Copying from the EDGEPOINTS SPECIFICS helpfile, going to have a quick personal runthrough of the various means to gain edge points.

1. Experience (XP)

Characters receive edgepoints based on the amount of Commerce,
Exploration, Observation, and Immortal XP they gain.
- For every 2,000 Exploration XP (max 40,000).
- For reaching 5,000 Exploration XP before level 30.
- For every 3,000 Observation XP (max 30,000).
- For reaching 10,000 Observation XP before level 30.
- For every 1,000 Commerce XP (max 21,000).
- For every 1,000 Immortal XP (no maximum).
- For reaching 1,400 Role XP.

*** Personally, I have *NEVER* spent my time worrying about reaching any of these milestones. Yes, CF is a PK-intensive MUD, and we're trying to encourage characters that excel in multiple aspects. I honestly actually do more of my obs/exp effort to get the associated skills, but Legendary Awareness has probably spoiled me. Personally, I think the giving out the exact numbers we did was more of the mistake than how it worked. I'd be more of a fan of shuffling about the actual amounts, and just saying "Exploring gets you edge points. Doing some of that at all levels gets you bonuses".


2. Cabal Related

Characters receive edgepoints for meeting the the following cabal
milestones:
- 10, 25, 50, and 100 retrievals.
- Being made a leader (any position that can INDUCT) for the first time.

*** These seem pretty reasonable. CF loves its cabalwars, and it's encouraging. Though off the top of my head, I'd also be tempted to either add, or split some of those retrieval points into raiding and taking items. Yay, risk!

3. Level / Age

Characters receive edgepoints upon hitting the following milestones:
- Reaching hero (level 51).
- Reaching old age.
- Reaching level 49 with an xp penalty of 100 or less.
- Reaching level 49 with an xp penalty of 300 or less.

*** Don't see anything wrong with this concept. Longevity is supposed to confer some benefits. Though might be worth taking a glance at the xp penalty part, since the class side was removed. Dunno.

4. Immortal-Driven / Rewards

The following events will each earn a character edgepoints:
- Receiving a tattoo.
- Having an acceptable last name.
- Being rewarded with Immortal XP by an Immortal who has not previously rewarded you with any before.

*** I believe this is an area that is overlooked. As much as staffing issues may arise, a good number of the current staff ARE doing decent amounts of random interaction, small batches of xp, lastname, etc.

5. Things that DO NOT COUNT toward edgepoints:

- Skill and Quest Experience.
- Number of quests completed.
- PK

On to your comments:

> The question is how they got them? I'm will to bet a large
> portion of those came from the stupidest mechanic in this game.
> Looking at the same things over and over and over. For those of
> us unwilling to do that... we now have no viable option to earn
> them.

As I mentioned briefly..yes, it's mildly annoying. However, it's also part of a character. It's all starting at 0. Hell, every character I've ever had has perfected second attack, but now I rolled a new one and I have to perfect that stupid second attack *AGAIN*, why do I have to fight the same mobs over and over? Why do I have to kill troll #19402 AGAIN just to go from level 1 to 51 AGAIN? These are all aspects in which individual characters' longevity work to your benefit.

> You said it yourself somewhere in this thread or another, that
> there hasn't been any increase in ways to gain edge points as
> was planned. So how exactly we were supposed to gain them? RP?
> Seriously? You yourself said you were short staffed so who
> exactly is supposed to be doing this RP?

Ultimately? Players. Just this week I gave some random sub-15 character bonus EXP because he RP'd the difficulties of a conflict of his cabal and alignment with other characters. Does it always get XP? Should it NEED to be rewarded? No, it shouldn't. But the random pat on the back got him benefits. Hopefully it encourages them to continue.

> It's also been said many times that the game doesn't begin at
> hero, or even in hero ranks. Why make it so only those in that
> range really have a chance to gain edges? Pk was really the only
> way to gain edge points outside of the exp/obs at the lower
> ranks.

No, the game doesn't begin at hero, but neither does your lvl 15 warrior get to run around with specs and legacies. Personally, I don't know why *some* edges shouldn't be available at any level, but given we don't allow PK 'til 10, and let empowerment go 'til 20, I don't think lvl 20 is a huge stretch. Can you get edges at 20? Yes. Can you pick 15 of them then? No, for the same reason you don't have all your class abilities then either. Levelling gets you tougher, stronger characters that can take on more PvE challenges. So too do you get more and more edge options slowly as you develop.