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TMNSSun 14-Oct-12 07:59 PM
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#47484, "Bleh. Damn you for having a good argument!"


          

First off, I've never said my system would be set in stone. There would be all sorts of tweaks available in terms of what the criteria is to get a small reward. That would depend on the stats Zulg has available to him in terms of player numbers/average lifespan etc.

I don't think game-changing rewards should ever be given. That's why they are called "game-changing" heh. What would be awesome is if these types of rewards were tweaked so that they were not game-changing. Such as instead of getting barrier as a quest spell, why not just give them protection (for a shifter) or stoneskin (for an invoker) or giant strength/whatever (for an AP). All of those skills are very useful for those classes, and don't "break" the fun-stick for other players.

Why is it even necessary to give "game-changing" rewards in the first place? If every reward was cosmetic and low-end in power, I'm sure at first people would bitch but eventually it would create a system whereby each player had a chance to reach a certain power thresh-hold without having to worry about IMM involvement (let's just pretend ABS and the shifter lottery doesn't exist in this case). Therefore, you'd completely invalidate many of the arguments and vitriol that exist in CF currently. No longer would you have people complaining that RayBaer is killing CF, because her followers would have the same chances to get rewards that followers of Eshval would have.

As to your point about Immortals being reticet to give rewards, read Iunna's post. She basically illustrated what I think her and Thror have stated in the past about rewards and how they give them out.

Hope you get that memo done I've resigned myself to getting no sleep tonight and finishing my case study at 4am

  

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HOT TopicAnyone else concerned about the arms race CF has become... [View all] , TMNS, Tue 16-Oct-12 01:10 AM
Reply RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be..., SideStrider, 26-Oct-12 06:02 PM, #137
Reply Roles aren't about story quality., Tesline, 26-Oct-12 06:32 PM, #138
Reply Role XP Note, Reksah, 30-Oct-12 03:08 PM, #146
Reply Ummmmmmmmmm...., Stunna, 16-Oct-12 12:38 PM, #131
Reply "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal..., Quixotic, 14-Oct-12 11:39 PM, #114
Reply Shockingly enough this threat made things a lot more cl..., Tesline, 14-Oct-12 11:56 PM, #117
Reply My take., Graatch, 14-Oct-12 09:24 PM, #108
Reply I can support this. nt, Artificial, 14-Oct-12 09:25 PM, #109
Reply What my boy Graatch said. nt, Dallevian, 14-Oct-12 09:26 PM, #110
Reply I support this fully., Zephon, 14-Oct-12 09:33 PM, #111
Reply I agree too. nt, Tesline, 14-Oct-12 11:28 PM, #112
Reply Agreed (n/t), orangepowered, 15-Oct-12 09:18 AM, #120
Reply RE: My take., Daevryn, 15-Oct-12 06:05 PM, #121
Reply God I just want to punch you in the face sometimes., TMNS, 15-Oct-12 06:22 PM, #122
Reply RE: God I just want to punch you in the face sometimes., Daevryn, 19-Oct-12 04:25 PM, #133
     Reply Are you some kind of robotman? =P NT, vargal, 19-Oct-12 05:16 PM, #135
     Reply Not necessarily knee-capping..., TMNS, 19-Oct-12 08:06 PM, #136
     Reply Just saw a log and nearly pooped myself. Really?, TMNS, 29-Oct-12 04:55 PM, #139
          Reply RE: Just saw a log and nearly pooped myself. Really?, Daevryn, 29-Oct-12 05:21 PM, #140
               Reply I really want to punch you in the face., TMNS, 29-Oct-12 05:34 PM, #141
                    Reply RE: I really want to punch you in the face., Daevryn, 29-Oct-12 06:40 PM, #142
                         Reply I've got logs to post later (n/t), Zulghinlour, 29-Oct-12 07:13 PM, #143
                              Reply naked logs? nt, Dallevian, 29-Oct-12 08:04 PM, #144
                                   Reply Organic logs? nt, Tsunami, 29-Oct-12 08:29 PM, #145
Reply Gotta say, this sounds cool., Zephon, 16-Oct-12 12:17 AM, #127
Reply This. nt, colospgsbryan, 15-Oct-12 09:46 PM, #125
Reply Also, FWIW (to the "He has sour grapes" crew) I donated..., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 08:32 PM, #106
Reply I am also unconcerned., Akresius, 14-Oct-12 07:01 PM, #95
Reply Feh. Said that other post would be my last..., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 07:16 PM, #97
Reply Clearly you need some things outlined for you., Artificial, 14-Oct-12 07:29 PM, #99
Reply Because you completely missed the point..., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 07:48 PM, #100
     Reply RE: Because you completely missed the point..., Artificial, 14-Oct-12 08:42 PM, #107
Reply RE: Feh. Said that other post would be my last..., Akresius, 14-Oct-12 07:58 PM, #102
     Reply Just some points on your post., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 08:13 PM, #104
          Reply How do you automate judging what is good RP?, DurNominator, 14-Oct-12 11:42 PM, #115
               Reply This system I propose would only automate the rewards g..., TMNS, 15-Oct-12 11:09 PM, #126
Reply RE: I am also unconcerned., DurNominator, 14-Oct-12 11:54 PM, #116
     Reply If I may..., Bajula, 15-Oct-12 02:34 AM, #118
     Reply False assumption, Akresius, 15-Oct-12 07:36 PM, #123
          Reply Acutally, he is saying you dont have to know who they a..., Zephon, 16-Oct-12 12:24 AM, #128
          Reply I am not operating under that assumption, DurNominator, 16-Oct-12 01:31 AM, #130
               Reply RE: I am not operating under that assumption, Akresius, 16-Oct-12 04:50 PM, #132
Reply I'm not concerned., trewyn, 14-Oct-12 01:25 PM, #57
Reply Oh...wow...this...is a big one., Tesline, 14-Oct-12 02:06 PM, #58
Reply What. The. ####?, TMNS, 14-Oct-12 03:06 PM, #64
Reply Poor you!, Artificial, 14-Oct-12 02:57 PM, #61
Reply RE: I'm not concerned., Daevryn, 14-Oct-12 03:26 PM, #68
     Reply I did the search but didn't count carefully., DurNominator, 14-Oct-12 03:46 PM, #70
          Reply Seems about par for everyone, Splntrd, 14-Oct-12 06:13 PM, #92
Reply Get bent, jalbrin, 14-Oct-12 12:27 PM, #56
Reply This ^ nt, Tesline, 14-Oct-12 02:06 PM, #59
Reply Perhaps you should read my posts instead of..., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 02:58 PM, #62
Reply RE: Get bent, DurNominator, 14-Oct-12 11:29 PM, #113
Reply RE: Get bent, colospgsbryan, 15-Oct-12 08:59 PM, #124
Reply RE: Get bent, Eskelian, 19-Oct-12 04:45 PM, #134
Reply RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be..., KaguMaru, 14-Oct-12 12:04 PM, #55
Reply Quick thought., Lightmage, 13-Oct-12 10:46 PM, #45
Reply As someone who HAS been heavily rewarded, I was..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:54 PM, #46
Reply You are being wildly unreasonable., Artificial, 13-Oct-12 09:18 PM, #36
Reply I DIDN'T GET GREATER DEMON SUMMONING :(, TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:03 PM, #39
     Reply I was also an almost 400 hour cabal leader, Artificial, 13-Oct-12 11:55 PM, #47
          Reply I'm unsure why you think your RP wasn't rewarded?, TMNS, 14-Oct-12 12:08 AM, #48
               Reply ...what?, Artificial, 14-Oct-12 12:55 AM, #49
                    Reply Been a long day., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 01:09 AM, #50
                         Reply I am eternal and unchanging. nt, Artificial, 14-Oct-12 01:10 AM, #51
Reply RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be..., Daevryn, 13-Oct-12 06:47 PM, #31
Reply Hey awesome. As long it isn't ooc favoritism do it. , TJHuron, 13-Oct-12 07:55 PM, #32
Reply RE: Hey awesome. As long it isn't ooc favoritism do it...., Daevryn, 13-Oct-12 07:59 PM, #33
     Reply I'd disagree., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 08:57 PM, #35
     Reply RE: I'd disagree., Yargy (Anonymous), 13-Oct-12 09:30 PM, #37
     Reply Part of the reason I used you as an example..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:15 PM, #41
          Reply RE: Part of the reason I used you as an example..., Yargy (Anonymous), 13-Oct-12 10:26 PM, #42
               Reply Good. One of things I wanted out of this post..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:34 PM, #43
     Reply RE: I'd disagree., Daevryn, 13-Oct-12 09:56 PM, #38
          Reply Oh, I was never saying that., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:42 PM, #44
     Reply Don't get me wrong, TJHuron, 14-Oct-12 10:58 AM, #53
Reply I feel somewhat like you're being evasive..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 08:53 PM, #34
     Reply RE: I feel somewhat like you're being evasive..., Daevryn, 13-Oct-12 10:02 PM, #129
          Reply Part of the reason I think they are too much..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:12 PM, #40
          Reply RE: I feel somewhat like you're being evasive..., Iunna, 14-Oct-12 08:53 AM, #52
Reply I agree, DurNominator, 13-Oct-12 01:02 PM, #9
Reply The problem with this is., Tesline, 13-Oct-12 01:26 PM, #11
Reply And that is how they should be., DurNominator, 13-Oct-12 02:03 PM, #12
Reply I've always thought it would be neat if, TJHuron, 13-Oct-12 03:02 PM, #16
Reply Fireblood has been given as a reward many times., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 03:09 PM, #17
     Reply Ok so don't laugh but what's fire blood? Nt, TJHuron, 13-Oct-12 03:49 PM, #20
          Reply Fireblood, not fire blood., DurNominator, 13-Oct-12 03:51 PM, #21
               Reply iPhone did it nt, TJHuron, 13-Oct-12 04:36 PM, #24
Reply I agree with this. nt, Marcus_, 14-Oct-12 02:58 PM, #63
Reply I agree with this mostly., Zephon, 14-Oct-12 03:50 PM, #71
Reply I've never had much of them but I don't mind rewards be..., TJHuron, 13-Oct-12 12:31 PM, #8
Reply As a more casual CFer..., vargal, 13-Oct-12 11:59 AM, #7
Reply Completely disagree., Tesline, 13-Oct-12 11:18 AM, #6
Reply The system is not all that bad., lasentia, 13-Oct-12 09:47 AM, #5
Reply I'm kind of wishy washy on this., Iunna, 13-Oct-12 07:59 AM, #4
Reply I like your stated policy, DurNominator, 13-Oct-12 01:20 PM, #10
Reply Some responses (and thank you for your perspective)., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 02:55 PM, #15
Reply Who or what do you think is really THAT far skewed from..., Puhguly, 13-Oct-12 06:54 AM, #2
Reply Listen...it's just the culture shift I'm worried about., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 02:51 PM, #14
     Reply Out of the people who are actually bitching about rewar..., Puhguly, 13-Oct-12 03:18 PM, #18
          Reply You hit inadvertantly proved my point..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 03:30 PM, #19
               Reply I agree, to a point, Puhguly, 13-Oct-12 04:01 PM, #22
                    Reply I suppose this is where I have a fundemental disconnect..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 05:17 PM, #25
                         Reply I dont play for the rewards, but like you said, they ar..., Puhguly, 13-Oct-12 05:47 PM, #27
                              Reply I think that's the point though..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 06:31 PM, #29
Reply RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be..., GoTeamUnderdog, 13-Oct-12 03:32 AM, #1
     Reply I actually like them being handed out as they are so fa..., Batman (Anonymous), 13-Oct-12 07:51 AM, #3
          Reply Leaders did used to get cool #### back in the day., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 02:47 PM, #13
               Reply I agree with you that role-contest awards are over the ..., Amberion, 13-Oct-12 04:28 PM, #23
                    Reply I don't want you to think I'm picking on you dude..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 05:23 PM, #26
                         Reply Him getting his unholy returned one time was a choice m..., Puhguly, 13-Oct-12 05:48 PM, #28
                              Reply It happened twice ;), TMNS, 13-Oct-12 06:38 PM, #30
                                   Reply Easy fix: Limit ALL rewards to cosmetic changes and IMM..., -flso, 14-Oct-12 11:24 AM, #54
                                        Reply Greatly effected?, Tesline, 14-Oct-12 02:13 PM, #60
                                        Reply You're on crack if you don't think...., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 03:09 PM, #65
                                        Reply RE: You're on crack if you don't think...., Daevryn, 14-Oct-12 03:25 PM, #67
                                             Reply Wow. Bravo., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 03:41 PM, #69
                                                  Reply RE: Wow. Bravo., Daevryn, 14-Oct-12 04:32 PM, #73
                                                       Reply First off, I come across horrible in print..., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 05:07 PM, #77
                                                            Reply About dopple and that tranmuter, CraftedD (Anonymous), 14-Oct-12 05:39 PM, #86
                                                                 Reply Some facts., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 05:43 PM, #88
                                        Reply You keep missing the point, -flso, 14-Oct-12 03:24 PM, #66
                                             Reply I think your missing the point., Tesline, 14-Oct-12 04:16 PM, #72
                                        Reply RE: Easy fix: Limit ALL rewards to cosmetic changes and..., Daevryn, 14-Oct-12 04:31 PM, #74
                                             Reply Such an interesting conversation. To sum it up..., Knac, 14-Oct-12 04:52 PM, #75
                                             Reply Also, re: Ghrimriddor, Knac, 14-Oct-12 05:08 PM, #78
                                                  Reply Huh? A little confused., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 05:14 PM, #79
                                                       Reply RE: Huh? A little confused., Knac, 14-Oct-12 05:20 PM, #81
                                                            Reply I brought it up because of Tavlin., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 05:40 PM, #87
                                                                 Reply RE: I brought it up because of Tavlin., Knac, 14-Oct-12 05:53 PM, #89
                                                                      Reply I started this thread because of Narissorin's deletion., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 06:01 PM, #90
                                                                           Reply RE: I started this thread because of Narissorin's delet..., Knac, 14-Oct-12 06:29 PM, #91
                                                                                Reply Not asking them to baby-sit at all., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 06:34 PM, #93
                                                                                     Reply That may work... However., Knac, 14-Oct-12 06:46 PM, #94
                                                                                     Reply Counters, TMNS, 14-Oct-12 07:02 PM, #96
                                                                                     Reply Good points, Knac, 14-Oct-12 07:20 PM, #98
                                                                                     Reply Bleh. Damn you for having a good argument!, TMNS, 14-Oct-12 07:59 PM #103
                                                                                     Reply The high avg drowning weapon isn't from the religion so..., Iklahn (Anonymous), 14-Oct-12 08:30 PM, #105
                                                                                     Reply RE: Not asking them to baby-sit at all., DurNominator, 15-Oct-12 08:51 AM, #119
                                             Reply Rewards that affect gameplay should be handed down in a..., -flso, 14-Oct-12 05:10 PM, #76
                                                  Reply Everyone is able to compete for them fairly and transpa..., Knac, 14-Oct-12 05:17 PM, #80
                                                  Reply Missed the point, do you ppl even read what you respond..., -flso, 14-Oct-12 05:23 PM, #82
                                                       Reply The single biggest reason to why I play CF is: ANYTHING..., Amberion, 14-Oct-12 05:31 PM, #83
                                                       Reply RE: Missed the point, do you ppl even read what you res..., Knac, 14-Oct-12 05:32 PM, #84
                                                       Reply Your the only one agruing a point that doesn't make muc..., Tesline, 14-Oct-12 05:37 PM, #85
                                                  Reply RE: Rewards that affect gameplay should be handed down ..., Daevryn, 14-Oct-12 07:56 PM, #101
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