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lasentiaFri 23-Mar-12 07:29 AM
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#107711, "That's just it."


          

Allysia is one character, not every character I've ever played, but I suppose that's fair to assume.

Raiding:
Inners +1 defender make it hard to raid against as a solo attacker. That's just all there is to it. Retrievals are a different story. But to actually raid nexus, it's going to take two + villagers usually to get past one nexus defender of any class. Jhappil at the inners I would bet on 9 times out of 10 vs. any lone raiding villager.

Command denial
That's just a no. Berserkers have a decent chance kill someone while being lagged like that, and last I checked there are scouts and defenders. I say villagers, I did not say berserkers. But yeah, you're right, DB is the most OP thing in the game, I forgot. A nexus char has much better ways to avoid ever being in a situation where he can be lagged out compared to what a battlerager has. Yes, DB might save a villager in 10% of those situations (defenders and scouts will just die). Most other times though, the berserker just dies as well.

This topic.
I'm looking at both sides of this because I've seen both sides, same as Solec did. There is merit to the things Jhappil and Bolzhor said and so I add in my own thoughts because I've played a similar character- a powerhouse build against villagers (and yes, porc/dillo/manticore is a power build against them) and so I have the persepective of knowing what battleragers do in response to those characters, which when added with the other characters I've played in the past four years in fact grants me a little of the perspective you seem to think I lack needed to comment when people talk about these things.

And viewing Solec as a def/def shifter is sort of laughable, because much as I liked him, the manticore is what made him deadly and got him 80% of his PKS probably. Solec was great for his RP in my opinion, PK is secondary to that always in my book. Allysia did have a higher one, but that is pretty much unrelated to a discussion about Solec. I think Bolzhor said something on Allysia's death thread about how there was just nothing he could do when he fought Allysia alone. But you can see my thought on the gank-o-meter posted below if you want to know what I think about that statistic and anyone who bothers to use it in any sort of argument.

Jhappil raised a point about villagers whining about being ganged and then ganging others in raids. Bolzhor thought Solec ganged a lot. Jhappils' right, the BAttleragers do that, and they should if they actually want to complete the raid and not have any of theirs die. Solec fought a lot, but lots of times he likely wouldn't get a solo kill because people escaped him- and getting the Key back with one or two guys helping against four villagers just skews his numbers higher. I've defended both sides because most people have one sided views on this and it's getting old when people make claims that completely disregard anothers.

I thoroughly enjoyed Solec's character, and really the things I have said are in relation to the nexus/battle dynamic far more so than anything to do with specific characters.

  

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HOT Topic(CON LOSS) [NEXUS] Solec of WillowWood, the Embodiment ... [View all] , Death_Angel, Mon 19-Mar-12 07:58 PM
Reply Going to throw my contacts if anyone wants to chat/know..., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 26-Mar-12 02:19 PM, #123
Reply Was really unimpressed with Solec, Bolzhor (Anonymous), 21-Mar-12 06:56 PM, #41
Reply This just makes me sad to read., Puhguly, 21-Mar-12 10:44 PM, #42
Reply Boo this man..... BOOOOOOO n/t, Booing Person (Anonymous), 21-Mar-12 11:34 PM, #43
Reply Is there something wrong with killing BATTLE, Jhappil (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 03:59 AM, #44
Reply RE: Was really unimpressed with Solec, Daevryn, 22-Mar-12 06:46 AM, #45
Reply An issue he is raising is, Quixotic, 22-Mar-12 07:05 AM, #46
Reply Who cares., Bolzhor (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 09:48 AM, #48
Reply he did hunt fort when light tipped, laxman, 22-Mar-12 10:05 AM, #51
     Reply 2 Fortress kills in 827 hours., ibuki, 22-Mar-12 01:58 PM, #89
          Reply No reason to focus on just Fort, AXera, 22-Mar-12 11:02 PM, #104
          Reply RE: No reason to focus on just Fort, Jhappil (Anonymous), 25-Mar-12 07:28 AM, #109
          Reply He would've had more..., Illanthos, 23-Mar-12 12:36 AM, #105
Reply I give up!, Bolzhor (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 09:43 AM, #47
     Reply RE: I give up!, Daevryn, 22-Mar-12 09:51 AM, #49
          Reply Now my opinion is stupid?, Bolzhor (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 10:03 AM, #50
               Reply RE: Now my opinion is stupid?, Daevryn, 22-Mar-12 10:11 AM, #52
               Reply RE: Now my opinion is stupid?, Illanthos, 22-Mar-12 10:12 AM, #53
               Reply THIS, Jhappil (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 11:45 AM, #56
               Reply That's funny., lasentia, 22-Mar-12 12:45 PM, #75
                    Reply Thank you for this post, Bolzhor (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:57 PM, #79
                    Reply RE: Thank you for this post, Jhappil (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 01:39 PM, #87
                    Reply Let me elaborate , Jhappil (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 01:56 PM, #88
                    Reply RE: Let me elaborate , Bolzhor (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 02:11 PM, #92
                         Reply Well sorry your not impressived by an 800 hour plus cha..., Tesline, 23-Mar-12 04:29 AM, #106
                              Reply Are you kidding?, Onewingedangel, 27-Mar-12 01:28 AM, #125
                    Reply You're crazy. Ragers piss lightning bolts and #### thu..., TMNS, 22-Mar-12 04:27 PM, #99
                    Reply Oh come on, AXera, 22-Mar-12 10:21 PM, #103
                         Reply That's just it., lasentia, 23-Mar-12 07:29 AM #107
                              Reply RE: That's just it., Daevryn, 23-Mar-12 07:47 AM, #108
                              Reply I regret my tone, AXera, 26-Mar-12 09:03 AM, #116
               Reply Maybe I missed it?, Bolzhor (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:27 PM, #69
               Reply So your judging a character of over 800 hours, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 01:26 PM, #86
               Reply Why o Why does everyone think Vanguard is useless again..., TMNS, 22-Mar-12 04:24 PM, #98
                    Reply Vanguard, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 04:33 PM, #100
                         Reply RE: Vanguard, Rayihn, 22-Mar-12 04:51 PM, #101
               Reply Out of curiosity, why do you think the bond is a nexus ..., Bubthegreat, 25-Mar-12 05:15 PM, #111
                    Reply RE: Out of curiosity, why do you think the bond is a ne..., Graatch, 25-Mar-12 06:01 PM, #112
                         Reply Marans cry is the same thing. Promotes group Pk., Gaplemo, 25-Mar-12 10:11 PM, #113
                         Reply Resist is a tough power to compete it., DurNominator, 25-Mar-12 10:40 PM, #114
                         Reply I tend to fight them 1v1 way too often, AXera, 26-Mar-12 08:49 AM, #115
                              Reply What about non RBW types?, Kalageadon, 26-Mar-12 11:31 AM, #117
                                   Reply RE: What about non RBW types?, Daevryn, 26-Mar-12 11:34 AM, #118
                                        Reply How does that work?, Valkenar, 26-Mar-12 12:47 PM, #119
                                        Reply RE: How does that work?, Daevryn, 26-Mar-12 01:00 PM, #122
                                             Reply RE: How does that work?, Valkenar, 26-Mar-12 06:24 PM, #124
                                        Reply Amen kemosabe. A-freaking-Men. NT, TMNS, 26-Mar-12 12:57 PM, #121
                         Reply 2 on 1 is NOT a gang dude., TMNS, 26-Mar-12 12:55 PM, #120
Reply One question these pbf stats do raise is:, Malakhi, 22-Mar-12 10:17 AM, #54
Reply Absolutely this., Artificial, 22-Mar-12 11:27 AM, #55
     Reply RE: Absolutely this., sezdral, 22-Mar-12 11:47 AM, #57
          Reply I think a lot of Battle ragers should be true neutral t..., lasentia, 22-Mar-12 12:19 PM, #66
               Reply I ran the numbers on all rager PBF:s, Marcus_, 22-Mar-12 01:17 PM, #84
               Reply Yay! In the 9% :) NT, TMNS, 22-Mar-12 04:22 PM, #97
               Reply I agree too, sezdral, 22-Mar-12 01:59 PM, #90
               Reply Battle tends towards Chaotic Neutral mostly in concept., TMNS, 22-Mar-12 04:21 PM, #96
Reply An Apology, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 11:53 AM, #58
Reply ?, Bolzhor (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:24 PM, #67
Reply Gang-o-meters are just bad., lasentia, 22-Mar-12 01:06 PM, #80
Reply You like numbers? Some solo PK's., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 01:10 PM, #83
Reply So you like numbers Part 2., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 01:19 PM, #85
     Reply Your data means nothing, this is CarrionFields - You fo..., Bertmaern (Anonymous), 28-Mar-12 08:45 AM, #126
Reply RE: An Apology, DurNominator, 22-Mar-12 02:04 PM, #91
     Reply I was voicing more on characters, not players., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 03:39 PM, #94
Reply Stop looking only at the numbers you want too., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 03:42 PM, #95
Reply Second Round of Goodbyes!, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 20-Mar-12 10:52 AM, #35
Reply RE: Second Round of Goodbyes!, Illanthos, 20-Mar-12 01:47 PM, #38
Reply Thanks, man., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:58 PM, #81
Reply No goodbyes for Fjodir?! :(, Amberion, 20-Mar-12 02:04 PM, #39
Reply I can't believe I forgot Fjodir, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:54 PM, #78
Reply RE: Second Round of Goodbyes!, Onya (Anonymous), 20-Mar-12 04:03 PM, #40
Reply Roleplay and the first set of Goodbyes!, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 19-Mar-12 06:50 PM, #18
Reply Gaunting shapeshifters rarely did much, Artificial, 19-Mar-12 06:59 PM, #16
Reply RE: Roleplay and the first set of Goodbyes!, Rayihn, 19-Mar-12 07:15 PM, #17
Reply Our interactions became amazing., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:51 PM, #77
     Reply Oops, Rayihn, 22-Mar-12 01:05 PM, #82
     Reply No worries, I laughed when it happened., Salyeris (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 05:33 PM, #102
Reply RE: Roleplay and the first set of Goodbyes!, Jastyna (Anonymous), 19-Mar-12 07:30 PM, #20
Reply Lullaby always worked on me., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:45 PM, #76
Reply Said some stuff in my goodbye but I'll hash some more o..., Atracius (Anonymous), 19-Mar-12 07:54 PM, #21
Reply Another of my favourite enemies., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:43 PM, #74
Reply Love/Hate are the words of the day., Mauz (Anonymous), 19-Mar-12 08:48 PM, #22
Reply I offered positions in Nexus, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:39 PM, #73
Reply Fantastic Char, Puhguly, 19-Mar-12 08:59 PM, #23
Reply You did that whole post without a smirk., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:35 PM, #72
Reply Time to fess up!, AXera, 19-Mar-12 09:09 PM, #24
Reply I also voted for Gdot., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:33 PM, #71
Reply Wow what a sad day., Ghafler (Anonymous), 20-Mar-12 12:24 AM, #26
Reply Haha, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:30 PM, #70
Reply Bye, Omaga (Anonymous), 20-Mar-12 01:01 AM, #27
Reply You have no idea how much I liked Omaga., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:26 PM, #68
     Reply Thanks, Omaga (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 02:29 PM, #93
Reply WHAT about your friendly neighbourhood gorilla, Jhappil (Anonymous), 20-Mar-12 04:33 AM, #29
Reply What can I say?, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:19 PM, #65
Reply assassinating Solec, Iepnier (Anonymous), 20-Mar-12 07:09 AM, #30
Reply I didn't complain about you., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:15 PM, #64
Reply RE: Roleplay and the first set of Goodbyes!, Daevryn, 20-Mar-12 07:41 AM, #31
Reply Might I offer a request then?, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 20-Mar-12 10:08 AM, #33
     Reply Similar thought I've had, Dallevian, 20-Mar-12 10:48 AM, #34
Reply Nicely done., Allysia (Anonymous), 20-Mar-12 07:43 AM, #32
Reply You were a monster, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:11 PM, #63
Reply Very impressive character., Tesline, 20-Mar-12 11:56 AM, #36
Reply RE: Roleplay and the first set of Goodbyes!, Faru (Anonymous), 20-Mar-12 01:09 PM, #37
     Reply Only 1 disappointment in my eyes., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:09 PM, #62
Reply Solec's Mechanics and Thoughts., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 19-Mar-12 04:55 PM, #14
Reply RE: Manticore, Zulghinlour, 19-Mar-12 06:21 PM, #15
Reply Great character!, Yindathos (Anonymous), 19-Mar-12 04:54 PM, #13
Reply Though I prefer serious characters,, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:05 PM, #61
Reply Truly great character!, Whiysdan, 19-Mar-12 04:10 PM, #11
Reply Truthfully, Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 12:03 PM, #60
Reply Well Done!, Swabaum (Anonymous), 19-Mar-12 03:51 PM, #10
Reply What a fine job., Dallevian, 19-Mar-12 02:30 PM, #6
Reply Awesome char. Was glad they gave you manticore., TMNS, 19-Mar-12 01:16 PM, #4
Reply Mmmm...manticore (n/t), Zulghinlour, 19-Mar-12 02:27 PM, #5
     Reply I will not stop until I get the Trogdor quest form., TMNS, 19-Mar-12 03:27 PM, #7
     Reply Join the club, Abernyte, 20-Mar-12 04:28 AM, #28
          Reply RE: Join the club, Catastrophic, 25-Mar-12 08:43 AM, #110
     Reply How do you get those kind of forms? n/t, Formguy (Anonymous), 19-Mar-12 03:42 PM, #8
          Reply RE: How do you get those kind of forms? n/t, Rayihn, 19-Mar-12 03:46 PM, #9
               Reply cough. nt, Artificial, 19-Mar-12 04:29 PM, #12
                    Reply RE: cough. nt, Rayihn, 19-Mar-12 07:19 PM, #19
Reply Wondered, Tairneach (Anonymous), 19-Mar-12 12:54 PM, #3
Reply Great character., Twist, 19-Mar-12 12:38 PM, #2
Reply Interesting Statistic., Kalageadon, 19-Mar-12 09:12 PM, #25
Reply RE: (CON LOSS) [NEXUS] Solec of WillowWood, the Embodim..., Belgha (Anonymous), 19-Mar-12 12:24 PM, #1
     Reply You had some serious damage output., Solec of WillowWood (Anonymous), 22-Mar-12 11:56 AM, #59
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