lasentia | Wed 14-Sep-16 12:06 PM |
Member since 27th Apr 2010
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#64919, "that's an interesting theory"
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I disagree though. People didn't farm PK EP because they didn't know the actual accrual system beyond PKs= EP, they had no idea about level based and such. Engaging in PK wasn't a farming behavior by the PB initially, it was just an accrued ancillary benefit that came from PKing.
Only once the system was known did people people attempt to farm it, as they would have no matter what obs/explore yielded in terms of EP (unless it awarded so many you could take every available edge)
You can't actually believe players would ever think they have enough edges to the point they wouldn't farm EP reward systems if they were able to and knew how. Some wouldn't, but the min/max style definitely would (it's an advantage, or it's greater customization, or whatever reason they choose to). If they can amass 5 more edges by engaging in behavior X with no downside, they're engaging in behavior X.
There's no such thing as "enough" edges to a player. I had 28 edges on Salyeris and 26 on Allysia, and if I did a discuss and could take another edge I thought might be useful on either of them I would have. I didn't say that's enough, I'm not taking any more edges even though I am able to. And I doubt any single player would say they wouldn't either. They might save for a more expensive edge, but they're not forgoing selecting another edge altogether after some point.
Twist fostered (inadvertently perhaps) PK farming with his detailing of the system. It's difficult to argue that wasn't a result which led to the necessity of altering (or in this case nuking) the PK EP system.
All heroes farm PKs, that's sort of what you do in CF, since PK is a big part of the game. But prior to Twist, people were not as often sitting at set level tiers trying to amass PKs because of the bonus EP it conferred, multi killing or otherwise in engaging in behavior they otherwise would not but for the sake of the EP benefit. Players, by their own admission, have compulsions to try to maximize these things far too often.
The only way your idea would make sense was if there were so few edges available that a player could run out of edges to take, so there was no bonus to farming because you'd end up in the same place. But even then people likely would, because they'd want to accrue those benefits as early as possible.
And as it stands, most characters have a minimum of maybe 35-40 edges they can choose from.
EP transparency was clamored for, but the end result once it was given was nothing but players looking for ways to maximize the system.
Too much transparency into edges probably did more harm to the system then anything else.
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Edgepoints
[View all] , Sarien, Wed 14-Sep-16 09:05 AM
Hehehe, like there's new players. There's no one left b...,
Serial Ranger,
16-Oct-16 11:02 PM, #74
There are new players.,
Aereglen,
17-Oct-16 12:00 AM, #75
Of course,
vorian,
19-Oct-16 06:58 PM, #76
RE: Edgepoints,
Bemused,
22-Sep-16 12:50 AM, #49
Well done Umi !,
vorian,
15-Sep-16 09:22 PM, #25
False.,
Aereglen,
16-Sep-16 01:42 PM, #31
Try to see it my way?,
vorian,
17-Sep-16 10:53 PM, #33
Conversely,
incognito,
18-Sep-16 01:28 AM, #34
RE: Conversely,
Destuvius,
18-Sep-16 05:24 AM, #35
Fighter, Cleric, Mage, Thief.,
Murphy,
18-Sep-16 06:58 AM, #36
DWARF CLERIC IN MASTER PLZ AND THX. NT,
TMNS,
18-Sep-16 08:35 PM, #37
Did somebody say...,
Umiron,
18-Sep-16 09:01 PM, #39
Slander and falsehoods.,
Jormyr,
18-Sep-16 11:48 PM, #40
Cock-tease :) NT,
TMNS,
19-Sep-16 01:51 PM, #43
I thought the same.,
Aereglen,
19-Sep-16 03:36 PM, #46
Umiron, I have to say....,
Doof,
20-Sep-16 04:50 AM, #47
This is already too much fluff...,
vorian,
18-Sep-16 08:58 PM, #38
RE: Conversely,
incognito,
19-Sep-16 03:22 PM, #45
Seriously...,
vorian,
22-Sep-16 05:30 PM, #50
RE: Seriously...,
incognito,
23-Sep-16 03:51 AM, #56
The absurdity here...,
vorian,
23-Sep-16 05:05 PM, #57
RE: The absurdity here...,
incognito,
24-Sep-16 02:59 PM, #58
Apparently,
vorian,
25-Sep-16 10:01 PM, #60
RE: Apparently,
incognito,
26-Sep-16 10:40 AM, #64
Obviously,
vorian,
29-Sep-16 05:08 PM, #65
RE: Obviously,
Kstatida,
29-Sep-16 06:11 PM, #66
You did it again,
vorian,
29-Sep-16 07:17 PM, #67
RE: You did it again,
Kstatida,
30-Sep-16 06:02 AM, #68
My name is Kstatida,
vorian,
30-Sep-16 07:34 AM, #69
Being someone's muse, I feel accomplished,
Kstatida,
30-Sep-16 08:02 AM, #70
RE: Well done Umi !,
Sarien,
19-Sep-16 12:53 PM, #41
RE: Well done Umi !,
Kstatida,
19-Sep-16 01:33 PM, #42
Some food for thought,
Destuvius,
19-Sep-16 01:55 PM, #44
Newbies, low and medium skilled players,
vorian,
22-Sep-16 06:18 PM, #51
Wat? Does that mean I'm a vet now?,
Murphy,
22-Sep-16 09:31 PM, #52
No you're OOP...,
vorian,
25-Sep-16 09:55 PM, #59
I can live with that.,
Murphy,
25-Sep-16 10:26 PM, #61
Actually this post is a counter example to itself,
KaguMaru,
26-Sep-16 09:47 AM, #62
Are you saying ,
vorian,
03-Oct-16 07:08 PM, #71
It's all the same,
Kstatida,
04-Oct-16 01:08 AM, #73
RE: Newbies, low and medium skilled players,
incognito,
26-Sep-16 10:35 AM, #63
Same as above to KaguMaru,
vorian,
03-Oct-16 07:12 PM, #72
I like the changes Umiron made.,
TMNS,
15-Sep-16 10:39 AM, #18
Edge points from dying?,
Marcus_,
14-Sep-16 08:01 PM, #11
Define the degree?,
lasentia,
14-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #4
This,
Warren,
14-Sep-16 10:35 AM, #5
Back in the day when you got EP for every 500 explore,
Murphy,
14-Sep-16 11:14 AM, #6
that's an interesting theory,
lasentia,
14-Sep-16 12:06 PM #9
Tail started to wag the dog.,
Warren,
14-Sep-16 12:19 PM, #10
Lol, I wasn't that serious.,
Murphy,
14-Sep-16 09:00 PM, #12
In so many ways, this.,
Jormyr,
14-Sep-16 11:54 PM, #13
RE: In so many ways, this.,
Andrlos,
15-Sep-16 01:22 AM, #14
I've done something similar on a few occasions,
Destuvius,
15-Sep-16 05:18 AM, #15
The instant you make the reward more than flair,
lasentia,
15-Sep-16 08:32 AM, #16
I wonder why do you play this game,
Kstatida,
15-Sep-16 10:39 AM, #19
Hey welcome back! NT,
TMNS,
15-Sep-16 10:36 AM, #17
Good to be back.,
Andrlos,
15-Sep-16 11:58 AM, #20
10 years? ####, I hate myself now :).,
TMNS,
22-Sep-16 10:08 PM, #53
only 10?,
laxman,
22-Sep-16 11:04 PM, #54
You don't remember I used to make fun of you guys for p...,
TMNS,
22-Sep-16 11:51 PM, #55
It was well known that X number of PKs got you edge poi...,
-flso,
15-Sep-16 07:02 PM, #22
Do you even play CF anymore?,
Destuvius,
15-Sep-16 07:49 PM, #23
I don't play anymore,
-flso,
20-Sep-16 08:24 PM, #48
RE: It was well known that X number of PKs got you edge...,
Demos,
15-Sep-16 09:13 PM, #24
Discussing things doesn't take much time,
Kstatida,
16-Sep-16 01:05 AM, #26
RE: Discussing things doesn't take much time,
Demos,
16-Sep-16 07:42 AM, #27
Oh,
Kstatida,
16-Sep-16 08:52 AM, #28
Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your ass...,
-flso,
15-Sep-16 03:30 PM, #21
RE: Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your...,
Kstatida,
16-Sep-16 08:53 AM, #29
He _IS_ the most relentless PKer around,
Murphy,
16-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #30
RE: Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your...,
incognito,
17-Sep-16 02:36 AM, #32
But warren claims it's a good change.,
Aereglen,
14-Sep-16 10:13 AM, #1
It is. No doubt IMMS will find a balanced solution, as ...,
Warren,
14-Sep-16 10:31 AM, #2
Don't count on it.,
Murphy,
14-Sep-16 11:19 AM, #8
However, the only really bad thing is...,
Warren,
14-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #3
Actually, shapeshifters are the least screwed.,
Murphy,
14-Sep-16 11:16 AM, #7
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