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incognitoMon 23-Aug-04 11:41 AM
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#5579, "Reduction in power is not always a drawback"


          

You say that reducing the effectiveness of summon is a drawback. To who? My current (when I actually play) and last four characters (at least, since they were Baendra, Hargustin, Sossaphrin, and Thurthath) have all been summoners. Reducing the effectiveness of summoning into a large group is not a drawback imho. Not every reduction in power is a drawback. If assassinate worked 100% of the time and I suggested it shouldn't, would you say it was a drawback because it reduced the effectiveness of assassinate? Clearly not.

Why is it every time someone suggests a change everyone assumes it is complaining? I am not suffering from things being the way they are, but others are. I am suggesting this change because I believe it would make for more interesting and fun gameplay for all. Was adding the other anti-gank code a drawback because it reduced the chance of someone being permabashed?

Summon is a useful tool, but also is a tool that can generate risk free kills by gank. By all means kill by gank, but accept, as a summoner, that you will incur an element of risk to yourself if you do. The change I suggest would mean that instead of death by gank you have an increased chance of those attempting to gank finding themselves having to fend for themselves, or that two groups fight each other in a more even fight. Taking the example where the one imperial got summoned into the group of 8 (was it?) fortress members. Would it have been more fun in that situation if the use of summon had actually backfire and sent the summoners the other way because of the mismatch in numbers? I think so. It would have made a pretty interesting fight actually, instead of an 8 v 1 gank. It would have sent three summoners to the imperial at the inner, whilst the others would have had to break past the outer.

Is it more fun to have a group v group fight or a fight were one group kills each of the others one by one, even if you are on the winning side? Personally, I'd rather win without spamming summon whilst my group rips each unfortunate to pieces in turn.

  

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HOT TopicSummon as a ganking tool [View all] , incognito, Sun 22-Aug-04 05:03 PM
Reply Proposed FIX, NNNick, 24-Aug-04 02:01 PM, #54
Reply Though Normally we don't seem to see Eye to eye, Drag0nSt0rm, 24-Aug-04 06:22 PM, #56
Reply I like that, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:25 PM, #58
Reply and I wouldn't make it 2 rounds lag, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:28 PM, #59
Reply Well..., SandDemon, 24-Aug-04 06:44 PM, #60
     Reply Replies, NNNick, 25-Aug-04 02:29 PM, #61
          Reply Pretty sure summon is not 2 rounds lag, incognito, 25-Aug-04 05:38 PM, #63
Reply I don't understand you people, (NOT Graatch), 24-Aug-04 12:55 PM, #51
Reply Try READING Graatch. (txt), Larcat, 24-Aug-04 12:58 PM, #52
Reply RE: I don't understand you people, Nightgaunt_, 24-Aug-04 01:02 PM, #53
Reply You are the one saying overpowered, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:23 PM, #57
Reply uh, permanewbie, 23-Aug-04 03:07 PM, #26
Reply Also, permanewbie, 23-Aug-04 03:11 PM, #27
     Reply that's not quite what I meant, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:07 PM, #32
          Reply RE: that's not quite what I meant, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:21 PM, #37
               Reply what if, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:25 PM, #40
Reply I'm more interested/worried in the 'recent' tactic:, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 22-Aug-04 10:30 PM, #7
Reply RE: I'm more interested/worried in the 'recent' tactic:, Straklaw, 23-Aug-04 01:29 AM, #8
Reply If by 'recent' you mean 10 years old?, Evil Genius (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 03:58 AM, #11
Reply Notice the quotes. And sure, but:, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 06:17 AM, #12
     Reply RE: Notice the quotes. And sure, but:, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 11:18 AM, #17
          Reply hardly much chance, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:08 PM, #33
Reply Step on eastern road, type where, Theerkla, 23-Aug-04 06:44 AM, #13
     Reply RE: Step on eastern road, type where, SandDemon, 23-Aug-04 12:50 PM, #22
     Reply RE: Step on eastern road, type where, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 01:07 PM, #23
          Reply RE: Step on eastern road, type where, SandDemon, 23-Aug-04 03:30 PM, #29
     Reply Sure, but:, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:12 PM, #34
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, Audriel, 22-Aug-04 10:16 PM, #6
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, incognito, 23-Aug-04 03:26 AM, #9
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 11:16 AM, #16
     Reply Reduction in power is not always a drawback, incognito, 23-Aug-04 11:41 AM #18
     Reply RE: Reduction in power is not always a drawback, Audriel, 23-Aug-04 02:21 PM, #25
          Reply ok. Looking at these points, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:03 PM, #31
               Reply RE: ok. Looking at these points, Audriel, 23-Aug-04 05:15 PM, #43
                    Reply I'll add:, Valguarnera, 23-Aug-04 05:29 PM, #44
                    Reply Maybe I'm wrong, incognito, 24-Aug-04 03:12 AM, #47
                    Reply What bothers me about summoning, Marcus_, 24-Aug-04 06:48 AM, #48
                         Reply Question is:, nepenthe, 24-Aug-04 07:37 AM, #49
                              Reply well, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:17 PM, #55
     Reply and also, incognito, 23-Aug-04 11:48 AM, #19
          Reply RE: and also, incognito, 23-Aug-04 11:56 AM, #20
               Reply RE: and also, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 01:16 PM, #24
                    Reply I only need to read what you wrote..., incognito, 23-Aug-04 03:17 PM, #28
                         Reply RE: I only need to read what you wrote..., (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 03:49 PM, #30
                              Reply you are still missing the point, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:22 PM, #39
                              Reply RE: And yet., Balrahd, 25-Aug-04 02:57 PM, #62
Reply Only change I'd make is more cabal inners no-summon, Theerkla, 23-Aug-04 06:50 AM, #14
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, (NOT Graatch), 22-Aug-04 07:06 PM, #2
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, Balrahd, 22-Aug-04 07:23 PM, #3
     Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, (NOT Graatch), 22-Aug-04 08:28 PM, #5
          Reply It doesn't ensure a one on one fight, incognito, 23-Aug-04 03:32 AM, #10
          Reply I disagree fundamentally., Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:19 PM, #36
          Reply Cannot handle?, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:33 PM, #41
Reply I'm confused., Valguarnera, 22-Aug-04 06:04 PM, #1
     Reply A possible explanation..., vargal, 22-Aug-04 07:23 PM, #4
     Reply RE: I'm confused., Straklaw, 23-Aug-04 10:18 AM, #15
          Reply Why?, Valguarnera, 23-Aug-04 12:39 PM, #21
               Reply Summon can't follow the logic of throw., Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:15 PM, #35
                    Reply Agreed., Valguarnera, 23-Aug-04 04:22 PM, #38
                         Reply well, if you call it, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:43 PM, #42
                         Reply I guess it could be explained that way. n/t, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 07:06 PM, #46
                         Reply That made me laugh outloud. Thanks. n/t, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 06:40 PM, #45
                         Reply RE: Agreed., Hutto, 24-Aug-04 11:59 AM, #50
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