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elmeri_Wed 14-Nov-07 06:38 PM
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#41, "Being staff vs. chipping in as a player"


          

>>I think it comes down to what Adhelard was saying about the mindset that doing something to make CF better doesn't strictly equal being an imm. In my opinion, for nearly all of the jobs you need to be an imm for (area writing obviously, but also quests, running a cabal, running a religion, etc.) having been through the whole area process and understanding how all of its pieces go together is a big big help.

People like to be credited for their efforts. It's not so much about whether you can or can't help with cf related things outside the current imm scope as a non imm, but rather how much effort you want to put in. I will give you an example. The Finnish Ski Association is real hard pressed for cash so they don't have big money to pay for assistant coaches. The work is a #### job really, early mornings, lots of bad weather, carrying gates, wrenching them in, preparing skis, having to travel a lot. But still they get young guys working for a very low pay. In fact, they have hardly any trouble finding these guys. I get payed roughly equal coaching kids, and I still have time to study and pursuit various interests. So, what's in it for them? They are in the team, they get to be on tv every once in a while, they are recognized to be in the national team. Now sure, these guys COULD do the same job without the national team jacket, but would they honestly?

If you had staff members who were in fact staff members for the sole reason of being willing to work on customer oriented things, you would be able to expect results. Whether this post as a 'marketing staff member' would include an imm char, imm forum posting tag, or whatever else is just details. Traditionally in volunteer held happenings, like a charity event to sell old stuff for the benefit of sick kids, there's some sort of a small snack involved, mayby a sandwitch and a coffee or whatever. Sure, nobody probably works a full day for a sandwitch and a coffee, but imagine the motivational effect, if the holder of the event said that only salespersons were entitled to a snack, and everyone else can do their work just aswell without.

The obvious problem ofcourse is how to determine who is suitable/qualified for such a position, since the current procedure of qualifying applicants will not handle cases like these. But I am certain that if a marketing management side of cf staff would be created, the system could somehow sustain itself.

  

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HOT TopicGet off my chest, CF! [View all] , Stunna, Wed 14-Nov-07 12:15 PM
Reply Got a good email from Daevryn, for those interested., Stunna, 15-Nov-07 01:14 PM, #74
Reply I am VERY glad to hear that!, Amberion, 15-Nov-07 04:52 PM, #78
Reply Feel free:, Daevryn, 15-Nov-07 05:27 PM, #79
     Reply Re: donations, TheDude, 15-Nov-07 10:40 PM, #80
          Reply Hmm., DrumArtist, 16-Nov-07 07:39 AM, #81
Reply Two points (I want to help, I promise), Treebeard, 14-Nov-07 06:39 PM, #59
Reply Yea, we'll see what comes of this..., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 06:56 PM, #60
Reply Here's an idea for you and the staff who are interested, Mekantos, 14-Nov-07 04:42 PM, #51
Reply I figured chat room was less threatening, but I'm down ..., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 04:52 PM, #54
     Reply About that..., Mekantos, 14-Nov-07 04:58 PM, #55
Reply Email sent to Daevryn as requested. n/t, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 04:04 PM, #47
Reply People are missing the point of this post, Zulghinlour, 14-Nov-07 03:30 PM, #37
Reply RE: People are missing the point of this post, Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 03:37 PM, #39
Reply RE: People are missing the point of this post, SirGankAlot, 14-Nov-07 03:40 PM, #42
Reply At last we agree!, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 04:01 PM, #45
Reply Too funny. You got me man. nt, Dallevian, 14-Nov-07 03:39 PM, #41
Reply RE: People are missing the point of this post, Linolaques, 14-Nov-07 04:30 PM, #49
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, incognito, 14-Nov-07 02:19 PM, #15
Reply Nitpicking., Dallevian, 14-Nov-07 01:57 PM, #13
Reply Why do you need to be an imm to do this?, Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 01:59 PM, #12
Reply Again my 2 cents, Dervish, 14-Nov-07 02:27 PM, #20
Reply RE: Again my 2 cents, Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:31 PM, #25
Reply Several reasons, Dervish, 14-Nov-07 02:49 PM, #32
     Reply Here's the problem with that., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 03:08 PM, #36
          Reply God damn, colospgsbryan, 15-Nov-07 01:28 AM, #65
               Reply RE: God damn, Lyristeon, 15-Nov-07 09:35 AM, #66
                    Reply You're WAY WAY off base, chief., Stunna, 15-Nov-07 11:13 AM, #67
                    Reply RE: You're WAY WAY off base, chief., Adhelard, 15-Nov-07 12:09 PM, #72
                         Reply It would help keep things on track, Mekantos, 15-Nov-07 12:43 PM, #73
                         Reply Exactly. nt, Lyristeon, 15-Nov-07 01:19 PM, #75
                    Reply This is ridiculous, WildGirl, 15-Nov-07 11:30 AM, #71
Reply 100% agree with this. n/t, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:33 PM, #27
Reply I dont see him asking to be an imm..., colospgsbryan, 15-Nov-07 12:49 AM, #64
     Reply Exactly, Thank You! n/t, Stunna, 15-Nov-07 11:18 AM, #68
     Reply Devil's Advocate..., Zulghinlour, 15-Nov-07 11:22 AM, #69
          Reply RE: Devil's Advocate..., Stunna, 15-Nov-07 11:30 AM, #70
               Reply Take a deep breath..., Zulghinlour, 15-Nov-07 01:58 PM, #76
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 01:31 PM, #7
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 01:48 PM, #10
     Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 02:28 PM, #21
          Reply Being staff vs. chipping in as a player, elmeri_, 14-Nov-07 06:38 PM #58
               Reply Yup. n/t, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 08:18 PM, #61
               Reply RE: Being staff vs. chipping in as a player, Adhelard, 14-Nov-07 08:30 PM, #62
                    Reply RE: Being staff vs. chipping in as a player, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 10:13 PM, #63
                         Reply That's more or less exactly my thought., elmeri_, 15-Nov-07 04:32 PM, #77
Reply I think the Imm response is clear., Adhelard, 14-Nov-07 01:11 PM, #4
Reply *ding* thanks for the bulb, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 01:25 PM, #6
     Reply Well, I get paid to listen., Adhelard, 14-Nov-07 01:45 PM, #9
          Reply Valg, Daevryn, and whoever else: you mind sitting in a ..., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 01:51 PM, #11
          Reply Outline., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:13 PM, #14
               Reply Hah., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:22 PM, #17
               Reply Quite simply actually., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:28 PM, #22
               Reply I also have 20+ years of experience eating McDonalds..., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:31 PM, #26
                    Reply I will help you then., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:33 PM, #28
                         Reply RE: I will help you then., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:40 PM, #29
                         Reply You missed the point., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:50 PM, #33
                              Reply RE: You missed the point., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 03:37 PM, #38
                                   Reply RE: You missed the point., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 03:46 PM, #44
                                        Reply RE: You missed the point., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 04:02 PM, #46
                                             Reply Oh and..., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 04:05 PM, #48
                                             Reply RE: Oh and..., Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 04:32 PM, #50
                                             Reply RE: You missed the point., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 04:42 PM, #52
                                                  Reply To be fair there..., Mekantos, 14-Nov-07 04:49 PM, #53
                         Reply Let me try..., Dervish, 14-Nov-07 02:58 PM, #35
                              Reply What Lyr is missing., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 03:39 PM, #40
                                   Reply RE: What Lyr is missing., Cerunnir, 14-Nov-07 03:46 PM, #43
               Reply RE: Hah., Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 02:30 PM, #23
               Reply There are ways..., Dallevian, 14-Nov-07 02:27 PM, #19
                    Reply Thank You. n/t, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:41 PM, #31
          Reply Agree with this 100%, Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 02:22 PM, #16
               Reply Good cop strikes again., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:23 PM, #18
                    Reply Yup. (n/t), Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 02:30 PM, #24
                    Reply RE: Good cop strikes again., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:41 PM, #30
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, SirGankAlot, 14-Nov-07 12:38 PM, #2
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 12:49 PM, #3
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 02:50 PM, #34
     Reply Yup., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 06:12 PM, #57
Reply 3/20, elmeri_, 14-Nov-07 05:14 PM, #56
Reply Very Nice Post. My Thoughts., WildGirl, 14-Nov-07 12:31 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Very Nice Post. My Thoughts., Baerinika, 14-Nov-07 01:20 PM, #5
     Reply RE: Very Nice Post. My Thoughts., Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 01:36 PM, #8
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