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DaevrynTue 26-Aug-14 07:53 PM
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#56408, "RE: This is a contentious issue."


          

Also relevant to this is that people have really different ideas of what constitutes multi-killing. (Often people also have very different ideas of what constitutes multi-killing when done to them vs. when they do it to others.)

I think someone who keeps right on someone and tries to kill them again as soon as they unghost without a very good reason has been pretty consistently frowned upon and isn't very controversial -- but this is a very very rare case in all honesty.

To me, the dictates of sportsmanship are: if you looted the hell out of someone or know that they were cleaned out by someone else, you owe them time to regear. Also, if they're trying like hell to stay clear of you, you owe them the chance to do it for a while.

And... that's about it.

If you kill someone and they continue to try to raid your cabal or retrieve from your cabal, I think you're justified in killing them.

If someone you kill attacks you again or comes at you, I think you're justified at killing them. I don't think you owe them the chance to sleep you or summon you into a locked room or whatever first.

If your Outlander ranger kills a necromancer getting XP in Emerald Forest and they just go right back to getting XP in Emerald Forest, I think you're justified in killing them again. They know you're there, they know they may well be outmatched and they're not even trying. I don't think it's good for the game to pity brigade on them, first because I don't think this behavior is conducive to improving and becoming a contender, and second because this behavior is attempted by passive-aggressive veterans looking to win a log board victory much much more often than by actual newbies.

If someone attacks your group of three and kills one of you, I don't think you should expect that they now for some reason have to back off the whole group and let you level in peace.

If someone tries to raid your cabal and kills you in the process but maybe isn't in a position to finish the raid before you unghost, I don't think you should expect that they won't come back.

But I see people cry multi-killing on each of these scenarios regularly, so clearly opinions vary.

  

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HOT TopicA lengthy PSA for veteran players: [View all] , Mendos, Mon 25-Aug-14 10:02 PM
Reply Suggestion..., Eskelian, 29-Aug-14 01:14 AM, #78
Reply Getting killed repeatedly sucks for everyone, Thought (Anonymous), 26-Aug-14 03:43 PM, #39
Reply This is a contentious issue., Mendos, 26-Aug-14 04:13 PM, #45
Reply RE: This is a contentious issue., Daevryn, 26-Aug-14 07:53 PM #55
     Reply Spoken like a true killer-type player, A thought. (Anonymous), 27-Aug-14 01:27 AM, #57
          Reply On the other side of the fence, KaguMaru, 27-Aug-14 04:56 AM, #59
          Reply As I said:, thought (Anonymous), 27-Aug-14 05:55 AM, #60
               Reply Team o'clock, KaguMaru, 27-Aug-14 06:07 AM, #61
                    Reply So that still happens huh?, A thought (Anonymous), 27-Aug-14 07:02 AM, #62
                    Reply RE: Team o'clock, Eskelian, 29-Aug-14 01:44 AM, #84
          Reply RE: Spoken like a true killer-type player, Daevryn, 27-Aug-14 07:32 PM, #65
               Reply RE: Spoken like a true killer-type player, A thought (Anonymous), 28-Aug-14 01:34 AM, #68
                    Reply RE: Spoken like a true killer-type player, KaguMaru, 28-Aug-14 07:00 AM, #69
                    Reply RE: Spoken like a true killer-type player, Mendos, 28-Aug-14 07:46 AM, #70
                    Reply Thank you, and the rest of the staff for your efforts., A thought (Anonymous), 28-Aug-14 11:12 AM, #75
                    Reply RE: Spoken like a true killer-type player, Daevryn, 28-Aug-14 07:24 AM, #71
                         Reply My opinion on a couple of these scenarios, KaguMaru, 28-Aug-14 07:49 AM, #73
Reply I will say one thing: Heroed cabal characters can still..., TMNS, 26-Aug-14 05:18 PM, #48
Reply From a Newbie, Paek (Anonymous), 26-Aug-14 01:25 PM, #35
Reply Feel free to ask. JOIN TO PERMA! Seriosly, mharlndarn, 26-Aug-14 01:40 PM, #36
Reply Come ask on qhcf.net as well, N b M, 26-Aug-14 02:08 PM, #38
Reply Love this, could we even evolve it?, Jaegendar, 26-Aug-14 02:08 PM, #37
Reply I think some notion of informal mentoring is already in..., Mendos, 26-Aug-14 03:48 PM, #41
     Reply RE: I think some notion of informal mentoring is alread..., N b M, 26-Aug-14 03:54 PM, #43
Reply Hello there., Mendos, 26-Aug-14 03:54 PM, #42
Reply Addendum:, Mendos, 26-Aug-14 05:54 PM, #50
Reply RE: Hello there., rezz, 27-Aug-14 11:47 PM, #67
Reply RE: From a Newbie, Daevryn, 26-Aug-14 07:38 PM, #54
Reply RE: From a Newbie, Paek (Anonymous), 28-Aug-14 07:46 PM, #77
Reply Perhaps you could add a new cabal power to Herald?, Pendragon_Surtr, 27-Aug-14 12:27 AM, #56
Reply You have the right attitude, -flso, 28-Aug-14 06:52 PM, #76
Reply Things I think that would help...re: newbies., Eskelian, 29-Aug-14 01:31 AM, #82
Reply One Change I'd Ask For, Bemused, 26-Aug-14 11:29 AM, #29
Reply RE: One Change I'd Ask For, Umiron, 26-Aug-14 11:41 AM, #31
Reply New players aren't known as "Anonymous" on Newbie chann..., TMNS, 26-Aug-14 12:02 PM, #33
Reply Thanks. As a veteran since 1995, polmier, 26-Aug-14 10:18 AM, #21
Reply You're welcome., Mendos, 26-Aug-14 11:16 AM, #28
Reply current, frags don't smell. change it., Dallevian, 26-Aug-14 09:06 AM, #16
Reply Newbie trains and TrueSkill, The Heretic, 26-Aug-14 11:06 AM, #25
     Reply I'd tweak this a bit., Scrimbul, 26-Aug-14 11:48 AM, #32
Reply Some rambling thoughts from a non-veteran, lasentia, 26-Aug-14 08:35 AM, #14
Reply RE: Some rambling thoughts from a non-veteran, Ekaerok (Anonymous), 26-Aug-14 09:04 AM, #15
Reply Yeah, I'm aware of that change., lasentia, 26-Aug-14 09:31 AM, #18
     Reply RE: Yeah, I'm aware of that change., Ekaerok (Anonymous), 26-Aug-14 12:25 PM, #34
Reply Meh, role add, N b M, 26-Aug-14 10:09 AM, #20
Reply RE: Meh, role add, Daevryn, 26-Aug-14 07:22 PM, #52
Reply There are a number of.., Mendos, 26-Aug-14 11:13 AM, #27
Reply Thanks for addressing it., Lhydia, 26-Aug-14 05:34 AM, #7
Reply Amen, stop incentivizing bad behavior and start incenti..., TMNS, 26-Aug-14 06:37 AM, #11
Reply Agreed. , The Heretic, 26-Aug-14 08:01 AM, #13
Reply We did read the thread below., Mendos, 26-Aug-14 11:08 AM, #26
Reply RE: Thanks for addressing it., Daevryn, 26-Aug-14 07:25 PM, #53
     Reply RE: Thanks for addressing it., Tsunami, 27-Aug-14 11:50 AM, #63
     Reply RE: Thanks for addressing it., Valguarnera, 27-Aug-14 06:30 PM, #64
          Reply Alas, so true..., Tsunami, 27-Aug-14 10:27 PM, #66
          Reply RE: Thanks for addressing it., N b M, 28-Aug-14 07:26 AM, #72
          Reply The same thing happened with wand changes., Mendos, 28-Aug-14 10:30 AM, #74
               Reply Survivorship bias., Eskelian, 29-Aug-14 01:24 AM, #81
                    Reply See thread below this one. We will discuss this there...., Mendos, 29-Aug-14 01:40 AM, #83
          Reply You don't have to look at PK., Eskelian, 29-Aug-14 01:22 AM, #80
     Reply People don't know that though., Eskelian, 29-Aug-14 01:16 AM, #79
     Reply RE: Thanks for addressing it., Falstaff, 29-Aug-14 07:06 AM, #85
Reply RE: A lengthy PSA for veteran players:, Bemused, 26-Aug-14 01:27 AM, #2
Reply The game has changed a lot since 2006., Mendos, 26-Aug-14 02:27 AM, #3
Reply I like you., vargal, 26-Aug-14 02:51 AM, #4
Reply I'm not sure how you expect me to respond to this?, Mendos, 26-Aug-14 04:27 AM, #6
Reply He's saying you're not a level 58+..., TMNS, 26-Aug-14 06:36 AM, #10
     Reply RE: He's saying you're not a level 58+..., Mendos, 26-Aug-14 10:24 AM, #23
Reply Mendos authored, IMP approved., Valguarnera, 26-Aug-14 05:48 AM, #8
     Reply I honestly don't think you could be more antagonistic....., TMNS, 26-Aug-14 06:31 AM, #9
     Reply i feel like we read something different. nt, Dallevian, 26-Aug-14 09:14 AM, #17
          Reply Me too., Mendos, 26-Aug-14 11:01 AM, #24
     Reply rofl Valg, vargal, 26-Aug-14 11:32 AM, #30
          Reply Well.., Mendos, 26-Aug-14 03:49 PM, #40
               Reply It's okay. I can take it., vargal, 26-Aug-14 03:58 PM, #44
Reply Can I suggest, incognito, 26-Aug-14 07:02 AM, #12
     Reply This also falls into.., Mendos, 26-Aug-14 06:22 PM, #51
Reply I always thought that was terrible., TMNS, 26-Aug-14 05:19 PM, #49
Reply Brief addendum:, Mendos, 25-Aug-14 10:25 PM, #1
     Reply Being multi-kilt wasn't a problem for me for a long tim..., Doof, 26-Aug-14 04:02 AM, #5
     Reply Being Multi-killed has always been a part of CF. nt, Polmier (Anonymous), 26-Aug-14 10:19 AM, #22
          Reply So? Why does that make it good?, Elerosse, 26-Aug-14 04:41 PM, #46
               Reply I am in agreement that it should change. The previous p..., polmier, 26-Aug-14 04:57 PM, #47
                    Reply That wasn't what I was trying to communicate., Doof, 27-Aug-14 03:34 AM, #58
     Reply You can't overcome the reward., Warren, 26-Aug-14 10:08 AM, #19
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