>Let me preface this by restating that marketing CF is the
>most important CF-related job that, in general, no one seems
>to want to do.

Um... hello? I WANT to do it.


>

>The fact that it's a non-charitable volunteer organization
>isn't unique, but it is different from most organizations.
>
>If people work for me for money, they'll do unpleasant work
>for me because if they don't, I won't pay them.
>
>If people work with me to help feed the poor, they'll do
>unpleasant work because they believe in the goal.

I see your point, but I don't think your people know what the goal of CF even is. If they were interested in the goal, and you were able to properly motivate them to do mucky work to achieve said goal, they would... well they would do it. Heh. Being able to structure your staff systems, and having that motivational skill is just something that is lacking from the team right now.



>Man, it's a sad day when I'm the good cop.

This is both funny and true.



>
>I'm all for people marketing CF and helping out on the forums.
> Where I think we have a problem/disconnect here is that being
>staff of CF traditionally means having an immortal character.
>
>I'm cool with there being marketing/administrative staff at my
>hypothetical nuclear power plant who have no talent for or
>interest in the technical guts of the plant. I'm not going to
>give them security access to the reactor core, not because I
>think they're terrorists who want to blow up my plant, but
>because they have no idea what they're doing in there or how
>to keep themselves or others safe.


Exactly!!! Exactly exactly exactly. So why isn't there a staff member path for the non-nuclear people. Hey, for the love of God don't let ME near the code. I can't even navigate the Crumbling Road without ending up in the sodden marsh, for Gods sake.



>>You can point out that I was heroimm for 11 days, and say I
>>don’t know what I’m talking about,
>
>For me, the point there isn't so much that it indicates that
>you don't understand the inner CF workings as it perfectly
>counterpoints so much.

Which is part of why I'm limited in how much I can help you guys out. I'm also not interested in learning about nuclear reactors so that I can be allowed to answer the phone at the plant. However if I were to become a staff member you guys are going to start me out building a reactor core... and then move me on to answering phones? I don't get it.

Also I'd like to reiterate that CF isn't THAT different from any other orginzation.


>
>You immed. You were asked to do something to make CF better
>that you didn't feel personally interested/talented in. (Area
>writing.) You quit after a week and a half without having
>done it.
>

Well, you guys never gave me the area file stuff, but I got it from another imm and had about 50% of the area done and waiting for you guys to let me do it. I was willing to pay the price of doing an area, what turned me off was the treatment from more senior staff.



>But you think I can tell someone else on staff who doesn't
>have a talent or interest in marketing to do it and they just
>will?

Nope, you need someone who knows marketing and is interested in doing it. You just don't have an open door for a person like that to come on board. But I guess my point too is that you NEED to do it. So whether someone bites the bullet and does it, or you guys find someone like me who'll do it... it doesn't change the fact that you need to take the necessary steps to get it done.



>I'm sorry, but just because some people will do work that you
>want done for free doesn't mean that I will.


They work for me for free because I'm good at articulating the benefits of doing that work.