TMNS | Tue 06-Jan-15 01:24 PM |
Member since 10th Jun 2009
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#57696, "Long/short of it.."
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http://forums.carrionfields.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=6&topic_id=47373&mesg_id=47373&page=
Basically, you (the IMMs) created a faulty reward system. The idea was great, the implementation, not so great. Players were (are?) upset.
So you began to try and fix these issues:
Edge points became transparent Role contest rewards were greatly scaled back More tweaking to edge points
Unfortunately, you never really attempted to fix the culture. It was more like "Well ####, they are complaining about this so let's fix this" when in actuality, they weren't necessarily complaining about that IN AND OF ITSELF.
So now, you have solid, respectable players that can't/won't play because they can't have all the shiny bells and whistles that they are accustomed to. And you can't fix that problem now because you've created a culture of entitlement (short of giving everyone a quest skill at level 1 and 100 edge points at level 10).
Basically, your solution to the reward problem was just to make it harder to get rewards. That's not the solution. The solution would have been to make "rewards" less meaningful and place more meaning on important things (which you have begun to try to do, at least to my poor intelligence) like roleplay, playing a character with integrity and passion, etc.
Basically, I feel kinda bad because you guys are trying really hard to fix the problem. Unfortunately, I don't feel too bad because this problem was something that needed to be fixed years ago.
PS If you want, I have ideas that would change CF completely (but not mechanically at all...well, maybe slight mechanical change) and IMHO solve all the problems you currently have.
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PSA: Descriptions
[View all] , Akresius, Mon 05-Jan-15 10:38 PM
Had you never docked imm exp this would never have beco...,
TJHuron,
06-Jan-15 01:04 PM, #52
Didn't Mean to Kick the Beehive,
Saagkri,
06-Jan-15 08:02 AM, #46
RE: Didn't Mean to Kick the Beehive,
Demos,
06-Jan-15 08:06 AM, #47
Good post n/t,
TJHuron,
06-Jan-15 12:46 PM, #51
Fine,
incognito,
06-Jan-15 05:10 AM, #45
To the players below (let's try a different approach he...,
Mendos,
06-Jan-15 02:24 AM, #42
Reward originality.,
ibuki,
06-Jan-15 03:35 AM, #43
In case it isn't (broadly) known, originality is alread...,
Mendos,
06-Jan-15 03:50 AM, #44
Don't look now,
Ysaloerye,
06-Jan-15 11:27 AM, #50
RE: To the players below (let's try a different approac...,
Tac,
06-Jan-15 09:08 AM, #48
I want to feel bad for you (because you're cool) but I ...,
TMNS,
05-Jan-15 09:18 PM, #31
What "arms race" do you refer to?,
Mendos,
06-Jan-15 02:21 AM, #41
Long/short of it..,
TMNS,
06-Jan-15 01:24 PM #53
Descriptions,
Umiron,
05-Jan-15 08:24 PM, #30
RE: Descriptions,
Tac,
05-Jan-15 08:46 PM, #39
I don't think your post here is helpful,
Humbert,
05-Jan-15 09:37 PM, #32
RE: I don't think your post here is helpful,
Tac,
05-Jan-15 10:01 PM, #34
RE: I don't think your post here is helpful,
Humbert,
05-Jan-15 10:11 PM, #35
Ineffective.,
Valguarnera,
05-Jan-15 10:22 PM, #37
RE: Ineffective.,
Humbert,
05-Jan-15 10:26 PM, #38
You guys need to stop,
Knac,
05-Jan-15 09:48 PM, #33
Exactly this. ,
Humbert,
05-Jan-15 10:21 PM, #36
Immortals are Doing a Great Job,
Amora,
05-Jan-15 06:11 PM, #23
Personally...,
TheBluestThumb,
05-Jan-15 05:50 PM, #16
I've agreed with every word you've posted in this threa...,
Artificial,
05-Jan-15 05:40 PM, #13
Of course you do.,
Tsunami,
05-Jan-15 06:13 PM, #24
Over reactions,
Tsunami,
05-Jan-15 05:37 PM, #11
RE: Over reactions,
Akresius,
05-Jan-15 05:47 PM, #14
RE: Over reactions,
Tsunami,
05-Jan-15 06:01 PM, #20
It seems like the staff has been overzealous in 'enforc...,
Lhydia,
05-Jan-15 04:44 PM, #3
RE: It seems like the staff has been overzealous in 'en...,
Akresius,
05-Jan-15 05:19 PM, #6
No. And I'd say sorry you're so jaded but the attitude ...,
Lhydia,
05-Jan-15 05:19 PM, #9
Rotd & description room,
Demos,
05-Jan-15 11:42 PM, #40
RE: It seems like the staff has been overzealous in 'en...,
Deaer (Anonymous),
05-Jan-15 05:17 PM, #8
Caldysias and Baelen weren't a perma dude. NT,
TMNS,
05-Jan-15 05:31 PM, #10
I didn't catch everyone.,
Akresius,
05-Jan-15 05:51 PM, #18
is the juice worth the squeeze,
laxman,
05-Jan-15 04:25 PM, #1
Removing multicharing and permagrouping rules would sav...,
Akresius,
05-Jan-15 04:31 PM, #2
That doesn't really answer the question.,
Tac,
05-Jan-15 04:51 PM, #4
I wouldn't think those are good comparisons,
laxman,
05-Jan-15 05:01 PM, #5
An easy way to hand out xp is for solid descriptions.,
Akresius,
05-Jan-15 05:15 PM, #7
Consequence,
Tsunami,
05-Jan-15 05:40 PM, #12
RE: Consequence,
Akresius,
05-Jan-15 05:49 PM, #15
It's not?,
Tsunami,
05-Jan-15 06:06 PM, #21
There's the disconnect.,
Akresius,
05-Jan-15 06:22 PM, #25
Not really.,
Tsunami,
05-Jan-15 06:34 PM, #26
RE: Not really.,
Akresius,
05-Jan-15 06:43 PM, #28
For sure.,
Tsunami,
05-Jan-15 08:14 PM, #29
RE: An easy way to hand out xp is for solid description...,
Knac,
05-Jan-15 05:50 PM, #17
RE: An easy way to hand out xp is for solid description...,
Akresius,
05-Jan-15 05:55 PM, #19
To be honest -250 imm exp isn't much.,
Deaer (Anonymous),
05-Jan-15 06:10 PM, #22
RE: To be honest -250 imm exp isn't much.,
Knac,
05-Jan-15 06:34 PM, #27
This is rather relevatory,
laxman,
06-Jan-15 10:41 AM, #49
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