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HuttoTue 24-Aug-04 11:59 AM
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#5619, "RE: Agreed."


          

Here's an idea: Don't do the inverse summoning thing. But make it so that with more pks around, it is more likely it doesn't work or it summons the wrong person. There are several ways you could do this and have it fit logically.

For example, when a lot of people are around, you split the chance of success with everyone present and see who comes up as the target of the spell. So if there is the summoner plus 5 others in the area, he'll have a 20% chance of the Summon spell targeting the desired target. Then you try the saves to see if he/she is actually summoned or not.

A second way might be to give it only a chance to wrongly summon people in the same room as you. The Summon magic looks for another person to summon, and those nearby are easily sucked in. Hang around too many people when you're trying to summon, and it probably won't work as you like, but it will work as usual when you are alone and there's another huge gang in the area. So if there is the summoner plus 5 others in the area, with 2 people in the same room: 33% chance per guy in room, and 33% chance of summoning correct target (assuming he fails his saves after this).

And there could be a lot of variations between, and around, these two. Maybe you have a chance of summoning anyone in the area, but a slightly better chance of summoning people near you. Maybe the spell picks off the person in the area with the worst saves, no matter where he is (this would be delightful for a necromancer, but might seem to encourage picking on newbies too much). Maybe there is a chance to summon mobs from the area.

I do think Nepenthe is right about Centurions versus Summon, but I know there has been griping about cabal defences that could be 4 versus 2 at the inner cabal guard that end up at the outer as 4 versus 1, twice, due to summoning.

Please don't mess up summon too much though. Although it is frequently used to beat down on solo people, it is also a really good tool for splitting up and fighting groups as a solo person.


Hutto, the Sleepy Nitpicker


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HOT TopicSummon as a ganking tool [View all] , incognito, Sun 22-Aug-04 05:03 PM
Reply Proposed FIX, NNNick, 24-Aug-04 02:01 PM, #54
Reply Though Normally we don't seem to see Eye to eye, Drag0nSt0rm, 24-Aug-04 06:22 PM, #56
Reply I like that, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:25 PM, #58
Reply and I wouldn't make it 2 rounds lag, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:28 PM, #59
Reply Well..., SandDemon, 24-Aug-04 06:44 PM, #60
     Reply Replies, NNNick, 25-Aug-04 02:29 PM, #61
          Reply Pretty sure summon is not 2 rounds lag, incognito, 25-Aug-04 05:38 PM, #63
Reply I don't understand you people, (NOT Graatch), 24-Aug-04 12:55 PM, #51
Reply Try READING Graatch. (txt), Larcat, 24-Aug-04 12:58 PM, #52
Reply RE: I don't understand you people, Nightgaunt_, 24-Aug-04 01:02 PM, #53
Reply You are the one saying overpowered, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:23 PM, #57
Reply uh, permanewbie, 23-Aug-04 03:07 PM, #26
Reply Also, permanewbie, 23-Aug-04 03:11 PM, #27
     Reply that's not quite what I meant, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:07 PM, #32
          Reply RE: that's not quite what I meant, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:21 PM, #37
               Reply what if, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:25 PM, #40
Reply I'm more interested/worried in the 'recent' tactic:, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 22-Aug-04 10:30 PM, #7
Reply RE: I'm more interested/worried in the 'recent' tactic:, Straklaw, 23-Aug-04 01:29 AM, #8
Reply If by 'recent' you mean 10 years old?, Evil Genius (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 03:58 AM, #11
Reply Notice the quotes. And sure, but:, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 06:17 AM, #12
     Reply RE: Notice the quotes. And sure, but:, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 11:18 AM, #17
          Reply hardly much chance, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:08 PM, #33
Reply Step on eastern road, type where, Theerkla, 23-Aug-04 06:44 AM, #13
     Reply RE: Step on eastern road, type where, SandDemon, 23-Aug-04 12:50 PM, #22
     Reply RE: Step on eastern road, type where, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 01:07 PM, #23
          Reply RE: Step on eastern road, type where, SandDemon, 23-Aug-04 03:30 PM, #29
     Reply Sure, but:, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:12 PM, #34
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, Audriel, 22-Aug-04 10:16 PM, #6
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, incognito, 23-Aug-04 03:26 AM, #9
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 11:16 AM, #16
     Reply Reduction in power is not always a drawback, incognito, 23-Aug-04 11:41 AM, #18
     Reply RE: Reduction in power is not always a drawback, Audriel, 23-Aug-04 02:21 PM, #25
          Reply ok. Looking at these points, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:03 PM, #31
               Reply RE: ok. Looking at these points, Audriel, 23-Aug-04 05:15 PM, #43
                    Reply I'll add:, Valguarnera, 23-Aug-04 05:29 PM, #44
                    Reply Maybe I'm wrong, incognito, 24-Aug-04 03:12 AM, #47
                    Reply What bothers me about summoning, Marcus_, 24-Aug-04 06:48 AM, #48
                         Reply Question is:, nepenthe, 24-Aug-04 07:37 AM, #49
                              Reply well, incognito, 24-Aug-04 06:17 PM, #55
     Reply and also, incognito, 23-Aug-04 11:48 AM, #19
          Reply RE: and also, incognito, 23-Aug-04 11:56 AM, #20
               Reply RE: and also, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 01:16 PM, #24
                    Reply I only need to read what you wrote..., incognito, 23-Aug-04 03:17 PM, #28
                         Reply RE: I only need to read what you wrote..., (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 03:49 PM, #30
                              Reply you are still missing the point, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:22 PM, #39
                              Reply RE: And yet., Balrahd, 25-Aug-04 02:57 PM, #62
Reply Only change I'd make is more cabal inners no-summon, Theerkla, 23-Aug-04 06:50 AM, #14
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, (NOT Graatch), 22-Aug-04 07:06 PM, #2
Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, Balrahd, 22-Aug-04 07:23 PM, #3
     Reply RE: Summon as a ganking tool, (NOT Graatch), 22-Aug-04 08:28 PM, #5
          Reply It doesn't ensure a one on one fight, incognito, 23-Aug-04 03:32 AM, #10
          Reply I disagree fundamentally., Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:19 PM, #36
          Reply Cannot handle?, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:33 PM, #41
Reply I'm confused., Valguarnera, 22-Aug-04 06:04 PM, #1
     Reply A possible explanation..., vargal, 22-Aug-04 07:23 PM, #4
     Reply RE: I'm confused., Straklaw, 23-Aug-04 10:18 AM, #15
          Reply Why?, Valguarnera, 23-Aug-04 12:39 PM, #21
               Reply Summon can't follow the logic of throw., Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 04:15 PM, #35
                    Reply Agreed., Valguarnera, 23-Aug-04 04:22 PM, #38
                         Reply well, if you call it, incognito, 23-Aug-04 04:43 PM, #42
                         Reply I guess it could be explained that way. n/t, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 23-Aug-04 07:06 PM, #46
                         Reply That made me laugh outloud. Thanks. n/t, (NOT Graatch), 23-Aug-04 06:40 PM, #45
                         Reply RE: Agreed., Hutto, 24-Aug-04 11:59 AM #50
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