Daevryn | Tue 26-Aug-14 07:53 PM |
Member since 13th Feb 2007
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#56408, "RE: This is a contentious issue."
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Also relevant to this is that people have really different ideas of what constitutes multi-killing. (Often people also have very different ideas of what constitutes multi-killing when done to them vs. when they do it to others.)
I think someone who keeps right on someone and tries to kill them again as soon as they unghost without a very good reason has been pretty consistently frowned upon and isn't very controversial -- but this is a very very rare case in all honesty.
To me, the dictates of sportsmanship are: if you looted the hell out of someone or know that they were cleaned out by someone else, you owe them time to regear. Also, if they're trying like hell to stay clear of you, you owe them the chance to do it for a while.
And... that's about it.
If you kill someone and they continue to try to raid your cabal or retrieve from your cabal, I think you're justified in killing them.
If someone you kill attacks you again or comes at you, I think you're justified at killing them. I don't think you owe them the chance to sleep you or summon you into a locked room or whatever first.
If your Outlander ranger kills a necromancer getting XP in Emerald Forest and they just go right back to getting XP in Emerald Forest, I think you're justified in killing them again. They know you're there, they know they may well be outmatched and they're not even trying. I don't think it's good for the game to pity brigade on them, first because I don't think this behavior is conducive to improving and becoming a contender, and second because this behavior is attempted by passive-aggressive veterans looking to win a log board victory much much more often than by actual newbies.
If someone attacks your group of three and kills one of you, I don't think you should expect that they now for some reason have to back off the whole group and let you level in peace.
If someone tries to raid your cabal and kills you in the process but maybe isn't in a position to finish the raid before you unghost, I don't think you should expect that they won't come back.
But I see people cry multi-killing on each of these scenarios regularly, so clearly opinions vary.
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A lengthy PSA for veteran players:
[View all] , Mendos, Mon 25-Aug-14 10:02 PM
Suggestion...,
Eskelian,
29-Aug-14 01:14 AM, #78
Getting killed repeatedly sucks for everyone,
Thought (Anonymous),
26-Aug-14 03:43 PM, #39
This is a contentious issue.,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 04:13 PM, #45
RE: This is a contentious issue.,
Daevryn,
26-Aug-14 07:53 PM #55
Spoken like a true killer-type player,
A thought. (Anonymous),
27-Aug-14 01:27 AM, #57
On the other side of the fence,
KaguMaru,
27-Aug-14 04:56 AM, #59
As I said:,
thought (Anonymous),
27-Aug-14 05:55 AM, #60
Team o'clock,
KaguMaru,
27-Aug-14 06:07 AM, #61
So that still happens huh?,
A thought (Anonymous),
27-Aug-14 07:02 AM, #62
RE: Team o'clock,
Eskelian,
29-Aug-14 01:44 AM, #84
RE: Spoken like a true killer-type player,
Daevryn,
27-Aug-14 07:32 PM, #65
RE: Spoken like a true killer-type player,
A thought (Anonymous),
28-Aug-14 01:34 AM, #68
RE: Spoken like a true killer-type player,
KaguMaru,
28-Aug-14 07:00 AM, #69
RE: Spoken like a true killer-type player,
Mendos,
28-Aug-14 07:46 AM, #70
Thank you, and the rest of the staff for your efforts.,
A thought (Anonymous),
28-Aug-14 11:12 AM, #75
RE: Spoken like a true killer-type player,
Daevryn,
28-Aug-14 07:24 AM, #71
My opinion on a couple of these scenarios,
KaguMaru,
28-Aug-14 07:49 AM, #73
I will say one thing: Heroed cabal characters can still...,
TMNS,
26-Aug-14 05:18 PM, #48
From a Newbie,
Paek (Anonymous),
26-Aug-14 01:25 PM, #35
Feel free to ask. JOIN TO PERMA! Seriosly,
mharlndarn,
26-Aug-14 01:40 PM, #36
Come ask on qhcf.net as well,
N b M,
26-Aug-14 02:08 PM, #38
Love this, could we even evolve it?,
Jaegendar,
26-Aug-14 02:08 PM, #37
I think some notion of informal mentoring is already in...,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 03:48 PM, #41
RE: I think some notion of informal mentoring is alread...,
N b M,
26-Aug-14 03:54 PM, #43
Hello there.,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 03:54 PM, #42
Addendum:,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 05:54 PM, #50
RE: Hello there.,
rezz,
27-Aug-14 11:47 PM, #67
RE: From a Newbie,
Daevryn,
26-Aug-14 07:38 PM, #54
RE: From a Newbie,
Paek (Anonymous),
28-Aug-14 07:46 PM, #77
Perhaps you could add a new cabal power to Herald?,
Pendragon_Surtr,
27-Aug-14 12:27 AM, #56
You have the right attitude,
-flso,
28-Aug-14 06:52 PM, #76
Things I think that would help...re: newbies.,
Eskelian,
29-Aug-14 01:31 AM, #82
One Change I'd Ask For,
Bemused,
26-Aug-14 11:29 AM, #29
RE: One Change I'd Ask For,
Umiron,
26-Aug-14 11:41 AM, #31
New players aren't known as "Anonymous" on Newbie chann...,
TMNS,
26-Aug-14 12:02 PM, #33
Thanks. As a veteran since 1995,
polmier,
26-Aug-14 10:18 AM, #21
You're welcome.,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 11:16 AM, #28
current, frags don't smell. change it.,
Dallevian,
26-Aug-14 09:06 AM, #16
Newbie trains and TrueSkill,
The Heretic,
26-Aug-14 11:06 AM, #25
I'd tweak this a bit.,
Scrimbul,
26-Aug-14 11:48 AM, #32
Some rambling thoughts from a non-veteran,
lasentia,
26-Aug-14 08:35 AM, #14
RE: Some rambling thoughts from a non-veteran,
Ekaerok (Anonymous),
26-Aug-14 09:04 AM, #15
Yeah, I'm aware of that change.,
lasentia,
26-Aug-14 09:31 AM, #18
RE: Yeah, I'm aware of that change.,
Ekaerok (Anonymous),
26-Aug-14 12:25 PM, #34
Meh, role add,
N b M,
26-Aug-14 10:09 AM, #20
RE: Meh, role add,
Daevryn,
26-Aug-14 07:22 PM, #52
There are a number of..,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 11:13 AM, #27
Thanks for addressing it.,
Lhydia,
26-Aug-14 05:34 AM, #7
Amen, stop incentivizing bad behavior and start incenti...,
TMNS,
26-Aug-14 06:37 AM, #11
Agreed. ,
The Heretic,
26-Aug-14 08:01 AM, #13
We did read the thread below.,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 11:08 AM, #26
RE: Thanks for addressing it.,
Daevryn,
26-Aug-14 07:25 PM, #53
RE: Thanks for addressing it.,
Tsunami,
27-Aug-14 11:50 AM, #63
RE: Thanks for addressing it.,
Valguarnera,
27-Aug-14 06:30 PM, #64
Alas, so true...,
Tsunami,
27-Aug-14 10:27 PM, #66
RE: Thanks for addressing it.,
N b M,
28-Aug-14 07:26 AM, #72
The same thing happened with wand changes.,
Mendos,
28-Aug-14 10:30 AM, #74
Survivorship bias.,
Eskelian,
29-Aug-14 01:24 AM, #81
See thread below this one. We will discuss this there....,
Mendos,
29-Aug-14 01:40 AM, #83
You don't have to look at PK.,
Eskelian,
29-Aug-14 01:22 AM, #80
People don't know that though.,
Eskelian,
29-Aug-14 01:16 AM, #79
RE: Thanks for addressing it.,
Falstaff,
29-Aug-14 07:06 AM, #85
RE: A lengthy PSA for veteran players:,
Bemused,
26-Aug-14 01:27 AM, #2
The game has changed a lot since 2006.,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 02:27 AM, #3
I like you.,
vargal,
26-Aug-14 02:51 AM, #4
I'm not sure how you expect me to respond to this?,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 04:27 AM, #6
He's saying you're not a level 58+...,
TMNS,
26-Aug-14 06:36 AM, #10
RE: He's saying you're not a level 58+...,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 10:24 AM, #23
Mendos authored, IMP approved.,
Valguarnera,
26-Aug-14 05:48 AM, #8
I honestly don't think you could be more antagonistic.....,
TMNS,
26-Aug-14 06:31 AM, #9
i feel like we read something different. nt,
Dallevian,
26-Aug-14 09:14 AM, #17
Me too.,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 11:01 AM, #24
rofl Valg,
vargal,
26-Aug-14 11:32 AM, #30
Well..,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 03:49 PM, #40
It's okay. I can take it.,
vargal,
26-Aug-14 03:58 PM, #44
Can I suggest,
incognito,
26-Aug-14 07:02 AM, #12
This also falls into..,
Mendos,
26-Aug-14 06:22 PM, #51
I always thought that was terrible.,
TMNS,
26-Aug-14 05:19 PM, #49
Brief addendum:,
Mendos,
25-Aug-14 10:25 PM, #1
Being multi-kilt wasn't a problem for me for a long tim...,
Doof,
26-Aug-14 04:02 AM, #5
Being Multi-killed has always been a part of CF. nt,
Polmier (Anonymous),
26-Aug-14 10:19 AM, #22
So? Why does that make it good?,
Elerosse,
26-Aug-14 04:41 PM, #46
I am in agreement that it should change. The previous p...,
polmier,
26-Aug-14 04:57 PM, #47
That wasn't what I was trying to communicate.,
Doof,
27-Aug-14 03:34 AM, #58
You can't overcome the reward.,
Warren,
26-Aug-14 10:08 AM, #19
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