Subject: "Long/short of it.." Previous topic | Next topic
Printer-friendly copy Email this topic to a friend CF Website
Top General Discussions Gameplay Topic #57604
Show all folders

TMNSTue 06-Jan-15 01:24 PM
Member since 10th Jun 2009
2670 posts
Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list
#57696, "Long/short of it.."


          

http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=6&topic_id=47373&mesg_id=47373&page=

Basically, you (the IMMs) created a faulty reward system. The idea was great, the implementation, not so great. Players were (are?) upset.

So you began to try and fix these issues:

Edge points became transparent
Role contest rewards were greatly scaled back
More tweaking to edge points

Unfortunately, you never really attempted to fix the culture. It was more like "Well ####, they are complaining about this so let's fix this" when in actuality, they weren't necessarily complaining about that IN AND OF ITSELF.

So now, you have solid, respectable players that can't/won't play because they can't have all the shiny bells and whistles that they are accustomed to. And you can't fix that problem now because you've created a culture of entitlement (short of giving everyone a quest skill at level 1 and 100 edge points at level 10).

Basically, your solution to the reward problem was just to make it harder to get rewards. That's not the solution. The solution would have been to make "rewards" less meaningful and place more meaning on important things (which you have begun to try to do, at least to my poor intelligence) like roleplay, playing a character with integrity and passion, etc.

Basically, I feel kinda bad because you guys are trying really hard to fix the problem. Unfortunately, I don't feel too bad because this problem was something that needed to be fixed years ago.

PS If you want, I have ideas that would change CF completely (but not mechanically at all...well, maybe slight mechanical change) and IMHO solve all the problems you currently have.

  

Alert | IP Printer Friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote

HOT TopicPSA: Descriptions [View all] , Akresius, Mon 05-Jan-15 10:38 PM
Reply Had you never docked imm exp this would never have beco..., TJHuron, 06-Jan-15 01:04 PM, #52
Reply Didn't Mean to Kick the Beehive, Saagkri, 06-Jan-15 08:02 AM, #46
Reply RE: Didn't Mean to Kick the Beehive, Demos, 06-Jan-15 08:06 AM, #47
Reply Good post n/t, TJHuron, 06-Jan-15 12:46 PM, #51
Reply Fine, incognito, 06-Jan-15 05:10 AM, #45
Reply To the players below (let's try a different approach he..., Mendos, 06-Jan-15 02:24 AM, #42
Reply Reward originality., ibuki, 06-Jan-15 03:35 AM, #43
Reply In case it isn't (broadly) known, originality is alread..., Mendos, 06-Jan-15 03:50 AM, #44
Reply Don't look now, Ysaloerye, 06-Jan-15 11:27 AM, #50
Reply RE: To the players below (let's try a different approac..., Tac, 06-Jan-15 09:08 AM, #48
Reply I want to feel bad for you (because you're cool) but I ..., TMNS, 05-Jan-15 09:18 PM, #31
Reply What "arms race" do you refer to?, Mendos, 06-Jan-15 02:21 AM, #41
     Reply Long/short of it.., TMNS, 06-Jan-15 01:24 PM #53
Reply Descriptions, Umiron, 05-Jan-15 08:24 PM, #30
Reply RE: Descriptions, Tac, 05-Jan-15 08:46 PM, #39
     Reply I don't think your post here is helpful, Humbert, 05-Jan-15 09:37 PM, #32
     Reply RE: I don't think your post here is helpful, Tac, 05-Jan-15 10:01 PM, #34
     Reply RE: I don't think your post here is helpful, Humbert, 05-Jan-15 10:11 PM, #35
     Reply Ineffective., Valguarnera, 05-Jan-15 10:22 PM, #37
          Reply RE: Ineffective., Humbert, 05-Jan-15 10:26 PM, #38
     Reply You guys need to stop, Knac, 05-Jan-15 09:48 PM, #33
          Reply Exactly this. , Humbert, 05-Jan-15 10:21 PM, #36
Reply Immortals are Doing a Great Job, Amora, 05-Jan-15 06:11 PM, #23
Reply Personally..., TheBluestThumb, 05-Jan-15 05:50 PM, #16
Reply I've agreed with every word you've posted in this threa..., Artificial, 05-Jan-15 05:40 PM, #13
Reply Of course you do., Tsunami, 05-Jan-15 06:13 PM, #24
Reply Over reactions, Tsunami, 05-Jan-15 05:37 PM, #11
Reply RE: Over reactions, Akresius, 05-Jan-15 05:47 PM, #14
     Reply RE: Over reactions, Tsunami, 05-Jan-15 06:01 PM, #20
Reply It seems like the staff has been overzealous in 'enforc..., Lhydia, 05-Jan-15 04:44 PM, #3
Reply RE: It seems like the staff has been overzealous in 'en..., Akresius, 05-Jan-15 05:19 PM, #6
Reply No. And I'd say sorry you're so jaded but the attitude ..., Lhydia, 05-Jan-15 05:19 PM, #9
Reply Rotd & description room, Demos, 05-Jan-15 11:42 PM, #40
Reply RE: It seems like the staff has been overzealous in 'en..., Deaer (Anonymous), 05-Jan-15 05:17 PM, #8
Reply Caldysias and Baelen weren't a perma dude. NT, TMNS, 05-Jan-15 05:31 PM, #10
     Reply I didn't catch everyone., Akresius, 05-Jan-15 05:51 PM, #18
Reply is the juice worth the squeeze, laxman, 05-Jan-15 04:25 PM, #1
     Reply Removing multicharing and permagrouping rules would sav..., Akresius, 05-Jan-15 04:31 PM, #2
          Reply That doesn't really answer the question., Tac, 05-Jan-15 04:51 PM, #4
          Reply I wouldn't think those are good comparisons, laxman, 05-Jan-15 05:01 PM, #5
               Reply An easy way to hand out xp is for solid descriptions., Akresius, 05-Jan-15 05:15 PM, #7
                    Reply Consequence, Tsunami, 05-Jan-15 05:40 PM, #12
                    Reply RE: Consequence, Akresius, 05-Jan-15 05:49 PM, #15
                         Reply It's not?, Tsunami, 05-Jan-15 06:06 PM, #21
                              Reply There's the disconnect., Akresius, 05-Jan-15 06:22 PM, #25
                                   Reply Not really., Tsunami, 05-Jan-15 06:34 PM, #26
                                        Reply RE: Not really., Akresius, 05-Jan-15 06:43 PM, #28
                                             Reply For sure., Tsunami, 05-Jan-15 08:14 PM, #29
                    Reply RE: An easy way to hand out xp is for solid description..., Knac, 05-Jan-15 05:50 PM, #17
                    Reply RE: An easy way to hand out xp is for solid description..., Akresius, 05-Jan-15 05:55 PM, #19
                    Reply To be honest -250 imm exp isn't much., Deaer (Anonymous), 05-Jan-15 06:10 PM, #22
                         Reply RE: To be honest -250 imm exp isn't much., Knac, 05-Jan-15 06:34 PM, #27
                    Reply This is rather relevatory, laxman, 06-Jan-15 10:41 AM, #49
Top General Discussions Gameplay Topic #57604 Previous topic | Next topic