lasentia | Sat 13-Oct-12 09:47 AM |
Member since 27th Apr 2010
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#47378, "The system is not all that bad."
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I play two types of characters- old ass ones that go to age death and throw away trash chars that I don't take past 30 95% of the time. Every single one of my old ass chars that I play seriously goes well over 200 hours and was rewarded to a degree, except my very first char that I made to learn how to play CF. (Yay for Zannon!) Thendrell, 3 virtues / tattooed. (And that was because Ysal took pity on a newbie learning the game and took it on herself to actively help me get better at really playing a character.) Kalisda- Two RC honorable mentions- got a cabal edge and 2 con Lasentia- Got +2 chr for RC, courage spell for Thror tournament Allysia- +1 charisma for being old as hell Salyeris- Battlecry skill, +2 con for RC, tattoo and quest instrument
However, looking at my char pbfs, in almost all cases those rewards came at a fairly late point in life by CF standards- a point where most players have already deleted since most chars never top 200 hours. And outside of Thendrell getting 3 virtues and a tattoo (and I was uncaballed and did no pk'ing really), it would be hard to say any of these were over rewarded or extremely powerful because of imm rewards. And with all those rewards, I was happy to get them because they were bonuses. Any bonus is nice to get, but they are never required to make a char tough. Allysia was actually my strongest char PK wise, and she was the least rewarded of them all. Rewards don't make the char strong, the player does. My bards do well because I learned the class, not because of the rewards they got.
So that said, I have no problem with people getting rewards and some people being tougher than others. However, I also have to think any reward should truly be earned. The turnover in CF is so easy that there is not all that much incentive to sticking it out with a char. You notice this a lot when you play a single char for a very long time- that you have maybe a group of 8-10 chars that are consistent and that is around like you are, but otherwise, it's mostly new faces every 5 to 6 weeks. People throw in the towel early and often, for whatever reason. And that's their choice to make, but how many RC winners have we seen where the guy deletes within a week of winning? How many chars ever make it past 200 hours even? (I'd say less than 10%) We notice the strong ones because they are the ones sticking it out. They are the old characters. They have gained notoriety that makes them stand out. I couldn't tell you a thing about Oshui for example, I'd never heard of the guy until people started bitching about black jaguar. I think he talked smack to my Commander once, that was about it. But now, everyone knows who he is mainly because of a reward he got. Then they blame Baer for it and for favoring people, which is not really fair to her. I think Baer is a cheerleader for CF as a whole, not just for her followers. She puts a lot of effort into CF that goes unnoticed and unappreciated I'm sure. But the second she gives one guy a perk, people complain. I don't even think his was an RC, which makes it even harder to bitch about. RCs are the only thing I take issue with, and even then, it's hit or miss.
A RC should be a reward for people having truly played out their role instead of just having written it. Put a 200 hour minimum on a char before they can enter a RC, hell make it 300. It should be a reward for people having an actual impact on the game by their presence, not people that don't have any impact until they get the reward. Also, the reward should not be the rich getting richer- make the rewards more subtle. Battlecry on Salyeris was a nice perk, but it was functionally useless in terms of making my char stronger. It netted me maybe 2 kills in the 400 hours I had it. But it was a nice RP perk that gave me a slight edge. The con itself was the best reward, because that enabled me to just keep playing and having fun in the game.
Putting requirements on an RC entry ensures the guy is playing the role to play the role, not writing the role to try and gain an RC win. The scion def/def shifter may be awesome, but people are going to see the char as nothing but an OP over rewarded scion shifter because they gave an offensive quest form to a def/def scion. There are valid concerns when you can win an RC in 50 or even 100 hours. There are concerns when you give a def/def shifter in scion a highly offensive form to compliment his already high power level. (And I just hate shifters and will never see thje appeal of playing another one anyway, but that is my personal bias coming through) And people will key in on those chars far more than the ones who never get anything, and point and cry foul and say "why not me?".
As players, we have to stop thinking of CF as a place where our char is the most important, where we should be rambo and kill everyone and blame everyone else when it does not work out. I roll chars, rank to 11, and charge people and die. Get up, do it a few more times, then delete. I had fun for a few hours, and Cf enabled me to do that. Cause hey, why the hell not? If people stopped thinking PK was the end all be all, or that PK statistics in any way shape or form even mattered, we'd all be better off.
You know what I got for hitting 250 pks with a character? The same thing Phyliis Weaver got for choosing the box in wheel of fish instead of taking the Red Snapper. Absolutelty nothing. (Really, this whole post was really just a way for me to put a UHF reference in) The CF imms didn't send me a check for $500.00 and a plaque saying congratulation for winning CF signed by the entire Immn staff. They didn't say you get to choose a special race/class combo for your next char. Basically, all that I got for playing a char for 990 hours was the fun of playing the character. And if it's not fun to play a char because you feel like you need rewards to compete against a handful of other people that have them, well, that's just unfortunate. There is fun to be had in CF even when you're not PKing people.
And if people really want those super juiced characters dead it's pretty easy actually. Any two people can easily make a combo of two chars that can effectively slaughter any one. But I think at the heart of it what people complain about is not that there are tough chars around, it's just that at the moment they are not playing one of them.
Luckily there's a solution for that. Play a wood-elf bard! It's so easy, even a newb can do it, I'm proof of that.
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Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has become...
[View all] , TMNS, Tue 16-Oct-12 01:10 AM
RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be...,
SideStrider,
26-Oct-12 06:02 PM, #137
Roles aren't about story quality.,
Tesline,
26-Oct-12 06:32 PM, #138
Role XP Note,
Reksah,
30-Oct-12 03:08 PM, #146
Ummmmmmmmmm....,
Stunna,
16-Oct-12 12:38 PM, #131
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal...,
Quixotic,
14-Oct-12 11:39 PM, #114
Shockingly enough this threat made things a lot more cl...,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 11:56 PM, #117
My take.,
Graatch,
14-Oct-12 09:24 PM, #108
I can support this. nt,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 09:25 PM, #109
What my boy Graatch said. nt,
Dallevian,
14-Oct-12 09:26 PM, #110
I support this fully.,
Zephon,
14-Oct-12 09:33 PM, #111
I agree too. nt,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 11:28 PM, #112
Agreed (n/t),
orangepowered,
15-Oct-12 09:18 AM, #120
RE: My take.,
Daevryn,
15-Oct-12 06:05 PM, #121
God I just want to punch you in the face sometimes.,
TMNS,
15-Oct-12 06:22 PM, #122
RE: God I just want to punch you in the face sometimes.,
Daevryn,
19-Oct-12 04:25 PM, #133
Are you some kind of robotman? =P NT,
vargal,
19-Oct-12 05:16 PM, #135
Not necessarily knee-capping...,
TMNS,
19-Oct-12 08:06 PM, #136
Just saw a log and nearly pooped myself. Really?,
TMNS,
29-Oct-12 04:55 PM, #139
RE: Just saw a log and nearly pooped myself. Really?,
Daevryn,
29-Oct-12 05:21 PM, #140
I really want to punch you in the face.,
TMNS,
29-Oct-12 05:34 PM, #141
RE: I really want to punch you in the face.,
Daevryn,
29-Oct-12 06:40 PM, #142
I've got logs to post later (n/t),
Zulghinlour,
29-Oct-12 07:13 PM, #143
naked logs? nt,
Dallevian,
29-Oct-12 08:04 PM, #144
Organic logs? nt,
Tsunami,
29-Oct-12 08:29 PM, #145
Gotta say, this sounds cool.,
Zephon,
16-Oct-12 12:17 AM, #127
This. nt,
colospgsbryan,
15-Oct-12 09:46 PM, #125
Also, FWIW (to the "He has sour grapes" crew) I donated...,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 08:32 PM, #106
I am also unconcerned.,
Akresius,
14-Oct-12 07:01 PM, #95
Feh. Said that other post would be my last...,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 07:16 PM, #97
Clearly you need some things outlined for you.,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 07:29 PM, #99
Because you completely missed the point...,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 07:48 PM, #100
RE: Because you completely missed the point...,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 08:42 PM, #107
RE: Feh. Said that other post would be my last...,
Akresius,
14-Oct-12 07:58 PM, #102
Just some points on your post.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 08:13 PM, #104
How do you automate judging what is good RP?,
DurNominator,
14-Oct-12 11:42 PM, #115
This system I propose would only automate the rewards g...,
TMNS,
15-Oct-12 11:09 PM, #126
RE: I am also unconcerned.,
DurNominator,
14-Oct-12 11:54 PM, #116
If I may...,
Bajula,
15-Oct-12 02:34 AM, #118
False assumption,
Akresius,
15-Oct-12 07:36 PM, #123
Acutally, he is saying you dont have to know who they a...,
Zephon,
16-Oct-12 12:24 AM, #128
I am not operating under that assumption,
DurNominator,
16-Oct-12 01:31 AM, #130
RE: I am not operating under that assumption,
Akresius,
16-Oct-12 04:50 PM, #132
I'm not concerned.,
trewyn,
14-Oct-12 01:25 PM, #57
Oh...wow...this...is a big one.,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 02:06 PM, #58
What. The. ####?,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 03:06 PM, #64
Poor you!,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 02:57 PM, #61
RE: I'm not concerned.,
Daevryn,
14-Oct-12 03:26 PM, #68
I did the search but didn't count carefully.,
DurNominator,
14-Oct-12 03:46 PM, #70
Seems about par for everyone,
Splntrd,
14-Oct-12 06:13 PM, #92
Get bent,
jalbrin,
14-Oct-12 12:27 PM, #56
This ^ nt,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 02:06 PM, #59
Perhaps you should read my posts instead of...,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 02:58 PM, #62
RE: Get bent,
DurNominator,
14-Oct-12 11:29 PM, #113
RE: Get bent,
colospgsbryan,
15-Oct-12 08:59 PM, #124
RE: Get bent,
Eskelian,
19-Oct-12 04:45 PM, #134
RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be...,
KaguMaru,
14-Oct-12 12:04 PM, #55
Quick thought.,
Lightmage,
13-Oct-12 10:46 PM, #45
As someone who HAS been heavily rewarded, I was...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:54 PM, #46
You are being wildly unreasonable.,
Artificial,
13-Oct-12 09:18 PM, #36
I DIDN'T GET GREATER DEMON SUMMONING :(,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:03 PM, #39
I was also an almost 400 hour cabal leader,
Artificial,
13-Oct-12 11:55 PM, #47
I'm unsure why you think your RP wasn't rewarded?,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 12:08 AM, #48
...what?,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 12:55 AM, #49
Been a long day.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 01:09 AM, #50
I am eternal and unchanging. nt,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 01:10 AM, #51
RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be...,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-12 06:47 PM, #31
Hey awesome. As long it isn't ooc favoritism do it. ,
TJHuron,
13-Oct-12 07:55 PM, #32
RE: Hey awesome. As long it isn't ooc favoritism do it....,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-12 07:59 PM, #33
I'd disagree.,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 08:57 PM, #35
RE: I'd disagree.,
Yargy (Anonymous),
13-Oct-12 09:30 PM, #37
Part of the reason I used you as an example...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:15 PM, #41
RE: Part of the reason I used you as an example...,
Yargy (Anonymous),
13-Oct-12 10:26 PM, #42
Good. One of things I wanted out of this post...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:34 PM, #43
RE: I'd disagree.,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-12 09:56 PM, #38
Oh, I was never saying that.,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:42 PM, #44
Don't get me wrong,
TJHuron,
14-Oct-12 10:58 AM, #53
I feel somewhat like you're being evasive...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 08:53 PM, #34
RE: I feel somewhat like you're being evasive...,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-12 10:02 PM, #129
Part of the reason I think they are too much...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:12 PM, #40
RE: I feel somewhat like you're being evasive...,
Iunna,
14-Oct-12 08:53 AM, #52
I agree,
DurNominator,
13-Oct-12 01:02 PM, #9
The problem with this is.,
Tesline,
13-Oct-12 01:26 PM, #11
And that is how they should be.,
DurNominator,
13-Oct-12 02:03 PM, #12
I've always thought it would be neat if,
TJHuron,
13-Oct-12 03:02 PM, #16
Fireblood has been given as a reward many times.,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 03:09 PM, #17
Ok so don't laugh but what's fire blood? Nt,
TJHuron,
13-Oct-12 03:49 PM, #20
Fireblood, not fire blood.,
DurNominator,
13-Oct-12 03:51 PM, #21
iPhone did it nt,
TJHuron,
13-Oct-12 04:36 PM, #24
I agree with this. nt,
Marcus_,
14-Oct-12 02:58 PM, #63
I agree with this mostly.,
Zephon,
14-Oct-12 03:50 PM, #71
I've never had much of them but I don't mind rewards be...,
TJHuron,
13-Oct-12 12:31 PM, #8
As a more casual CFer...,
vargal,
13-Oct-12 11:59 AM, #7
Completely disagree.,
Tesline,
13-Oct-12 11:18 AM, #6
The system is not all that bad.,
lasentia,
13-Oct-12 09:47 AM #5
I'm kind of wishy washy on this.,
Iunna,
13-Oct-12 07:59 AM, #4
I like your stated policy,
DurNominator,
13-Oct-12 01:20 PM, #10
Some responses (and thank you for your perspective).,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 02:55 PM, #15
Who or what do you think is really THAT far skewed from...,
Puhguly,
13-Oct-12 06:54 AM, #2
Listen...it's just the culture shift I'm worried about.,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 02:51 PM, #14
Out of the people who are actually bitching about rewar...,
Puhguly,
13-Oct-12 03:18 PM, #18
You hit inadvertantly proved my point...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 03:30 PM, #19
I agree, to a point,
Puhguly,
13-Oct-12 04:01 PM, #22
I suppose this is where I have a fundemental disconnect...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 05:17 PM, #25
I dont play for the rewards, but like you said, they ar...,
Puhguly,
13-Oct-12 05:47 PM, #27
I think that's the point though...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 06:31 PM, #29
RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be...,
GoTeamUnderdog,
13-Oct-12 03:32 AM, #1
I actually like them being handed out as they are so fa...,
Batman (Anonymous),
13-Oct-12 07:51 AM, #3
Leaders did used to get cool #### back in the day.,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 02:47 PM, #13
I agree with you that role-contest awards are over the ...,
Amberion,
13-Oct-12 04:28 PM, #23
I don't want you to think I'm picking on you dude...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 05:23 PM, #26
Him getting his unholy returned one time was a choice m...,
Puhguly,
13-Oct-12 05:48 PM, #28
It happened twice ;),
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 06:38 PM, #30
Easy fix: Limit ALL rewards to cosmetic changes and IMM...,
-flso,
14-Oct-12 11:24 AM, #54
Greatly effected?,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 02:13 PM, #60
You're on crack if you don't think....,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 03:09 PM, #65
RE: You're on crack if you don't think....,
Daevryn,
14-Oct-12 03:25 PM, #67
Wow. Bravo.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 03:41 PM, #69
RE: Wow. Bravo.,
Daevryn,
14-Oct-12 04:32 PM, #73
First off, I come across horrible in print...,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 05:07 PM, #77
About dopple and that tranmuter,
CraftedD (Anonymous),
14-Oct-12 05:39 PM, #86
Some facts.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 05:43 PM, #88
You keep missing the point,
-flso,
14-Oct-12 03:24 PM, #66
I think your missing the point.,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 04:16 PM, #72
RE: Easy fix: Limit ALL rewards to cosmetic changes and...,
Daevryn,
14-Oct-12 04:31 PM, #74
Such an interesting conversation. To sum it up...,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 04:52 PM, #75
Also, re: Ghrimriddor,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 05:08 PM, #78
Huh? A little confused.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 05:14 PM, #79
RE: Huh? A little confused.,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 05:20 PM, #81
I brought it up because of Tavlin.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 05:40 PM, #87
RE: I brought it up because of Tavlin.,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 05:53 PM, #89
I started this thread because of Narissorin's deletion.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 06:01 PM, #90
RE: I started this thread because of Narissorin's delet...,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 06:29 PM, #91
Not asking them to baby-sit at all.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 06:34 PM, #93
That may work... However.,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 06:46 PM, #94
Counters,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 07:02 PM, #96
Good points,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 07:20 PM, #98
Bleh. Damn you for having a good argument!,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 07:59 PM, #103
The high avg drowning weapon isn't from the religion so...,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
14-Oct-12 08:30 PM, #105
RE: Not asking them to baby-sit at all.,
DurNominator,
15-Oct-12 08:51 AM, #119
Rewards that affect gameplay should be handed down in a...,
-flso,
14-Oct-12 05:10 PM, #76
Everyone is able to compete for them fairly and transpa...,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 05:17 PM, #80
Missed the point, do you ppl even read what you respond...,
-flso,
14-Oct-12 05:23 PM, #82
The single biggest reason to why I play CF is: ANYTHING...,
Amberion,
14-Oct-12 05:31 PM, #83
RE: Missed the point, do you ppl even read what you res...,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 05:32 PM, #84
Your the only one agruing a point that doesn't make muc...,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 05:37 PM, #85
RE: Rewards that affect gameplay should be handed down ...,
Daevryn,
14-Oct-12 07:56 PM, #101
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