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sorlag (inactive user)Fri 13-Aug-10 12:53 PM
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#34588, "RE: Ignoring Torak's posts, then:"


          

It's been my observation, based on comments made by Immortals at various times, usually after the fact, that the rules yo do have simply aren't applied consistently.

I've heard an Immortal say more than once something to the effect of, "... I probably should have applied <punishment> at <Xyz> time" after never doing so, or doing it much later.

I can understand coming down on Torak's group harder because most of them have records. Even in the case of the other 95% (as you put it) though, it seems like sometimes you guys act swiftly and harshly, and sometimes you you do not, and in hindsight, there was no particular reason why other than a difference in which person handled the incident or whether or not that person was having a good day.

Sometimes a person with no history gets a warning, sometimes they do not. Sometimes people press their luck and nobody politely taps them on the shoulder and says, "Hey, you're crossing the (vague) line now, so you know.", and then they wonder what happened when you go off on them later. This usually leads to people not necessarily knowing that their behavior isn't 100% kosher and being ignorant to the fact that some Immortal is up there annoyed and pissed off with them thinking, "Grr, I should punish them!" but doesn't, for some reason.

It all just seems very inconsistent. Forget the rules themselves, the verbiage, etc. The way the Immortals apply them jut seems incredibly inconsistent and unpredictable that I can understand why, apparently, a lot of people either have no clue where the lines are drawn at all or disagree as to what is and isn't okay.

Final random thought: It's NEVER the staff's fault when a person break the rules, but it is hard to sympathize with them when somebody gets away with bending the rules (either intentionally or out of ignorance) for so long they simply assume that officially or unofficially, what they're doing is acceptable and this results in a player just doing what they think is apparently gonna fly while an Immortal sits there brooding over what an asshat this person is. Consistent enforcement (and even reminders/minor butt kicking) would solve this. You can argue the Imms should have to do this in the first place, I guess, but focusing on it a little more would probably improve things for everyone, for what it's worth.

  

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HOT Locked TopicSo it's been a week.... [View all] , Torak, Fri 13-Aug-10 02:40 AM
Reply Well, Valkenar, 13-Aug-10 12:40 PM, #35
Reply Non sequitur, The Heretic, 13-Aug-10 11:42 AM, #15
Reply not everyone thinks a change would be good., Elerosse, 13-Aug-10 10:42 AM, #6
Reply Seconded... (n/t), yr_blues, 13-Aug-10 10:46 AM, #7
Reply There's a few problems with your argument, Torak, 13-Aug-10 11:13 AM, #9
     Reply the problem is.., Elerosse, 13-Aug-10 11:48 AM, #16
          Reply But see, I don't have to guess., Eskelian, 13-Aug-10 11:47 AM, #17
               Reply i forgot you know everything, Elerosse, 13-Aug-10 12:23 PM, #27
                    Reply RE: i forgot you know everything, sorlag (Anonymous), 13-Aug-10 01:37 PM, #42
                    Reply RE: i forgot you know everything, Elerosse, 13-Aug-10 02:27 PM, #43
                         Reply RE: i forgot you know everything, sorlag (Anonymous), 13-Aug-10 03:05 PM, #46
                              Reply RE: i forgot you know everything, Elerosse, 13-Aug-10 04:25 PM, #51
                    Reply Your deflection fails., Eskelian, 13-Aug-10 03:24 PM, #49
                         Reply Did you say something new?, Elerosse, 13-Aug-10 04:14 PM, #50
                              Reply FYI I'm not talking about 10 years ago or vastly more p..., Eskelian, 13-Aug-10 04:31 PM, #52
Reply RE: So it's been a week...., Lyristeon, 13-Aug-10 09:23 AM, #3
Reply RE: So it's been a week...., Eskelian, 13-Aug-10 09:34 AM, #4
Reply RE: So it's been a week...., Lyristeon, 13-Aug-10 09:45 AM, #5
     Reply RE: So it's been a week...., Eskelian, 13-Aug-10 11:21 AM, #12
          Reply i can agree here, Elerosse, 13-Aug-10 12:21 PM, #33
Reply So that means you basically like enforcing on a whim, Torak, 13-Aug-10 11:05 AM, #8
     Reply The rules seem clearly defined for 95% of players, you ..., laxman, 13-Aug-10 11:14 AM, #10
          Reply Give me examples, Torak, 13-Aug-10 11:27 AM, #13
          Reply welcome to the digital age where you cannot escape your..., laxman, 13-Aug-10 12:50 PM, #37
          Reply RE: The rules seem clearly defined for 95% of players, ..., Eskelian, 13-Aug-10 11:28 AM, #14
               Reply Ignoring Torak's posts, then:, Twist, 13-Aug-10 11:47 AM, #18
               Reply RE: Ignoring Torak's posts, then:, Eskelian, 13-Aug-10 11:55 AM, #20
               Reply RE: Ignoring Torak's posts, then:, Lyristeon, 13-Aug-10 12:00 PM, #21
                    Reply RE: Ignoring Torak's posts, then:, Eskelian, 13-Aug-10 12:06 PM, #23
                    Reply RE: Ignoring Torak's posts, then:, Lyristeon, 13-Aug-10 12:08 PM, #
                    Reply RE: Ignoring Torak's posts, then:, Eskelian, 13-Aug-10 12:12 PM, #25
                         Reply RE: Ignoring Torak's posts, then:, Lyristeon, 13-Aug-10 12:19 PM, #31
                    Reply I'd suggest emailing the IMPs when you're wondering., Twist, 13-Aug-10 12:12 PM, #26
                         Reply RE: I'd suggest emailing the IMPs when you're wondering..., Eskelian, 13-Aug-10 12:15 PM, #29
                              Reply I say personally, I'm an IMP..., Twist, 13-Aug-10 12:19 PM, #32
                    Reply I can vouch for this., Splntrd, 13-Aug-10 02:52 PM, #44
                         Reply RE: I can vouch for this., Eskelian, 13-Aug-10 03:01 PM, #45
                              Reply RE: I can vouch for this., Lyristeon, 13-Aug-10 03:07 PM, #47
                              Reply Oh, I know., Splntrd, 13-Aug-10 03:11 PM, #48
               Reply So...., Torak, 13-Aug-10 12:03 PM, #22
               Reply This pretty much sums it up for me, Zulghinlour, 13-Aug-10 12:48 PM, #36
               Reply RE: Ignoring Torak's posts, then:, sorlag (Anonymous), 13-Aug-10 12:53 PM #39
               Reply RE: The rules seem clearly defined for 95% of players, ..., Lyristeon, 13-Aug-10 11:51 AM, #19
                    Reply Always the history comment.., Torak, 13-Aug-10 12:11 PM, #24
                         Reply RE: Always the history comment.., Lyristeon, 13-Aug-10 12:14 PM, #28
                              Reply RE: Always the history comment.., Torak, 13-Aug-10 12:18 PM, #30
                                   Reply RE: Always the history comment.., Lyristeon, 13-Aug-10 12:28 PM, #34
                                        Reply Ugh, Torak, 13-Aug-10 12:51 PM, #38
                                             Reply RE: Ugh, sorlag (Anonymous), 13-Aug-10 12:59 PM, #40
                                                  Reply RE: Ugh, Torak, 13-Aug-10 01:11 PM, #41
Reply Why respond?, Asthiss, 13-Aug-10 09:19 AM, #2
Reply I aggree....small text, Behnistek, 13-Aug-10 03:34 AM, #1
     Reply you are beating a dead horse, laxman, 13-Aug-10 11:15 AM, #11
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