. (nt),
Umiron,
29-Dec-16 09:03 AM, #94
Holy Molly!,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 12:44 PM, #98
New like 1994...,
Sarien,
29-Dec-16 04:09 PM, #100
As an assassin, I prefer throw,
Kstatida,
29-Dec-16 05:02 PM, #101
Much respect to you,
Humbert,
26-Dec-16 10:57 AM, #5
Balrahd kinda did with Ktaar :),
TMNS,
26-Dec-16 03:57 PM, #21
Any thoughts on edges maybe?,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 10:18 AM, #1
RE: Any thoughts on edges maybe?,
Athioles,
26-Dec-16 10:25 AM, #2
Didn't you know? Throw doesn't win fights.,
Navarone1984,
26-Dec-16 10:25 AM, #3
You mistake throw for deathblow,
Kstatida,
26-Dec-16 10:32 AM, #4
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