>I don't know how
>you can sit there and
>twist my words around then
>punish me for telling you
>you're wrong. I guess that's
>something you learn, because i
>sure as hell couldn't do
>that to someone.

Wow, that hit the nail on the head. I seriously don't know if it's your "roleplay" or just the way you approach these situations.... but the above point combined with your character's stubborn roleplay can make interaction with you strain to the point where it's almost unbearable... especially if you're playing a rager with a fierce sense of pride similar to what Battle was like pre-changes. In no way do I mean to criticize you as a person or an imm, I certainly don't know what it's like to be in your shoes and I wouldn't even mention this if it were an isolated incident... but this tends to come up again and again every time I decide to try out the village for old time's sake. It's been a long time since i've seen leadership in the village I don't feel is somewhat lacking, either in being what a villager should be or just the fact I think they're nothing more than bootlickers. I believe I once read something where you said that to a certain extent it was the players that determined the course a cabal would take... on the behalf of many of us (I can assume this from the many posts i've read on the topic, Minyar and Jhyrbian being the most recent) I ask that you take a step back and let the cabal completely govern itself for a while. Who knows, maybe we'll even get a leader that some of us older ragers can respect... (errr, minus the leadership of Intronan, I wasn't playing a rager at the time but I heard he did some interesting things).