TMNS | Sun 14-Oct-12 07:16 PM |
Member since 10th Jun 2009
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#47478, "Feh. Said that other post would be my last..."
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..but because I like you, I'll respond to this.
Here's the situation. In an organization, you seek to create and sustain a competitive advantage. You would normally do this by creating a total quality environment in which standards are riguorously enforced. You would also try to constantly tweak the system that enforces this advantage/adherance to standards to deal with changing dynamics in your employee base (IMMs) and customers (players).
What I am trying to propose is to create a system whereby you cut down on a number of "defects" and "complaints". By automating the role contest and how rewards are given, you completely take any perception of bias away from the customers, which allow the employee base to focus on what they need to be doing from an organizational stand-point. Of course there would still be some players who feel slighted, but these would be easily explainable and completely understandable reasons (I couldn't get empowered for 50 hrs and two weeks - Well, your IMM was on vacation).
That system would do wonders to wipe out the sense of entitlement that the playerbase has currently. If you made it so each player knew the requirements, knew they had just as good of a chance as the next guy to meet those requirements, well then, I'd imagine you'd have a lot of knowledgable happy customers/players.
To claim that you (as Immortals) don't need to worry about this problem because "there will always be complaints" is amazingly short-sighted. It's almost as if you guys have given up trying to create the best possible product for the marketplace. If that is true, then no offense, let me (and several others) be an IMM and ####ing quit. Because if you aren't doing your job as an administrator, go back to being a player and let someone else who wants to do it do it. I don't understand why a lot of very intelligent Immortals don't grasp this. If you worked at Microsoft and you went to one of your employees and were like "Hey, joe employee, I noticed you haven't responded to some of my customer complaints" and he said "Yeah, well, you can't please everyone all the time" I'd ####ing fire him (well, actually, I'd talk to him first and explain why that IS important...if he did it again though he'd be ####-canned).
I just cannot believe that none of you immortals see that the attitude of "I can't possibly please every player" is a problem. I never said that you could, mind you, but that should ALWAYS be your goal. You should always seek to please as many people as you can possibly can, because they are your customers. Without customers, your organization would not exist. I'm proposing a dialogue and a system that would make it EASIER to please players and yet some of you don't grasp that. It's frustrating to me as an emerging business person to see that type of attitude.
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Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has become...
[View all] , TMNS, Tue 16-Oct-12 01:10 AM
RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be...,
SideStrider,
26-Oct-12 06:02 PM, #137
Roles aren't about story quality.,
Tesline,
26-Oct-12 06:32 PM, #138
Role XP Note,
Reksah,
30-Oct-12 03:08 PM, #146
Ummmmmmmmmm....,
Stunna,
16-Oct-12 12:38 PM, #131
"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal...,
Quixotic,
14-Oct-12 11:39 PM, #114
Shockingly enough this threat made things a lot more cl...,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 11:56 PM, #117
My take.,
Graatch,
14-Oct-12 09:24 PM, #108
I can support this. nt,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 09:25 PM, #109
What my boy Graatch said. nt,
Dallevian,
14-Oct-12 09:26 PM, #110
I support this fully.,
Zephon,
14-Oct-12 09:33 PM, #111
I agree too. nt,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 11:28 PM, #112
Agreed (n/t),
orangepowered,
15-Oct-12 09:18 AM, #120
RE: My take.,
Daevryn,
15-Oct-12 06:05 PM, #121
God I just want to punch you in the face sometimes.,
TMNS,
15-Oct-12 06:22 PM, #122
RE: God I just want to punch you in the face sometimes.,
Daevryn,
19-Oct-12 04:25 PM, #133
Are you some kind of robotman? =P NT,
vargal,
19-Oct-12 05:16 PM, #135
Not necessarily knee-capping...,
TMNS,
19-Oct-12 08:06 PM, #136
Just saw a log and nearly pooped myself. Really?,
TMNS,
29-Oct-12 04:55 PM, #139
RE: Just saw a log and nearly pooped myself. Really?,
Daevryn,
29-Oct-12 05:21 PM, #140
I really want to punch you in the face.,
TMNS,
29-Oct-12 05:34 PM, #141
RE: I really want to punch you in the face.,
Daevryn,
29-Oct-12 06:40 PM, #142
I've got logs to post later (n/t),
Zulghinlour,
29-Oct-12 07:13 PM, #143
naked logs? nt,
Dallevian,
29-Oct-12 08:04 PM, #144
Organic logs? nt,
Tsunami,
29-Oct-12 08:29 PM, #145
Gotta say, this sounds cool.,
Zephon,
16-Oct-12 12:17 AM, #127
This. nt,
colospgsbryan,
15-Oct-12 09:46 PM, #125
Also, FWIW (to the "He has sour grapes" crew) I donated...,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 08:32 PM, #106
I am also unconcerned.,
Akresius,
14-Oct-12 07:01 PM, #95
Feh. Said that other post would be my last...,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 07:16 PM #97
Clearly you need some things outlined for you.,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 07:29 PM, #99
Because you completely missed the point...,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 07:48 PM, #100
RE: Because you completely missed the point...,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 08:42 PM, #107
RE: Feh. Said that other post would be my last...,
Akresius,
14-Oct-12 07:58 PM, #102
Just some points on your post.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 08:13 PM, #104
How do you automate judging what is good RP?,
DurNominator,
14-Oct-12 11:42 PM, #115
This system I propose would only automate the rewards g...,
TMNS,
15-Oct-12 11:09 PM, #126
RE: I am also unconcerned.,
DurNominator,
14-Oct-12 11:54 PM, #116
If I may...,
Bajula,
15-Oct-12 02:34 AM, #118
False assumption,
Akresius,
15-Oct-12 07:36 PM, #123
Acutally, he is saying you dont have to know who they a...,
Zephon,
16-Oct-12 12:24 AM, #128
I am not operating under that assumption,
DurNominator,
16-Oct-12 01:31 AM, #130
RE: I am not operating under that assumption,
Akresius,
16-Oct-12 04:50 PM, #132
I'm not concerned.,
trewyn,
14-Oct-12 01:25 PM, #57
Oh...wow...this...is a big one.,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 02:06 PM, #58
What. The. ####?,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 03:06 PM, #64
Poor you!,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 02:57 PM, #61
RE: I'm not concerned.,
Daevryn,
14-Oct-12 03:26 PM, #68
I did the search but didn't count carefully.,
DurNominator,
14-Oct-12 03:46 PM, #70
Seems about par for everyone,
Splntrd,
14-Oct-12 06:13 PM, #92
Get bent,
jalbrin,
14-Oct-12 12:27 PM, #56
This ^ nt,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 02:06 PM, #59
Perhaps you should read my posts instead of...,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 02:58 PM, #62
RE: Get bent,
DurNominator,
14-Oct-12 11:29 PM, #113
RE: Get bent,
colospgsbryan,
15-Oct-12 08:59 PM, #124
RE: Get bent,
Eskelian,
19-Oct-12 04:45 PM, #134
RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be...,
KaguMaru,
14-Oct-12 12:04 PM, #55
Quick thought.,
Lightmage,
13-Oct-12 10:46 PM, #45
As someone who HAS been heavily rewarded, I was...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:54 PM, #46
You are being wildly unreasonable.,
Artificial,
13-Oct-12 09:18 PM, #36
I DIDN'T GET GREATER DEMON SUMMONING :(,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:03 PM, #39
I was also an almost 400 hour cabal leader,
Artificial,
13-Oct-12 11:55 PM, #47
I'm unsure why you think your RP wasn't rewarded?,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 12:08 AM, #48
...what?,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 12:55 AM, #49
Been a long day.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 01:09 AM, #50
I am eternal and unchanging. nt,
Artificial,
14-Oct-12 01:10 AM, #51
RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be...,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-12 06:47 PM, #31
Hey awesome. As long it isn't ooc favoritism do it. ,
TJHuron,
13-Oct-12 07:55 PM, #32
RE: Hey awesome. As long it isn't ooc favoritism do it....,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-12 07:59 PM, #33
I'd disagree.,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 08:57 PM, #35
RE: I'd disagree.,
Yargy (Anonymous),
13-Oct-12 09:30 PM, #37
Part of the reason I used you as an example...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:15 PM, #41
RE: Part of the reason I used you as an example...,
Yargy (Anonymous),
13-Oct-12 10:26 PM, #42
Good. One of things I wanted out of this post...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:34 PM, #43
RE: I'd disagree.,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-12 09:56 PM, #38
Oh, I was never saying that.,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:42 PM, #44
Don't get me wrong,
TJHuron,
14-Oct-12 10:58 AM, #53
I feel somewhat like you're being evasive...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 08:53 PM, #34
RE: I feel somewhat like you're being evasive...,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-12 10:02 PM, #129
Part of the reason I think they are too much...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 10:12 PM, #40
RE: I feel somewhat like you're being evasive...,
Iunna,
14-Oct-12 08:53 AM, #52
I agree,
DurNominator,
13-Oct-12 01:02 PM, #9
The problem with this is.,
Tesline,
13-Oct-12 01:26 PM, #11
And that is how they should be.,
DurNominator,
13-Oct-12 02:03 PM, #12
I've always thought it would be neat if,
TJHuron,
13-Oct-12 03:02 PM, #16
Fireblood has been given as a reward many times.,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 03:09 PM, #17
Ok so don't laugh but what's fire blood? Nt,
TJHuron,
13-Oct-12 03:49 PM, #20
Fireblood, not fire blood.,
DurNominator,
13-Oct-12 03:51 PM, #21
iPhone did it nt,
TJHuron,
13-Oct-12 04:36 PM, #24
I agree with this. nt,
Marcus_,
14-Oct-12 02:58 PM, #63
I agree with this mostly.,
Zephon,
14-Oct-12 03:50 PM, #71
I've never had much of them but I don't mind rewards be...,
TJHuron,
13-Oct-12 12:31 PM, #8
As a more casual CFer...,
vargal,
13-Oct-12 11:59 AM, #7
Completely disagree.,
Tesline,
13-Oct-12 11:18 AM, #6
The system is not all that bad.,
lasentia,
13-Oct-12 09:47 AM, #5
I'm kind of wishy washy on this.,
Iunna,
13-Oct-12 07:59 AM, #4
I like your stated policy,
DurNominator,
13-Oct-12 01:20 PM, #10
Some responses (and thank you for your perspective).,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 02:55 PM, #15
Who or what do you think is really THAT far skewed from...,
Puhguly,
13-Oct-12 06:54 AM, #2
Listen...it's just the culture shift I'm worried about.,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 02:51 PM, #14
Out of the people who are actually bitching about rewar...,
Puhguly,
13-Oct-12 03:18 PM, #18
You hit inadvertantly proved my point...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 03:30 PM, #19
I agree, to a point,
Puhguly,
13-Oct-12 04:01 PM, #22
I suppose this is where I have a fundemental disconnect...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 05:17 PM, #25
I dont play for the rewards, but like you said, they ar...,
Puhguly,
13-Oct-12 05:47 PM, #27
I think that's the point though...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 06:31 PM, #29
RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be...,
GoTeamUnderdog,
13-Oct-12 03:32 AM, #1
I actually like them being handed out as they are so fa...,
Batman (Anonymous),
13-Oct-12 07:51 AM, #3
Leaders did used to get cool #### back in the day.,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 02:47 PM, #13
I agree with you that role-contest awards are over the ...,
Amberion,
13-Oct-12 04:28 PM, #23
I don't want you to think I'm picking on you dude...,
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 05:23 PM, #26
Him getting his unholy returned one time was a choice m...,
Puhguly,
13-Oct-12 05:48 PM, #28
It happened twice ;),
TMNS,
13-Oct-12 06:38 PM, #30
Easy fix: Limit ALL rewards to cosmetic changes and IMM...,
-flso,
14-Oct-12 11:24 AM, #54
Greatly effected?,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 02:13 PM, #60
You're on crack if you don't think....,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 03:09 PM, #65
RE: You're on crack if you don't think....,
Daevryn,
14-Oct-12 03:25 PM, #67
Wow. Bravo.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 03:41 PM, #69
RE: Wow. Bravo.,
Daevryn,
14-Oct-12 04:32 PM, #73
First off, I come across horrible in print...,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 05:07 PM, #77
About dopple and that tranmuter,
CraftedD (Anonymous),
14-Oct-12 05:39 PM, #86
Some facts.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 05:43 PM, #88
You keep missing the point,
-flso,
14-Oct-12 03:24 PM, #66
I think your missing the point.,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 04:16 PM, #72
RE: Easy fix: Limit ALL rewards to cosmetic changes and...,
Daevryn,
14-Oct-12 04:31 PM, #74
Such an interesting conversation. To sum it up...,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 04:52 PM, #75
Also, re: Ghrimriddor,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 05:08 PM, #78
Huh? A little confused.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 05:14 PM, #79
RE: Huh? A little confused.,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 05:20 PM, #81
I brought it up because of Tavlin.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 05:40 PM, #87
RE: I brought it up because of Tavlin.,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 05:53 PM, #89
I started this thread because of Narissorin's deletion.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 06:01 PM, #90
RE: I started this thread because of Narissorin's delet...,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 06:29 PM, #91
Not asking them to baby-sit at all.,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 06:34 PM, #93
That may work... However.,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 06:46 PM, #94
Counters,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 07:02 PM, #96
Good points,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 07:20 PM, #98
Bleh. Damn you for having a good argument!,
TMNS,
14-Oct-12 07:59 PM, #103
The high avg drowning weapon isn't from the religion so...,
Iklahn (Anonymous),
14-Oct-12 08:30 PM, #105
RE: Not asking them to baby-sit at all.,
DurNominator,
15-Oct-12 08:51 AM, #119
Rewards that affect gameplay should be handed down in a...,
-flso,
14-Oct-12 05:10 PM, #76
Everyone is able to compete for them fairly and transpa...,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 05:17 PM, #80
Missed the point, do you ppl even read what you respond...,
-flso,
14-Oct-12 05:23 PM, #82
The single biggest reason to why I play CF is: ANYTHING...,
Amberion,
14-Oct-12 05:31 PM, #83
RE: Missed the point, do you ppl even read what you res...,
Knac,
14-Oct-12 05:32 PM, #84
Your the only one agruing a point that doesn't make muc...,
Tesline,
14-Oct-12 05:37 PM, #85
RE: Rewards that affect gameplay should be handed down ...,
Daevryn,
14-Oct-12 07:56 PM, #101
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