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AdhelardWed 14-Nov-07 01:45 PM
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#12, "Well, I get paid to listen."


          

>>My thoughts are as follows:
>>
>>1. The Imm response has largely been clear and defined:
>They
>>recognize a need, they are interested in a solution. But no
>>one has the background and/or experience to efficiently come
>>up with a solution.
>
>
>Okay, see, I guess I'm missing the posts where a need is
>recognized. Furthermore, no one has ever asked for my help or
>given me the tools or authorization I need to do what I do.
>


Here was Daevryn's response to one of your posts a few threads below. You even responded back to him:

"Heck, I'd be interested in seeing any kind of marketing going on. It's the most important thing for the future of the game that I have no talent for or drive to produce. Alas."

I think Daevryn (1) clearly recognizes a need - in fact, it is "the most important thing for the future of the game," and (2) recgonizes that neither he nor anyone else on the Imm staff have the requisite background/experience to implement a solution to that need.

As for asking for your help, the Imms have repeatedly stated that CF is a volunteer organization where players make as much impact as Imms. (Please tell me you do not need me to find you quotes on this as well ). The door is wide open for you to step up to the plate and contribute something productive. I am interested to see if you do.

As far as "tools and authorization", those may come after the Imms have seen your action plan. Think of it like a beauty pagent (do you do those in your work?) - as in, several firms approach a prospective client, lay out their portfolios, pitch their strategies, and the client signs on if interested.


>
>>
>>2. I am not sure you are seeing the response I just posted
>>above. Every time you post, it almost reads as though it is
>>the first time you posted - you identify problems but do not
>>provide actionable solutions.
>
>I'm not going to take the time to create an action plan when
>I'm not sure if anyone is interested in using it. We're
>talking about hours of work that could well be time spent
>finding my own customers or with my family. Or playing my
>shifter, for that matter.
>
>



Well, that's a problem. Because you taking the time to create an action plan is the only way for you to constructively contribute to what is, as the Imms say, "The Most Important" thing for the future of the game.

At this point you've spent several months posting various vaguely worded ideas. There is expressed interest. Now is the time to step up to the plate and show what you've got. How many hours are we talking about?


>
>>
>>3. I think if you want to help, the way you should do so is
>>to write up a clear action plan to implement whatever goals
>>you are talking about. This plan can not be vaguely worded
>> up until this point I haven't seen you lay out an action
>>plan). It must contain identifiable steps that can be
>>delegated to others (and may well be implemented in its
>>entirity by you). Include your email so that people
>>interested in taking on clearly identified tasks can contact
>>you.
>
>I can't market CF without their co-operation and permission. I
>also need more information (hard statitistics instead of my
>intuition) to complete any sort of an action plan. I also need
>help... I don't run my companies on my own, I have Wendy and
>others to help me.
>
>
>


Put them down in your action plan. I am talking about clear, identifiable steps. One action item is: Follow-up with Valg on getting statistics re: X". As far as "permission", no one is going to give you "permission" without seeing what you have in mind.

Seriously. If you want to help, pick up a shovel and start. I think the most efficient and productive way for you to start is to lay out an implementable action plan for marketing CF. Delegatable, clear, easy steps. Start small.

  

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HOT TopicGet off my chest, CF! [View all] , Stunna, Wed 14-Nov-07 12:15 PM
Reply Got a good email from Daevryn, for those interested., Stunna, 15-Nov-07 01:14 PM, #74
Reply I am VERY glad to hear that!, Amberion, 15-Nov-07 04:52 PM, #78
Reply Feel free:, Daevryn, 15-Nov-07 05:27 PM, #79
     Reply Re: donations, TheDude, 15-Nov-07 10:40 PM, #80
          Reply Hmm., DrumArtist, 16-Nov-07 07:39 AM, #81
Reply Two points (I want to help, I promise), Treebeard, 14-Nov-07 06:39 PM, #59
Reply Yea, we'll see what comes of this..., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 06:56 PM, #60
Reply Here's an idea for you and the staff who are interested, Mekantos, 14-Nov-07 04:42 PM, #51
Reply I figured chat room was less threatening, but I'm down ..., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 04:52 PM, #54
     Reply About that..., Mekantos, 14-Nov-07 04:58 PM, #55
Reply Email sent to Daevryn as requested. n/t, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 04:04 PM, #47
Reply People are missing the point of this post, Zulghinlour, 14-Nov-07 03:30 PM, #37
Reply RE: People are missing the point of this post, Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 03:37 PM, #39
Reply RE: People are missing the point of this post, SirGankAlot, 14-Nov-07 03:40 PM, #42
Reply At last we agree!, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 04:01 PM, #45
Reply Too funny. You got me man. nt, Dallevian, 14-Nov-07 03:39 PM, #41
Reply RE: People are missing the point of this post, Linolaques, 14-Nov-07 04:30 PM, #49
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, incognito, 14-Nov-07 02:19 PM, #15
Reply Nitpicking., Dallevian, 14-Nov-07 01:57 PM, #13
Reply Why do you need to be an imm to do this?, Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 01:59 PM, #12
Reply Again my 2 cents, Dervish, 14-Nov-07 02:27 PM, #20
Reply RE: Again my 2 cents, Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:31 PM, #25
Reply Several reasons, Dervish, 14-Nov-07 02:49 PM, #32
     Reply Here's the problem with that., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 03:08 PM, #36
          Reply God damn, colospgsbryan, 15-Nov-07 01:28 AM, #65
               Reply RE: God damn, Lyristeon, 15-Nov-07 09:35 AM, #66
                    Reply You're WAY WAY off base, chief., Stunna, 15-Nov-07 11:13 AM, #67
                    Reply RE: You're WAY WAY off base, chief., Adhelard, 15-Nov-07 12:09 PM, #72
                         Reply It would help keep things on track, Mekantos, 15-Nov-07 12:43 PM, #73
                         Reply Exactly. nt, Lyristeon, 15-Nov-07 01:19 PM, #75
                    Reply This is ridiculous, WildGirl, 15-Nov-07 11:30 AM, #71
Reply 100% agree with this. n/t, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:33 PM, #27
Reply I dont see him asking to be an imm..., colospgsbryan, 15-Nov-07 12:49 AM, #64
     Reply Exactly, Thank You! n/t, Stunna, 15-Nov-07 11:18 AM, #68
     Reply Devil's Advocate..., Zulghinlour, 15-Nov-07 11:22 AM, #69
          Reply RE: Devil's Advocate..., Stunna, 15-Nov-07 11:30 AM, #70
               Reply Take a deep breath..., Zulghinlour, 15-Nov-07 01:58 PM, #76
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 01:31 PM, #7
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 01:48 PM, #10
     Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 02:28 PM, #21
          Reply Being staff vs. chipping in as a player, elmeri_, 14-Nov-07 06:38 PM, #58
               Reply Yup. n/t, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 08:18 PM, #61
               Reply RE: Being staff vs. chipping in as a player, Adhelard, 14-Nov-07 08:30 PM, #62
                    Reply RE: Being staff vs. chipping in as a player, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 10:13 PM, #63
                         Reply That's more or less exactly my thought., elmeri_, 15-Nov-07 04:32 PM, #77
Reply I think the Imm response is clear., Adhelard, 14-Nov-07 01:11 PM, #4
Reply *ding* thanks for the bulb, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 01:25 PM, #6
     Reply Well, I get paid to listen., Adhelard, 14-Nov-07 01:45 PM #9
          Reply Valg, Daevryn, and whoever else: you mind sitting in a ..., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 01:51 PM, #11
          Reply Outline., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:13 PM, #14
               Reply Hah., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:22 PM, #17
               Reply Quite simply actually., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:28 PM, #22
               Reply I also have 20+ years of experience eating McDonalds..., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:31 PM, #26
                    Reply I will help you then., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:33 PM, #28
                         Reply RE: I will help you then., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:40 PM, #29
                         Reply You missed the point., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:50 PM, #33
                              Reply RE: You missed the point., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 03:37 PM, #38
                                   Reply RE: You missed the point., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 03:46 PM, #44
                                        Reply RE: You missed the point., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 04:02 PM, #46
                                             Reply Oh and..., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 04:05 PM, #48
                                             Reply RE: Oh and..., Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 04:32 PM, #50
                                             Reply RE: You missed the point., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 04:42 PM, #52
                                                  Reply To be fair there..., Mekantos, 14-Nov-07 04:49 PM, #53
                         Reply Let me try..., Dervish, 14-Nov-07 02:58 PM, #35
                              Reply What Lyr is missing., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 03:39 PM, #40
                                   Reply RE: What Lyr is missing., Cerunnir, 14-Nov-07 03:46 PM, #43
               Reply RE: Hah., Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 02:30 PM, #23
               Reply There are ways..., Dallevian, 14-Nov-07 02:27 PM, #19
                    Reply Thank You. n/t, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:41 PM, #31
          Reply Agree with this 100%, Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 02:22 PM, #16
               Reply Good cop strikes again., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 02:23 PM, #18
                    Reply Yup. (n/t), Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 02:30 PM, #24
                    Reply RE: Good cop strikes again., Lyristeon, 14-Nov-07 02:41 PM, #30
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, SirGankAlot, 14-Nov-07 12:38 PM, #2
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, Stunna, 14-Nov-07 12:49 PM, #3
Reply RE: Get off my chest, CF!, Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 02:50 PM, #34
     Reply Yup., Stunna, 14-Nov-07 06:12 PM, #57
Reply 3/20, elmeri_, 14-Nov-07 05:14 PM, #56
Reply Very Nice Post. My Thoughts., WildGirl, 14-Nov-07 12:31 PM, #1
     Reply RE: Very Nice Post. My Thoughts., Baerinika, 14-Nov-07 01:20 PM, #5
     Reply RE: Very Nice Post. My Thoughts., Daevryn, 14-Nov-07 01:36 PM, #8
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