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Graatch (inactive user)Tue 24-Aug-04 12:55 PM
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#5620, "I don't understand you people"


          

Summon has been this way for years. Years. Like a decade. Actually, it was more powerful way back when in the days it could summon someone from another area.

Why now is there this screaming "summon is overpowered!" conversation?

It can't be due to a few imperials doing the summon near centurions thing, that's been done for years. Years. Every single black sect and shaman imperial did it to one extent or another. It's one of the obvious benefits and tactics of that cabal. I've used it and I've had it used against me. What's the problem now that didn't exist before?

It can't be due to the ability to summon and gang a person, that's been done for years. Years. Every single cabal has ganged and been ganged, and every single cabal has had people summoned from their inner guardian. (Even villagers. There was a brief time when the village was not cursed/nosum.) What has changed now to create this hue and cry?

It can't be due to some sudden inability to resist summon. If anything there is more save vs. spell gear now, and ways to prevent summoning, than ever before. And, as many have noted, a near infinite number of alternate paths to any area in order to let you just completely avoid a summoner if you want.

I don't understand the underlying problem here. Could someone please explain it to me?

  

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HOT TopicSummon as a ganking tool [View all] , incognito, Sun 22-Aug-04 05:03 PM
Reply Proposed FIX, NNNick, 24-Aug-04 02:01 PM, #54
Reply Though Normally we don't seem to see Eye to eye, Drag0nSt0rm, 24-Aug-04 06:22 PM, #56
Reply I like that, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:25 PM, #58
Reply and I wouldn't make it 2 rounds lag, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:28 PM, #59
Reply Well..., SandDemon, 24-Aug-04 06:44 PM, #60
     Reply Replies, NNNick, 25-Aug-04 02:29 PM, #61
          Reply Pretty sure summon is not 2 rounds lag, incognito, 25-Aug-04 05:38 PM, #63
Reply I don't understand you people, (NOT Graatch), 24-Aug-04 12:55 PM #51
Reply Try READING Graatch. (txt), Larcat, 24-Aug-04 12:58 PM, #52
Reply RE: I don't understand you people, Nightgaunt_, 24-Aug-04 01:02 PM, #53
Reply You are the one saying overpowered, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:23 PM, #57
Reply uh, permanewbie, 23-Aug-04 03:07 PM, #26
Reply Also, permanewbie, 23-Aug-04 03:11 PM, #27
     Reply that's not quite what I meant, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:07 PM, #32
          Reply RE: that's not quite what I meant, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:21 PM, #37
               Reply what if, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:25 PM, #40
Reply I'm more interested/worried in the 'recent' tactic:, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 22-Aug-04 10:30 PM, #7
Reply RE: I'm more interested/worried in the 'recent' tactic:, Straklaw, 23-Aug-04 01:29 AM, #8
Reply If by 'recent' you mean 10 years old?, Evil Genius (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 03:58 AM, #11
Reply Notice the quotes. And sure, but:, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 06:17 AM, #12
     Reply RE: Notice the quotes. And sure, but:, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 11:18 AM, #17
          Reply hardly much chance, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:08 PM, #33
Reply Step on eastern road, type where, Theerkla, 23-Aug-04 06:44 AM, #13
     Reply RE: Step on eastern road, type where, SandDemon, 23-Aug-04 12:50 PM, #22
     Reply RE: Step on eastern road, type where, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 01:07 PM, #23
          Reply RE: Step on eastern road, type where, SandDemon, 23-Aug-04 03:30 PM, #29
     Reply Sure, but:, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:12 PM, #34
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, Audriel, 22-Aug-04 10:16 PM, #6
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, incognito, 23-Aug-04 03:26 AM, #9
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 11:16 AM, #16
     Reply Reduction in power is not always a drawback, incognito, 23-Aug-04 11:41 AM, #18
     Reply RE: Reduction in power is not always a drawback, Audriel, 23-Aug-04 02:21 PM, #25
          Reply ok. Looking at these points, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:03 PM, #31
               Reply RE: ok. Looking at these points, Audriel, 23-Aug-04 05:15 PM, #43
                    Reply I'll add:, Valguarnera, 23-Aug-04 05:29 PM, #44
                    Reply Maybe I'm wrong, incognito, 24-Aug-04 03:12 AM, #47
                    Reply What bothers me about summoning, Marcus_, 24-Aug-04 06:48 AM, #48
                         Reply Question is:, nepenthe, 24-Aug-04 07:37 AM, #49
                              Reply well, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:17 PM, #55
     Reply and also, incognito, 23-Aug-04 11:48 AM, #19
          Reply RE: and also, incognito, 23-Aug-04 11:56 AM, #20
               Reply RE: and also, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 01:16 PM, #24
                    Reply I only need to read what you wrote..., incognito, 23-Aug-04 03:17 PM, #28
                         Reply RE: I only need to read what you wrote..., (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 03:49 PM, #30
                              Reply you are still missing the point, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:22 PM, #39
                              Reply RE: And yet., Balrahd, 25-Aug-04 02:57 PM, #62
Reply Only change I'd make is more cabal inners no-summon, Theerkla, 23-Aug-04 06:50 AM, #14
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, (NOT Graatch), 22-Aug-04 07:06 PM, #2
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, Balrahd, 22-Aug-04 07:23 PM, #3
     Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, (NOT Graatch), 22-Aug-04 08:28 PM, #5
          Reply It doesn't ensure a one on one fight, incognito, 23-Aug-04 03:32 AM, #10
          Reply I disagree fundamentally., Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:19 PM, #36
          Reply Cannot handle?, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:33 PM, #41
Reply I'm confused., Valguarnera, 22-Aug-04 06:04 PM, #1
     Reply A possible explanation..., vargal, 22-Aug-04 07:23 PM, #4
     Reply RE: I'm confused., Straklaw, 23-Aug-04 10:18 AM, #15
          Reply Why?, Valguarnera, 23-Aug-04 12:39 PM, #21
               Reply Summon can't follow the logic of throw., Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:15 PM, #35
                    Reply Agreed., Valguarnera, 23-Aug-04 04:22 PM, #38
                         Reply well, if you call it, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:43 PM, #42
                         Reply I guess it could be explained that way. n/t, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 07:06 PM, #46
                         Reply That made me laugh outloud. Thanks. n/t, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 06:40 PM, #45
                         Reply RE: Agreed., Hutto, 24-Aug-04 11:59 AM, #50
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