>And they aren't going to magically come back just because
>Umiron is on a sabbatical.


Players just don't fight like they use to. youve got two leaders of a cabal that just don't fight at all. I've had three characters in the time they've been alive, and I've never seen them fight. Couple of them barely woke when they didn't have there item. The game has turned from one on one, to whatever it is certain cabals do when other members log on. Won't fight at all, and cannot drag them to a fight unless there are others awake to help or gang down that one person who fights alone.

Edge points changed the game. You now take edge points away for whatever reason and in the place of pk you've added observation as the main way of getting edge points.
Why should I, the outnumbered come to defend or get my item back when there's no incentive other than losing armor. Personally, I'm going to come defend or retrieve, but even then I know that's stupid because I will die. Watch those outnumbered and throw them a bone then.

Imm exp was suppose to help, but with all the bandwagon jumpers to the fortress because aarn is visible, there's no Imm exp for the rest of us.

There's quite a bit of people playing now that will not pk unless they have everything in there advantage. I'm always going to pk, but something to make all this risk worth it would help or make me want to continue to do so.

I'm still having fun though.