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ValguarneraFri 17-Nov-06 01:25 PM
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#729, "RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread."


          

The conspiracy theories are nuts, yeah, but it's possible to take the position that uncontrolled immigration (largely from Mexico) has a deliterious effect on the American economy without being a virulent racist.

That isn't what Pro has been purporting, however. He's specifically and repeatedly described the immigration as a political movement, sponsored by the Mexican government, designed to lead to the secession of the Southwest. There's zero data for it, but the white supramecist movement (Stormfront, White Nationalist, Council of Conservative Citizens, National Alliance, etc.) in the U.S. uses it heavily to fearmonger.

The Aztlan stuff gets its "legs", so to speak, from statements made by nutjobs on the opposite side of the spectrum, who actually do think the U.S. should give the southwestern territories back to Mexico. Those guys just aren't representative of immigrants as a whole.

But it doesn't have "legs". Who is advocating this now? A couple of college students?

You're right that the immigration issue is complex, and the current system has flaws. (I happen to be in favor of essentially legalizing the majority of workers, and view immigration as a largely positive force, but there are pros and cons to my position.) But that's a very different discussion from what Pro is pushing (and is in line with Pro's previous comments on black Americans, Latino culture and its influence in the US, etc.), and I think it's dangerous to ignore the elephant in the room and pretend he's fanatical about it because of economic reasons.

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HOT Locked TopicVote. nt [View all] , Nivek1, Tue 07-Nov-06 05:23 PM
Reply Thread locked due to bloat., Valguarnera, 13-Dec-06 03:14 PM, #94
Reply No. Why? Its pointless. n/t, Eskelian, 11-Nov-06 10:44 AM, #24
Reply That's the exact reason your party won't ever gain any ..., DurNominator, 11-Nov-06 11:32 AM, #25
     Reply Since when do I have a party?, Eskelian, 12-Nov-06 10:57 PM, #26
          Reply RE: Since when do I have a party?, DurNominator, 13-Nov-06 06:50 AM, #28
Reply Grats to Democrats for their victory., DurNominator, 10-Nov-06 02:08 PM, #17
Reply Honestly, it was a beating my party needed., Minyar, 10-Nov-06 04:52 PM, #20
     Reply RE: Yep., (NOT Pro), 20-Nov-06 03:07 AM, #39
Reply Macaca! n/t, Grurk Muouk, 08-Nov-06 10:05 AM, #12
Reply Yup., Valguarnera, 08-Nov-06 11:26 AM, #13
     Reply Thank god the Liberal media was there to make it known ..., Minyar, 10-Nov-06 04:45 PM, #18
          Reply Well, it's a real issue., Valguarnera, 10-Nov-06 05:30 PM, #22
               Reply While I'm not a big fan of racism., Eskelian, 12-Nov-06 11:01 PM, #27
                    Reply RE: While I'm not a big fan of racism., Valguarnera, 13-Nov-06 09:25 AM, #29
                         Reply RE: While I'm not a big fan of racism., Tac, 13-Nov-06 12:47 PM, #30
Reply I did!, Valguarnera, 08-Nov-06 09:31 AM, #11
Reply How is it you just can't see the reality of this?, (NOT Pro), 17-Nov-06 12:32 AM, #31
     Reply RE: How is it you just can't see the reality of this?, Daevryn, 17-Nov-06 02:49 AM, #32
     Reply Wherein I Godwin the thread., Valguarnera, 17-Nov-06 11:48 AM, #33
          Reply RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread., Isildur, 17-Nov-06 12:00 PM, #34
          Reply RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread., Valguarnera, 17-Nov-06 01:25 PM #35
               Reply RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread., Isildur, 17-Nov-06 02:32 PM, #36
               Reply RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread., (NOT Pro), 20-Nov-06 02:47 AM, #37
                    Reply RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread., Isildur, 20-Nov-06 02:58 PM, #43
                         Reply RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread., (NOT Pro), 20-Nov-06 08:41 PM, #47
                              Reply RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread., Isildur, 20-Nov-06 11:43 PM, #52
                                   Reply Herein we have the reason I call people traitors., (NOT Pro), 21-Nov-06 01:52 AM, #53
                                        Reply I love America, Tac, 21-Nov-06 09:25 AM, #55
                                        Reply Not only are you wrong you are correct., (NOT Pro), 10-Dec-06 01:30 PM, #82
                                             Reply Since you lack the ability..., Tac, 10-Dec-06 08:25 PM, #87
                                             Reply RE: Not only are you wrong you are correct., Isildur, 10-Dec-06 08:35 PM, #89
                                                  Reply Along those lines:, Valguarnera, 10-Dec-06 09:07 PM, #91
                                        Reply RE: Herein we have the reason I call people traitors., Isildur, 21-Nov-06 11:24 AM, #57
                                             Reply Past changes., (NOT Pro), 10-Dec-06 01:33 PM, #83
               Reply RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread., (NOT Pro), 20-Nov-06 03:04 AM, #38
                    Reply RE: Wherein I Godwin the thread., Valguarnera, 20-Nov-06 10:31 AM, #40
                         Reply Where in lies your misconception of me., (NOT Pro), 20-Nov-06 12:08 PM, #41
                              Reply You poor, poor thing, Aodh, 20-Nov-06 02:09 PM, #42
                              Reply I don't think you understand the debate., (NOT Pro), 20-Nov-06 08:53 PM, #50
                              Reply RE: Where in lies your misconception of me., Isildur, 20-Nov-06 03:19 PM, #44
                              Reply Abramoff et al..., (NOT Pro), 20-Nov-06 08:52 PM, #49
                                   Reply RE: Abramoff et al..., Isildur, 20-Nov-06 11:39 PM, #51
                                        Reply None of the Republicans up for reelection took a hard l..., (NOT Pro), 21-Nov-06 01:54 AM, #54
                                             Reply RE: None of the Republicans up for reelection took a ha..., Isildur, 21-Nov-06 11:17 AM, #56
                                                  Reply Colorado is a Democratic State., (NOT Pro), 27-Nov-06 03:07 AM, #59
                                                       Reply What are you even basing that on?, Daevryn, 27-Nov-06 03:47 AM, #60
                                                       Reply He's disconnected from reality., Valguarnera, 27-Nov-06 10:14 AM, #61
                                                       Reply This conversation reminds me of work..., Wilhath, 27-Nov-06 06:54 PM, #64
                                                            Reply So...you're trying to insinuate I'm not Zeus?, Eskelian, 28-Nov-06 02:46 AM, #65
                                                       Reply I based it off my memory, then I checked the official., (NOT Pro), 10-Dec-06 01:07 PM, #75
                                                       Reply RE: Colorado is a Democratic State., Isildur, 27-Nov-06 10:50 AM, #62
                                                            Reply More Colorado facts!, Valguarnera, 27-Nov-06 11:11 AM, #63
                                                                 Reply Wherein liberals don't get it., (NOT Pro), 10-Dec-06 01:10 PM, #76
                                                                      Reply RE: Wherein liberals don't get it., Daevryn, 10-Dec-06 05:33 PM, #84
                                                                      Reply RE: Wherein liberals don't get it., Eskelian, 11-Dec-06 03:15 AM, #93
                                                                      Reply RE: Wherein liberals don't get it., Valguarnera, 10-Dec-06 07:11 PM, #85
                                                                      Reply RE: Wherein liberals don't get it., Isildur, 10-Dec-06 08:45 PM, #90
                                                                           Reply Some numbers to crunch:, Valguarnera, 10-Dec-06 09:30 PM, #92
                              Reply RE: Where in lies your misconception of me., Daevryn, 20-Nov-06 04:00 PM, #45
                              Reply Relative to..., Valguarnera, 20-Nov-06 05:21 PM, #46
                                   Reply Correction., (NOT Pro), 20-Nov-06 08:46 PM, #48
                              Reply RE: Where in lies your misconception of me., DurNominator, 22-Nov-06 02:32 PM, #58
          Reply I won't speak for Pro, but...., Pendragon_Surtr, 08-Dec-06 09:07 PM, #66
               Reply RE: I won't speak for Pro, but...., Isildur, 09-Dec-06 10:01 AM, #67
                    Reply So we should allow illegal aliens to cross the borders, Pendragon_Surtr, 09-Dec-06 03:36 PM, #68
                    Reply Psst. They are., Valguarnera, 09-Dec-06 04:37 PM, #69
                    Reply RE: Psst. They are., Isildur, 09-Dec-06 06:57 PM, #71
                    Reply RE: Psst. They are., Valguarnera, 10-Dec-06 10:00 AM, #73
                         Reply RE: Psst. They are., Isildur, 10-Dec-06 11:41 AM, #74
                              Reply Which is why I'm boggled by you wanting more here legal..., (NOT Pro), 10-Dec-06 01:18 PM, #79
                                   Reply RE: Which is why I'm boggled by you wanting more here l..., Isildur, 10-Dec-06 08:29 PM, #88
                    Reply RE: Psst. They are., Pendragon_Surtr, 09-Dec-06 08:16 PM, #72
                    Reply A huge contributor to the problem of "Jobs we don't wan..., (NOT Pro), 10-Dec-06 01:27 PM, #81
                    Reply RE: Psst. They are., Isildur, 10-Dec-06 08:22 PM, #86
                    Reply These peopl are invaders., (NOT Pro), 10-Dec-06 01:16 PM, #78
                    Reply RE: So we should allow illegal aliens to cross the bord..., Isildur, 09-Dec-06 06:49 PM, #70
                         Reply RE: So we should allow illegal aliens to cross the bord..., (NOT Pro), 10-Dec-06 01:24 PM, #80
                    Reply We don't want or need everyone to come here., (NOT Pro), 10-Dec-06 01:12 PM, #77
Reply Vote third party. nt, Tac, 07-Nov-06 05:38 PM, #1
     Reply From my conservative standpoint..., Nivek1, 07-Nov-06 06:16 PM, #2
          Reply From my intelligent viewpoint, some shouldn't vote...., Tac, 07-Nov-06 06:38 PM, #3
          Reply I choose not to vote... and I'll tell you why..., Saith, 07-Nov-06 06:44 PM, #4
               Reply You have a good point, Drag0nSt0rm, 07-Nov-06 06:59 PM, #5
               Reply Is bad point, Tac, 07-Nov-06 07:04 PM, #7
               Reply One thing that makes me laugh, but cry inside at the sa..., Minyar, 10-Nov-06 04:55 PM, #21
               Reply I've been there..., Tac, 07-Nov-06 07:03 PM, #6
               Reply RE: I've been there..., Saith, 08-Nov-06 12:51 AM, #8
               Reply How sad, DurNominator, 08-Nov-06 04:14 AM, #9
                    Reply You'll get no argument from me..., Tac, 08-Nov-06 09:14 AM, #10
                    Reply RE: How sad, Rho, 09-Nov-06 05:21 PM, #16
                    Reply So..., Minyar, 10-Nov-06 04:49 PM, #19
                         Reply Your going to elect only one president, DurNominator, 11-Nov-06 12:49 AM, #23
               Reply here's where you're wrong, Isildur, 08-Nov-06 06:06 PM, #14
                    Reply Good idea... didn't think about that...nt, Saith, 08-Nov-06 09:36 PM, #15
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