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LyristeonWed 18-Aug-10 04:24 PM
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#34708, "Well thought out response, I will return mine in kind."


          

>A couple things:
>
>I don't necessarily understand why, from a purely IC
>perspective, an (IC) Immortal would come on somehow for this.
>Based on how you described things, I get the feeling this is a
>staff member using IC mechanisms to punish them for something
>that YOU think is lame (hoarding), but isn't necessarily bad
>RP and is not, as far as I can tell, against the rules.

Correct. The player in question was not brought into the Realm of the Dead for any rule breaking.

>
>So, as I understand it, it went down like this:
>1) You notice a guy hoarding eq. It's not against the rules
>and the character has no role entries or other virtues that
>would make hoarding "bad RP" AFAIK.

No role entries to make it good rping either. Also, it was noted by another imm that the character was seen possibly hoarding gear a month ago as well. Some of it the same or may have been similar gear.

>
>2) You don't like this. Maybe other Imms don't like it. You
>use IC mechanisms to bust his chops.

It isn't about like or dislike. It's about what is observed of how a character who chose the sphere he chose and the method he used that go against his sphere to gather some of the items.

>
>3) Dude takes it the wrong way and it becomes an issue. Nasty
>mess ensues.
>
>I certainly realize it isn't the player base's prerogative to
>tell you guys how to do your jobs and that WE shouldn't
>dictate policy. That said, it seems like a pattern is
>developing, which is the transition from #2 to #3.

The playerbase recently posted a whole thread on how they aren't getting enough immteraction. Guess why I came back?

>
>So... I'm simply going to throw out there as calmly and
>politely as I can the idea that the staff consider how well #2
>has been working out for them lately and how much lame #3 it
>leads to and think about maybe working on that.

Here's a thought. A player sees something odd and rps it out for the odd chance it may lead to having fun!

>
>Perhaps you could introduce some helpfiles that elaborate on
>some of the "not quite against the rules, but still
>problematic" issues, or maybe just pull these people aside and
>talk to them face-to-face instead of trying to handle it with
> let's face it, negative) RP, which commonly upsets people.

How about this, "If you aren't brought to the realm of the dead for a rules violation, play the game, it may lead to having fun!"

>
>You'd be absolutely right if you said you shouldn't have to do
>that or that those people are a minority and just aren't
>"worth it", but at the end of the day, addressing the fact
>that the aforementioned scenario seems to go poorly often
>enouogh, there might be some PR value in reevaluating how
>that's handled. It's not that you're not right, you probably
>are in the right, but if situations like this can be avoided
>by making an adjustment that is within your control to do,
>maybe that's worth it if it means less drama llamas.

90% of the playerbase appreciates the opportunity. I will continue to try to make this game more fun. If the other 10% want to think the worst before trying to have fun, I don't have to apologize for their bad judgment.
>
>I REALLY hope this doesn't come off as a rant, because that
>isn't my intention.

Good post.


  

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HOT TopicRE: Locked Threads [View all] , Splntrd, Wed 18-Aug-10 10:50 PM
Reply Bottom line, Hopelessdwarf, 18-Aug-10 07:21 PM, #79
Reply Summary., Lyristeon, 18-Aug-10 03:46 PM, #48
Reply Sorry, you need to get off your high horse, Knac, 18-Aug-10 04:04 PM, #49
Reply RE: Sorry, you need to get off your high horse, Lyristeon, 18-Aug-10 04:10 PM, #50
     Reply RE: Sorry, you need to get off your high horse, Knac, 18-Aug-10 04:37 PM, #56
          Reply RE: Sorry, you need to get off your high horse, Lyristeon, 18-Aug-10 04:48 PM, #59
          Reply RE: Sorry, you need to get off your high horse, _Magus_, 18-Aug-10 04:52 PM, #60
               Reply RE: Sorry, you need to get off your high horse, Lyristeon, 18-Aug-10 05:00 PM, #62
               Reply What you guys should do in this situation.., Knac, 18-Aug-10 05:06 PM, #64
               Reply RE: What you guys should do in this situation.., Lyristeon, 18-Aug-10 06:01 PM, #70
               Reply I don't feel thats entirely accurate., Gaplemo, 18-Aug-10 06:42 PM, #73
               Reply You're not allowed to enter into this thread., sleepy, 19-Aug-10 12:42 AM, #84
          Reply RE: Sorry, you need to get off your high horse, Elerosse, 18-Aug-10 06:34 PM, #72
Reply RE: Summary., sorlag (Anonymous), 18-Aug-10 04:13 PM, #51
Reply Well thought out response, I will return mine in kind., Lyristeon, 18-Aug-10 04:24 PM #52
     Reply Thuul, Pro, 18-Aug-10 05:46 PM, #66
     Reply RE: Thuul, Lyristeon, 18-Aug-10 05:52 PM, #67
          Reply My point, Pro, 18-Aug-10 06:00 PM, #69
               Reply I'm pretty sure you already ranted about Thuul, sleepy, 19-Aug-10 12:44 AM, #85
                    Reply That wasn't the consensus. n/t, Pro, 19-Aug-10 03:57 AM, #89
                         Reply RE: That wasn't the consensus. n/t, Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 06:04 AM, #92
                              Reply No it wasn't and still isn't. n/t, Pro, 19-Aug-10 02:55 PM, #99
     Reply RE: Well thought out response, I will return mine in ki..., _Magus_, 18-Aug-10 04:41 PM, #83
          Reply RE: Well thought out response, I will return mine in ki..., Lyristeon, 18-Aug-10 04:44 PM, #58
          Reply Just to point something out..., Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 01:06 AM, #86
          Reply I actually had no idea about the title until afterwards..., TMNS, 18-Aug-10 07:07 PM, #76
Reply RE: Summary., _Magus_, 18-Aug-10 04:36 PM, #55
Reply RE: Summary., Lyristeon, 18-Aug-10 04:58 PM, #61
     Reply RE: Summary., _Magus_, 18-Aug-10 05:13 PM, #63
          Reply RE: Summary., Lyristeon, 18-Aug-10 05:58 PM, #68
               Reply RE: Summary., _Magus_, 18-Aug-10 06:07 PM, #71
               Reply RE: Summary., Hutto, 19-Aug-10 02:28 PM, #97
Reply we're all human and we all make mistakes, MoetEtChandon, 18-Aug-10 04:44 PM, #57
Reply FWIW, I didn't lock it and don't know who did. nt, Lyristeon, 18-Aug-10 04:54 PM, #81
Reply To be honest, you're a great IMM but a god-awful poster..., TMNS, 18-Aug-10 07:08 PM, #78
Reply RE: Summary., HammerSong, 18-Aug-10 07:29 PM, #80
Reply Speaking as a newbie..., defrost, 18-Aug-10 04:20 AM, #22
Reply Define newbie, restraint, polite behavior. n/t, Pro, 18-Aug-10 10:50 AM, #32
Reply RE: Locked Threads, Malakhi, 18-Aug-10 03:29 AM, #20
Reply My reasonable alternative:, Bubthegreat, 18-Aug-10 03:59 AM, #21
Reply ... No., Splntrd, 18-Aug-10 09:52 AM, #31
     Reply RE: ... No., Bubthegreat, 18-Aug-10 02:04 PM, #40
Reply On the offhand chance you're genuinely interested., Eskelian, 18-Aug-10 08:08 AM, #23
Reply This. nt, Splntrd, 18-Aug-10 09:19 AM, #28
Reply FATALITY n/t, Pro, 18-Aug-10 01:09 PM, #38
Reply Agreement?, Malakhi, 18-Aug-10 01:45 PM, #39
Reply RE: Agreement?, Eskelian, 18-Aug-10 02:17 PM, #42
     Reply RE: Agreement?, Isildur, 18-Aug-10 10:33 PM, #82
     Reply RE: Agreement?, Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 01:13 AM, #87
     Reply RE: Agreement?, Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 06:03 AM, #91
     Reply I can't believe how much I don't agree with you these d..., Pro, 19-Aug-10 03:50 AM, #88
          Reply RE: I can't believe how much I don't agree with you the..., Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 06:02 AM, #90
               Reply Can't believe I'm defending Pro., Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 08:39 AM, #93
                    Reply RE: Can't believe I'm defending Pro., Lyristeon, 19-Aug-10 09:43 AM, #95
     Reply RE: Agreement?, Malakhi, 19-Aug-10 02:42 PM, #98
Reply RE: On the offhand chance you're genuinely interested., Isildur, 18-Aug-10 03:21 PM, #43
     Reply Think about this also, Knac, 18-Aug-10 03:41 PM, #46
Reply RE: Locked Threads, ORB, 18-Aug-10 08:29 AM, #24
Reply RE: Locked Threads, Malakhi, 18-Aug-10 02:09 PM, #41
     Reply RE: Locked Threads, ORB, 18-Aug-10 03:41 PM, #47
     Reply Quick thought., TMNS, 18-Aug-10 07:00 PM, #75
Reply RE: Locked Threads, Hutto, 19-Aug-10 02:19 PM, #96
Reply At this point its like a bad marriage.., Kadsuane, 17-Aug-10 08:38 PM, #17
Reply Bring all the lawyers you want...I'll still get custody..., Zulghinlour, 18-Aug-10 03:26 PM, #44
     Reply Le sigh n/t , Kadsuane, 18-Aug-10 05:39 PM, #65
Reply RE: Locked Threads, Isildur, 17-Aug-10 03:33 PM, #10
Reply Correct on both accounts (n/t), Zulghinlour, 18-Aug-10 03:27 PM, #45
     Reply Fine we'll go start our own with Hookers and Blackjack!..., ORB, 18-Aug-10 04:30 PM, #54
          Reply Hookers and Blackjack eh?, Zulghinlour, 18-Aug-10 06:54 PM, #74
Reply RE: Locked Threads, Nnaeshuk, 17-Aug-10 02:55 PM, #9
Reply Some people just have long toes, MoetEtChandon, 17-Aug-10 04:47 PM, #12
Reply Totally., Guilo, 17-Aug-10 05:22 PM, #13
     Reply So duper duper cosign., TMNS, 17-Aug-10 07:13 PM, #16
          Reply Agreed, Torak, 17-Aug-10 10:44 PM, #18
Reply RE: Locked Threads, Hutto, 17-Aug-10 02:29 PM, #8
Reply RE: Locked Threads, wareagle, 17-Aug-10 01:43 PM, #7
Reply I'm all for locked threads, incognito, 17-Aug-10 01:29 PM, #5
Reply RE: I'm all for locked threads, Splntrd, 17-Aug-10 01:37 PM, #6
Reply RE: I'm all for locked threads, Anliltuel (Anonymous), 17-Aug-10 05:37 PM, #14
     Reply You could just have said it was my posts, Torak, 17-Aug-10 11:29 PM, #19
     Reply RE: I'm all for locked threads, Eskelian, 18-Aug-10 08:33 AM, #25
     Reply RE: I'm all for locked threads, Anliltuel (Anonymous), 18-Aug-10 09:01 AM, #27
          Reply You're on crack., Splntrd, 18-Aug-10 09:39 AM, #29
          Reply I didn't think it'd be too much trouble..., Anliltuel (Anonymous), 18-Aug-10 09:49 AM, #30
               Reply In retrospect..., Splntrd, 18-Aug-10 10:55 AM, #33
          Reply You pretty much invaidated your argument in my eyes., Pro, 18-Aug-10 11:13 AM, #34
          Reply You're not helping., Splntrd, 18-Aug-10 11:16 AM, #35
          Reply RE: You pretty much invaidated your argument in my eyes..., Anliltuel (Anonymous), 18-Aug-10 07:08 PM, #77
               Reply RE: You pretty much invaidated your argument in my eyes..., Eskelian, 19-Aug-10 08:55 AM, #94
          Reply RE: I'm all for locked threads, Eskelian, 18-Aug-10 12:59 PM, #37
     Reply RE: I'm all for locked threads, ORB, 18-Aug-10 08:34 AM, #26
     Reply The term 'Champion' is poorly chosen, MoetEtChandon, 18-Aug-10 04:25 PM, #53
Reply RE: I'm all for locked threads, Pendragon_Surtr, 17-Aug-10 03:43 PM, #11
Reply RE: Locked Threads, ORB, 17-Aug-10 12:59 PM, #3
Reply RE: Locked Threads, HammerSong, 17-Aug-10 06:24 PM, #15
Reply RE: Locked Threads, flatline, 17-Aug-10 12:27 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Locked Threads, sorlag (Anonymous), 17-Aug-10 12:37 PM, #2
     Reply Lyr's response to you was unwarranted., Pro, 18-Aug-10 12:49 PM, #36
     Reply RE: Locked Threads, Splntrd, 17-Aug-10 01:19 PM, #4
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