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TacFri 16-Mar-18 11:57 AM
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>Not something I have access to at the moment. Like I said
>above, though, I'm not sure looking at "all the numbers" is
>the best way to gauge whether something is OP. If a class has
>a gimmick that works against newbies but hardly ever against
>anyone who knows what they're doing, is it really OP?

I don't think it is a gimmick that only works against newbies. Trip + cheapshot is, because flight is cheap and easy to get. I'm also not sure your competent goodies faced any competent assassins. Especially ones exploiting the issues I specifically called out as adding up to the overall problem.


2607 Tiiga 5 570 91% 380 0.667 37 14 0 half-drow assassin orderly evil none 9/21/2016 17 71 500 13 1.24 1.68
911 Gaspare 10 870 94% 269 0.309 16 14 0 lich necromancer orderly evil empire 3/13/2016 53 127 4800 1 1.62 1.69
1320 Jeede 7 660 83% 223 0.338 45 14 0 human assassin neutral evil scarab 9/22/2016 19 55 5800 9 1.31 1.44
1940 Nazarates 1 491 97% 202 0.411 6 2 0 human assassin orderly evil empire 12/26/2016 43 88 700 0 1.6 1.83
403 Cainasir 3 299 98% 179 0.599 4 4 0 human assassin orderly evil scarab 1/8/2016 23 44 900 2 1.1 1.5


This is clearly cherry picked, but for characters dying in 2016, 4 of the top 5 killers were assassins played by 3 different players, and the other was a Lich. If you want to pull some goodie stats from that time period and see how people matched up against competent assassins, I'm betting you get the opposite story. You have to, because they ran 90% ish ratios, so clearly they were killing more than just newbs. That's why I think the overall data set is more telling.

  

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HOT TopicCF Assassins [View all] , Mcbeth, Thu 15-Mar-18 01:10 PM
Reply don't forget -STR changes and lag to walking, Dallevian, 25-Mar-18 06:15 PM, #47
Reply No -str from ground control on throw..., Tac, 26-Mar-18 09:27 AM, #48
Reply For gods sake can we let it go!, DeathIncarnate, 23-Mar-18 07:07 PM, #43
Reply They have NOT been the same., Murphy, 23-Mar-18 07:27 PM, #44
Reply Wrong., Matrik-, 24-Mar-18 01:46 PM, #45
     Reply Yuck, he has Matrik's memories, too. (n/t), Murphy, 24-Mar-18 05:39 PM, #46
Reply How about the Law of Conservation of Ninjutsu?, Murphy, 23-Mar-18 03:50 AM, #39
Reply Assassins suck, Kstatida, 23-Mar-18 06:35 AM, #40
Reply RE: CF Assassins, Jormyr, 16-Mar-18 02:20 PM, #21
Reply FWIW Perma-lag throw isn't generally the issue..., Tac, 16-Mar-18 04:45 PM, #22
Reply RE: CF Assassins, Saagkri, 16-Mar-18 05:54 PM, #23
     Reply Two Cents, Daerkshyn, 18-Mar-18 01:12 AM, #26
          Reply I'm on board with the spirit of this post..., Tac, 19-Mar-18 09:09 AM, #27
               Reply RE: I'm on board with the spirit of this post..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 19-Mar-18 12:02 PM, #28
                    Reply Thieves, Saagkri, 19-Mar-18 02:40 PM, #29
                         Reply RE: Thieves, Thaedan (Anonymous), 19-Mar-18 04:22 PM, #30
                         Reply RE: Thieves, Saagkri, 19-Mar-18 05:46 PM, #31
                              Reply RE: Thieves, Thaedan (Anonymous), 19-Mar-18 10:44 PM, #37
                         Reply I'd also add one more thing, Bemused, 19-Mar-18 06:29 PM, #32
                              Reply Incentives are good..., Saagkri, 19-Mar-18 06:38 PM, #33
                                   Reply RE: Incentives are good..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 19-Mar-18 07:24 PM, #34
                                        Reply RE: Incentives are good..., Saagkri, 19-Mar-18 07:34 PM, #35
                                             Reply RE: Incentives are good..., Bemused, 19-Mar-18 08:42 PM, #36
                                             Reply RE: Incentives are good..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 19-Mar-18 10:48 PM, #38
                                             Reply There is some partially self selected data (From PBFs), SPN, 23-Mar-18 01:34 PM, #41
                                                  Reply RE: There is some partially self selected data (From PB..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 23-Mar-18 04:21 PM, #42
Reply All #### needs to be supported by statistics, Kstatida, 16-Mar-18 02:57 AM, #10
Reply RE: All #### needs to be supported by statistics, Thaedan (Anonymous), 16-Mar-18 09:26 AM, #11
Reply So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a rep..., Tac, 16-Mar-18 11:04 AM, #13
Reply RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 16-Mar-18 11:31 AM, #14
     Reply RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a..., Tac, 16-Mar-18 11:57 AM #15
          Reply RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 16-Mar-18 12:53 PM, #16
Reply We tell newbs to play assassins., Saagkri, 16-Mar-18 01:53 PM, #20
Reply These were all before the throw edge hype., Murphy, 16-Mar-18 08:11 PM, #24
     Reply RE: These were all before the throw edge hype., Thaedan (Anonymous), 16-Mar-18 09:24 PM, #25
Reply What would you do stats on exactly?, robdarken_, 16-Mar-18 01:33 PM, #17
Reply RE: CF Assassins, Thaedan (Anonymous), 15-Mar-18 04:52 PM, #9
Reply "That includes when I don't have detect hidden." When ..., Tac, 16-Mar-18 10:46 AM, #12
     Reply #truth (N/T), Jormyr, 16-Mar-18 01:14 PM, #18
Reply RE: CF Assassins, Jaegendar, 15-Mar-18 02:56 PM, #7
Reply RE: CF Assassins, Tac, 15-Mar-18 04:39 PM, #8
Reply IMO it's just the OP edges, Calion, 15-Mar-18 02:02 PM, #6
Reply Just speculation..., Saagkri, 15-Mar-18 01:32 PM, #3
Reply Taking away trance might up the number of assassination..., Mcbeth, 15-Mar-18 01:36 PM, #4
Reply RE: CF Assassins, robdarken_, 15-Mar-18 01:21 PM, #1
     Reply Throw/GC vs rest of the skillset in PK, Mcbeth, 15-Mar-18 01:26 PM, #2
     Reply Agree., robdarken_, 16-Mar-18 01:30 PM, #19
     Reply RE: CF Assassins, Tac, 15-Mar-18 01:44 PM, #5
          Reply Having just put almost 300 hour in one..., Dhoyshdean, 28-Mar-18 09:37 AM, #49
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