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lasentiaWed 14-Sep-16 12:06 PM
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I disagree though. People didn't farm PK EP because they didn't know the actual accrual system beyond PKs= EP, they had no idea about level based and such. Engaging in PK wasn't a farming behavior by the PB initially, it was just an accrued ancillary benefit that came from PKing.

Only once the system was known did people people attempt to farm it, as they would have no matter what obs/explore yielded in terms of EP (unless it awarded so many you could take every available edge)

You can't actually believe players would ever think they have enough edges to the point they wouldn't farm EP reward systems if they were able to and knew how. Some wouldn't, but the min/max style definitely would (it's an advantage, or it's greater customization, or whatever reason they choose to). If they can amass 5 more edges by engaging in behavior X with no downside, they're engaging in behavior X.

There's no such thing as "enough" edges to a player. I had 28 edges on Salyeris and 26 on Allysia, and if I did a discuss and could take another edge I thought might be useful on either of them I would have. I didn't say that's enough, I'm not taking any more edges even though I am able to. And I doubt any single player would say they wouldn't either. They might save for a more expensive edge, but they're not forgoing selecting another edge altogether after some point.

Twist fostered (inadvertently perhaps) PK farming with his detailing of the system. It's difficult to argue that wasn't a result which led to the necessity of altering (or in this case nuking) the PK EP system.

All heroes farm PKs, that's sort of what you do in CF, since PK is a big part of the game. But prior to Twist, people were not as often sitting at set level tiers trying to amass PKs because of the bonus EP it conferred, multi killing or otherwise in engaging in behavior they otherwise would not but for the sake of the EP benefit. Players, by their own admission, have compulsions to try to maximize these things far too often.

The only way your idea would make sense was if there were so few edges available that a player could run out of edges to take, so there was no bonus to farming because you'd end up in the same place. But even then people likely would, because they'd want to accrue those benefits as early as possible.

And as it stands, most characters have a minimum of maybe 35-40 edges they can choose from.

EP transparency was clamored for, but the end result once it was given was nothing but players looking for ways to maximize the system.

Too much transparency into edges probably did more harm to the system then anything else.

  

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HOT TopicEdgepoints [View all] , Sarien, Wed 14-Sep-16 09:05 AM
Reply Hehehe, like there's new players. There's no one left b..., Serial Ranger, 16-Oct-16 11:02 PM, #74
Reply There are new players., Aereglen, 17-Oct-16 12:00 AM, #75
     Reply Of course, vorian, 19-Oct-16 06:58 PM, #76
Reply RE: Edgepoints, Bemused, 22-Sep-16 12:50 AM, #49
Reply Well done Umi !, vorian, 15-Sep-16 09:22 PM, #25
Reply False., Aereglen, 16-Sep-16 01:42 PM, #31
Reply Try to see it my way?, vorian, 17-Sep-16 10:53 PM, #33
     Reply Conversely, incognito, 18-Sep-16 01:28 AM, #34
          Reply RE: Conversely, Destuvius, 18-Sep-16 05:24 AM, #35
               Reply Fighter, Cleric, Mage, Thief., Murphy, 18-Sep-16 06:58 AM, #36
               Reply DWARF CLERIC IN MASTER PLZ AND THX. NT, TMNS, 18-Sep-16 08:35 PM, #37
               Reply Did somebody say..., Umiron, 18-Sep-16 09:01 PM, #39
                    Reply Slander and falsehoods., Jormyr, 18-Sep-16 11:48 PM, #40
                    Reply Cock-tease :) NT, TMNS, 19-Sep-16 01:51 PM, #43
                    Reply I thought the same., Aereglen, 19-Sep-16 03:36 PM, #46
                    Reply Umiron, I have to say...., Doof, 20-Sep-16 04:50 AM, #47
               Reply This is already too much fluff..., vorian, 18-Sep-16 08:58 PM, #38
               Reply RE: Conversely, incognito, 19-Sep-16 03:22 PM, #45
                    Reply Seriously..., vorian, 22-Sep-16 05:30 PM, #50
                         Reply RE: Seriously..., incognito, 23-Sep-16 03:51 AM, #56
                              Reply The absurdity here..., vorian, 23-Sep-16 05:05 PM, #57
                                   Reply RE: The absurdity here..., incognito, 24-Sep-16 02:59 PM, #58
                                        Reply Apparently, vorian, 25-Sep-16 10:01 PM, #60
                                             Reply RE: Apparently, incognito, 26-Sep-16 10:40 AM, #64
                                                  Reply Obviously, vorian, 29-Sep-16 05:08 PM, #65
                                                       Reply RE: Obviously, Kstatida, 29-Sep-16 06:11 PM, #66
                                                            Reply You did it again, vorian, 29-Sep-16 07:17 PM, #67
                                                                 Reply RE: You did it again, Kstatida, 30-Sep-16 06:02 AM, #68
                                                                      Reply My name is Kstatida, vorian, 30-Sep-16 07:34 AM, #69
                                                                           Reply Being someone's muse, I feel accomplished, Kstatida, 30-Sep-16 08:02 AM, #70
Reply RE: Well done Umi !, Sarien, 19-Sep-16 12:53 PM, #41
     Reply RE: Well done Umi !, Kstatida, 19-Sep-16 01:33 PM, #42
     Reply Some food for thought, Destuvius, 19-Sep-16 01:55 PM, #44
     Reply Newbies, low and medium skilled players, vorian, 22-Sep-16 06:18 PM, #51
          Reply Wat? Does that mean I'm a vet now?, Murphy, 22-Sep-16 09:31 PM, #52
          Reply No you're OOP..., vorian, 25-Sep-16 09:55 PM, #59
               Reply I can live with that., Murphy, 25-Sep-16 10:26 PM, #61
          Reply Actually this post is a counter example to itself, KaguMaru, 26-Sep-16 09:47 AM, #62
          Reply Are you saying , vorian, 03-Oct-16 07:08 PM, #71
               Reply It's all the same, Kstatida, 04-Oct-16 01:08 AM, #73
          Reply RE: Newbies, low and medium skilled players, incognito, 26-Sep-16 10:35 AM, #63
               Reply Same as above to KaguMaru, vorian, 03-Oct-16 07:12 PM, #72
Reply I like the changes Umiron made., TMNS, 15-Sep-16 10:39 AM, #18
Reply Edge points from dying?, Marcus_, 14-Sep-16 08:01 PM, #11
Reply Define the degree?, lasentia, 14-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #4
Reply This, Warren, 14-Sep-16 10:35 AM, #5
     Reply Back in the day when you got EP for every 500 explore, Murphy, 14-Sep-16 11:14 AM, #6
          Reply that's an interesting theory, lasentia, 14-Sep-16 12:06 PM #9
               Reply Tail started to wag the dog., Warren, 14-Sep-16 12:19 PM, #10
               Reply Lol, I wasn't that serious., Murphy, 14-Sep-16 09:00 PM, #12
               Reply In so many ways, this., Jormyr, 14-Sep-16 11:54 PM, #13
               Reply RE: In so many ways, this., Andrlos, 15-Sep-16 01:22 AM, #14
               Reply I've done something similar on a few occasions, Destuvius, 15-Sep-16 05:18 AM, #15
               Reply The instant you make the reward more than flair, lasentia, 15-Sep-16 08:32 AM, #16
                    Reply I wonder why do you play this game, Kstatida, 15-Sep-16 10:39 AM, #19
               Reply Hey welcome back! NT, TMNS, 15-Sep-16 10:36 AM, #17
                    Reply Good to be back., Andrlos, 15-Sep-16 11:58 AM, #20
                         Reply 10 years? ####, I hate myself now :)., TMNS, 22-Sep-16 10:08 PM, #53
                              Reply only 10?, laxman, 22-Sep-16 11:04 PM, #54
                                   Reply You don't remember I used to make fun of you guys for p..., TMNS, 22-Sep-16 11:51 PM, #55
               Reply It was well known that X number of PKs got you edge poi..., -flso, 15-Sep-16 07:02 PM, #22
                    Reply Do you even play CF anymore?, Destuvius, 15-Sep-16 07:49 PM, #23
                    Reply I don't play anymore, -flso, 20-Sep-16 08:24 PM, #48
                    Reply RE: It was well known that X number of PKs got you edge..., Demos, 15-Sep-16 09:13 PM, #24
                         Reply Discussing things doesn't take much time, Kstatida, 16-Sep-16 01:05 AM, #26
                              Reply RE: Discussing things doesn't take much time, Demos, 16-Sep-16 07:42 AM, #27
                                   Reply Oh, Kstatida, 16-Sep-16 08:52 AM, #28
               Reply Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your ass..., -flso, 15-Sep-16 03:30 PM, #21
                    Reply RE: Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your..., Kstatida, 16-Sep-16 08:53 AM, #29
                    Reply He _IS_ the most relentless PKer around, Murphy, 16-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #30
                    Reply RE: Am I the only one who finds serious flaws with your..., incognito, 17-Sep-16 02:36 AM, #32
Reply But warren claims it's a good change., Aereglen, 14-Sep-16 10:13 AM, #1
     Reply It is. No doubt IMMS will find a balanced solution, as ..., Warren, 14-Sep-16 10:31 AM, #2
     Reply Don't count on it., Murphy, 14-Sep-16 11:19 AM, #8
     Reply However, the only really bad thing is..., Warren, 14-Sep-16 10:33 AM, #3
          Reply Actually, shapeshifters are the least screwed., Murphy, 14-Sep-16 11:16 AM, #7
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