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TMNSSun 14-Oct-12 07:16 PM
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#47478, "Feh. Said that other post would be my last..."


          

..but because I like you, I'll respond to this.

Here's the situation. In an organization, you seek to create and sustain a competitive advantage. You would normally do this by creating a total quality environment in which standards are riguorously enforced. You would also try to constantly tweak the system that enforces this advantage/adherance to standards to deal with changing dynamics in your employee base (IMMs) and customers (players).

What I am trying to propose is to create a system whereby you cut down on a number of "defects" and "complaints". By automating the role contest and how rewards are given, you completely take any perception of bias away from the customers, which allow the employee base to focus on what they need to be doing from an organizational stand-point. Of course there would still be some players who feel slighted, but these would be easily explainable and completely understandable reasons (I couldn't get empowered for 50 hrs and two weeks - Well, your IMM was on vacation).

That system would do wonders to wipe out the sense of entitlement that the playerbase has currently. If you made it so each player knew the requirements, knew they had just as good of a chance as the next guy to meet those requirements, well then, I'd imagine you'd have a lot of knowledgable happy customers/players.

To claim that you (as Immortals) don't need to worry about this problem because "there will always be complaints" is amazingly short-sighted. It's almost as if you guys have given up trying to create the best possible product for the marketplace. If that is true, then no offense, let me (and several others) be an IMM and ####ing quit. Because if you aren't doing your job as an administrator, go back to being a player and let someone else who wants to do it do it. I don't understand why a lot of very intelligent Immortals don't grasp this. If you worked at Microsoft and you went to one of your employees and were like "Hey, joe employee, I noticed you haven't responded to some of my customer complaints" and he said "Yeah, well, you can't please everyone all the time" I'd ####ing fire him (well, actually, I'd talk to him first and explain why that IS important...if he did it again though he'd be ####-canned).

I just cannot believe that none of you immortals see that the attitude of "I can't possibly please every player" is a problem. I never said that you could, mind you, but that should ALWAYS be your goal. You should always seek to please as many people as you can possibly can, because they are your customers. Without customers, your organization would not exist. I'm proposing a dialogue and a system that would make it EASIER to please players and yet some of you don't grasp that. It's frustrating to me as an emerging business person to see that type of attitude.

  

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HOT TopicAnyone else concerned about the arms race CF has become... [View all] , TMNS, Tue 16-Oct-12 01:10 AM
Reply RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be..., SideStrider, 26-Oct-12 06:02 PM, #137
Reply Roles aren't about story quality., Tesline, 26-Oct-12 06:32 PM, #138
Reply Role XP Note, Reksah, 30-Oct-12 03:08 PM, #146
Reply Ummmmmmmmmm...., Stunna, 16-Oct-12 12:38 PM, #131
Reply "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal..., Quixotic, 14-Oct-12 11:39 PM, #114
Reply Shockingly enough this threat made things a lot more cl..., Tesline, 14-Oct-12 11:56 PM, #117
Reply My take., Graatch, 14-Oct-12 09:24 PM, #108
Reply I can support this. nt, Artificial, 14-Oct-12 09:25 PM, #109
Reply What my boy Graatch said. nt, Dallevian, 14-Oct-12 09:26 PM, #110
Reply I support this fully., Zephon, 14-Oct-12 09:33 PM, #111
Reply I agree too. nt, Tesline, 14-Oct-12 11:28 PM, #112
Reply Agreed (n/t), orangepowered, 15-Oct-12 09:18 AM, #120
Reply RE: My take., Daevryn, 15-Oct-12 06:05 PM, #121
Reply God I just want to punch you in the face sometimes., TMNS, 15-Oct-12 06:22 PM, #122
Reply RE: God I just want to punch you in the face sometimes., Daevryn, 19-Oct-12 04:25 PM, #133
     Reply Are you some kind of robotman? =P NT, vargal, 19-Oct-12 05:16 PM, #135
     Reply Not necessarily knee-capping..., TMNS, 19-Oct-12 08:06 PM, #136
     Reply Just saw a log and nearly pooped myself. Really?, TMNS, 29-Oct-12 04:55 PM, #139
          Reply RE: Just saw a log and nearly pooped myself. Really?, Daevryn, 29-Oct-12 05:21 PM, #140
               Reply I really want to punch you in the face., TMNS, 29-Oct-12 05:34 PM, #141
                    Reply RE: I really want to punch you in the face., Daevryn, 29-Oct-12 06:40 PM, #142
                         Reply I've got logs to post later (n/t), Zulghinlour, 29-Oct-12 07:13 PM, #143
                              Reply naked logs? nt, Dallevian, 29-Oct-12 08:04 PM, #144
                                   Reply Organic logs? nt, Tsunami, 29-Oct-12 08:29 PM, #145
Reply Gotta say, this sounds cool., Zephon, 16-Oct-12 12:17 AM, #127
Reply This. nt, colospgsbryan, 15-Oct-12 09:46 PM, #125
Reply Also, FWIW (to the "He has sour grapes" crew) I donated..., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 08:32 PM, #106
Reply I am also unconcerned., Akresius, 14-Oct-12 07:01 PM, #95
Reply Feh. Said that other post would be my last..., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 07:16 PM #97
Reply Clearly you need some things outlined for you., Artificial, 14-Oct-12 07:29 PM, #99
Reply Because you completely missed the point..., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 07:48 PM, #100
     Reply RE: Because you completely missed the point..., Artificial, 14-Oct-12 08:42 PM, #107
Reply RE: Feh. Said that other post would be my last..., Akresius, 14-Oct-12 07:58 PM, #102
     Reply Just some points on your post., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 08:13 PM, #104
          Reply How do you automate judging what is good RP?, DurNominator, 14-Oct-12 11:42 PM, #115
               Reply This system I propose would only automate the rewards g..., TMNS, 15-Oct-12 11:09 PM, #126
Reply RE: I am also unconcerned., DurNominator, 14-Oct-12 11:54 PM, #116
     Reply If I may..., Bajula, 15-Oct-12 02:34 AM, #118
     Reply False assumption, Akresius, 15-Oct-12 07:36 PM, #123
          Reply Acutally, he is saying you dont have to know who they a..., Zephon, 16-Oct-12 12:24 AM, #128
          Reply I am not operating under that assumption, DurNominator, 16-Oct-12 01:31 AM, #130
               Reply RE: I am not operating under that assumption, Akresius, 16-Oct-12 04:50 PM, #132
Reply I'm not concerned., trewyn, 14-Oct-12 01:25 PM, #57
Reply Oh...wow...this...is a big one., Tesline, 14-Oct-12 02:06 PM, #58
Reply What. The. ####?, TMNS, 14-Oct-12 03:06 PM, #64
Reply Poor you!, Artificial, 14-Oct-12 02:57 PM, #61
Reply RE: I'm not concerned., Daevryn, 14-Oct-12 03:26 PM, #68
     Reply I did the search but didn't count carefully., DurNominator, 14-Oct-12 03:46 PM, #70
          Reply Seems about par for everyone, Splntrd, 14-Oct-12 06:13 PM, #92
Reply Get bent, jalbrin, 14-Oct-12 12:27 PM, #56
Reply This ^ nt, Tesline, 14-Oct-12 02:06 PM, #59
Reply Perhaps you should read my posts instead of..., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 02:58 PM, #62
Reply RE: Get bent, DurNominator, 14-Oct-12 11:29 PM, #113
Reply RE: Get bent, colospgsbryan, 15-Oct-12 08:59 PM, #124
Reply RE: Get bent, Eskelian, 19-Oct-12 04:45 PM, #134
Reply RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be..., KaguMaru, 14-Oct-12 12:04 PM, #55
Reply Quick thought., Lightmage, 13-Oct-12 10:46 PM, #45
Reply As someone who HAS been heavily rewarded, I was..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:54 PM, #46
Reply You are being wildly unreasonable., Artificial, 13-Oct-12 09:18 PM, #36
Reply I DIDN'T GET GREATER DEMON SUMMONING :(, TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:03 PM, #39
     Reply I was also an almost 400 hour cabal leader, Artificial, 13-Oct-12 11:55 PM, #47
          Reply I'm unsure why you think your RP wasn't rewarded?, TMNS, 14-Oct-12 12:08 AM, #48
               Reply ...what?, Artificial, 14-Oct-12 12:55 AM, #49
                    Reply Been a long day., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 01:09 AM, #50
                         Reply I am eternal and unchanging. nt, Artificial, 14-Oct-12 01:10 AM, #51
Reply RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be..., Daevryn, 13-Oct-12 06:47 PM, #31
Reply Hey awesome. As long it isn't ooc favoritism do it. , TJHuron, 13-Oct-12 07:55 PM, #32
Reply RE: Hey awesome. As long it isn't ooc favoritism do it...., Daevryn, 13-Oct-12 07:59 PM, #33
     Reply I'd disagree., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 08:57 PM, #35
     Reply RE: I'd disagree., Yargy (Anonymous), 13-Oct-12 09:30 PM, #37
     Reply Part of the reason I used you as an example..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:15 PM, #41
          Reply RE: Part of the reason I used you as an example..., Yargy (Anonymous), 13-Oct-12 10:26 PM, #42
               Reply Good. One of things I wanted out of this post..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:34 PM, #43
     Reply RE: I'd disagree., Daevryn, 13-Oct-12 09:56 PM, #38
          Reply Oh, I was never saying that., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:42 PM, #44
     Reply Don't get me wrong, TJHuron, 14-Oct-12 10:58 AM, #53
Reply I feel somewhat like you're being evasive..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 08:53 PM, #34
     Reply RE: I feel somewhat like you're being evasive..., Daevryn, 13-Oct-12 10:02 PM, #129
          Reply Part of the reason I think they are too much..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 10:12 PM, #40
          Reply RE: I feel somewhat like you're being evasive..., Iunna, 14-Oct-12 08:53 AM, #52
Reply I agree, DurNominator, 13-Oct-12 01:02 PM, #9
Reply The problem with this is., Tesline, 13-Oct-12 01:26 PM, #11
Reply And that is how they should be., DurNominator, 13-Oct-12 02:03 PM, #12
Reply I've always thought it would be neat if, TJHuron, 13-Oct-12 03:02 PM, #16
Reply Fireblood has been given as a reward many times., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 03:09 PM, #17
     Reply Ok so don't laugh but what's fire blood? Nt, TJHuron, 13-Oct-12 03:49 PM, #20
          Reply Fireblood, not fire blood., DurNominator, 13-Oct-12 03:51 PM, #21
               Reply iPhone did it nt, TJHuron, 13-Oct-12 04:36 PM, #24
Reply I agree with this. nt, Marcus_, 14-Oct-12 02:58 PM, #63
Reply I agree with this mostly., Zephon, 14-Oct-12 03:50 PM, #71
Reply I've never had much of them but I don't mind rewards be..., TJHuron, 13-Oct-12 12:31 PM, #8
Reply As a more casual CFer..., vargal, 13-Oct-12 11:59 AM, #7
Reply Completely disagree., Tesline, 13-Oct-12 11:18 AM, #6
Reply The system is not all that bad., lasentia, 13-Oct-12 09:47 AM, #5
Reply I'm kind of wishy washy on this., Iunna, 13-Oct-12 07:59 AM, #4
Reply I like your stated policy, DurNominator, 13-Oct-12 01:20 PM, #10
Reply Some responses (and thank you for your perspective)., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 02:55 PM, #15
Reply Who or what do you think is really THAT far skewed from..., Puhguly, 13-Oct-12 06:54 AM, #2
Reply Listen...it's just the culture shift I'm worried about., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 02:51 PM, #14
     Reply Out of the people who are actually bitching about rewar..., Puhguly, 13-Oct-12 03:18 PM, #18
          Reply You hit inadvertantly proved my point..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 03:30 PM, #19
               Reply I agree, to a point, Puhguly, 13-Oct-12 04:01 PM, #22
                    Reply I suppose this is where I have a fundemental disconnect..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 05:17 PM, #25
                         Reply I dont play for the rewards, but like you said, they ar..., Puhguly, 13-Oct-12 05:47 PM, #27
                              Reply I think that's the point though..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 06:31 PM, #29
Reply RE: Anyone else concerned about the arms race CF has be..., GoTeamUnderdog, 13-Oct-12 03:32 AM, #1
     Reply I actually like them being handed out as they are so fa..., Batman (Anonymous), 13-Oct-12 07:51 AM, #3
          Reply Leaders did used to get cool #### back in the day., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 02:47 PM, #13
               Reply I agree with you that role-contest awards are over the ..., Amberion, 13-Oct-12 04:28 PM, #23
                    Reply I don't want you to think I'm picking on you dude..., TMNS, 13-Oct-12 05:23 PM, #26
                         Reply Him getting his unholy returned one time was a choice m..., Puhguly, 13-Oct-12 05:48 PM, #28
                              Reply It happened twice ;), TMNS, 13-Oct-12 06:38 PM, #30
                                   Reply Easy fix: Limit ALL rewards to cosmetic changes and IMM..., -flso, 14-Oct-12 11:24 AM, #54
                                        Reply Greatly effected?, Tesline, 14-Oct-12 02:13 PM, #60
                                        Reply You're on crack if you don't think...., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 03:09 PM, #65
                                        Reply RE: You're on crack if you don't think...., Daevryn, 14-Oct-12 03:25 PM, #67
                                             Reply Wow. Bravo., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 03:41 PM, #69
                                                  Reply RE: Wow. Bravo., Daevryn, 14-Oct-12 04:32 PM, #73
                                                       Reply First off, I come across horrible in print..., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 05:07 PM, #77
                                                            Reply About dopple and that tranmuter, CraftedD (Anonymous), 14-Oct-12 05:39 PM, #86
                                                                 Reply Some facts., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 05:43 PM, #88
                                        Reply You keep missing the point, -flso, 14-Oct-12 03:24 PM, #66
                                             Reply I think your missing the point., Tesline, 14-Oct-12 04:16 PM, #72
                                        Reply RE: Easy fix: Limit ALL rewards to cosmetic changes and..., Daevryn, 14-Oct-12 04:31 PM, #74
                                             Reply Such an interesting conversation. To sum it up..., Knac, 14-Oct-12 04:52 PM, #75
                                             Reply Also, re: Ghrimriddor, Knac, 14-Oct-12 05:08 PM, #78
                                                  Reply Huh? A little confused., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 05:14 PM, #79
                                                       Reply RE: Huh? A little confused., Knac, 14-Oct-12 05:20 PM, #81
                                                            Reply I brought it up because of Tavlin., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 05:40 PM, #87
                                                                 Reply RE: I brought it up because of Tavlin., Knac, 14-Oct-12 05:53 PM, #89
                                                                      Reply I started this thread because of Narissorin's deletion., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 06:01 PM, #90
                                                                           Reply RE: I started this thread because of Narissorin's delet..., Knac, 14-Oct-12 06:29 PM, #91
                                                                                Reply Not asking them to baby-sit at all., TMNS, 14-Oct-12 06:34 PM, #93
                                                                                     Reply That may work... However., Knac, 14-Oct-12 06:46 PM, #94
                                                                                     Reply Counters, TMNS, 14-Oct-12 07:02 PM, #96
                                                                                     Reply Good points, Knac, 14-Oct-12 07:20 PM, #98
                                                                                     Reply Bleh. Damn you for having a good argument!, TMNS, 14-Oct-12 07:59 PM, #103
                                                                                     Reply The high avg drowning weapon isn't from the religion so..., Iklahn (Anonymous), 14-Oct-12 08:30 PM, #105
                                                                                     Reply RE: Not asking them to baby-sit at all., DurNominator, 15-Oct-12 08:51 AM, #119
                                             Reply Rewards that affect gameplay should be handed down in a..., -flso, 14-Oct-12 05:10 PM, #76
                                                  Reply Everyone is able to compete for them fairly and transpa..., Knac, 14-Oct-12 05:17 PM, #80
                                                  Reply Missed the point, do you ppl even read what you respond..., -flso, 14-Oct-12 05:23 PM, #82
                                                       Reply The single biggest reason to why I play CF is: ANYTHING..., Amberion, 14-Oct-12 05:31 PM, #83
                                                       Reply RE: Missed the point, do you ppl even read what you res..., Knac, 14-Oct-12 05:32 PM, #84
                                                       Reply Your the only one agruing a point that doesn't make muc..., Tesline, 14-Oct-12 05:37 PM, #85
                                                  Reply RE: Rewards that affect gameplay should be handed down ..., Daevryn, 14-Oct-12 07:56 PM, #101
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