Tac | Fri 16-Mar-18 11:57 AM |
Member since 15th Nov 2005
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#70126, "RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a..."
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>Not something I have access to at the moment. Like I said >above, though, I'm not sure looking at "all the numbers" is >the best way to gauge whether something is OP. If a class has >a gimmick that works against newbies but hardly ever against >anyone who knows what they're doing, is it really OP?
I don't think it is a gimmick that only works against newbies. Trip + cheapshot is, because flight is cheap and easy to get. I'm also not sure your competent goodies faced any competent assassins. Especially ones exploiting the issues I specifically called out as adding up to the overall problem.
2607 Tiiga 5 570 91% 380 0.667 37 14 0 half-drow assassin orderly evil none 9/21/2016 17 71 500 13 1.24 1.68 911 Gaspare 10 870 94% 269 0.309 16 14 0 lich necromancer orderly evil empire 3/13/2016 53 127 4800 1 1.62 1.69 1320 Jeede 7 660 83% 223 0.338 45 14 0 human assassin neutral evil scarab 9/22/2016 19 55 5800 9 1.31 1.44 1940 Nazarates 1 491 97% 202 0.411 6 2 0 human assassin orderly evil empire 12/26/2016 43 88 700 0 1.6 1.83 403 Cainasir 3 299 98% 179 0.599 4 4 0 human assassin orderly evil scarab 1/8/2016 23 44 900 2 1.1 1.5
This is clearly cherry picked, but for characters dying in 2016, 4 of the top 5 killers were assassins played by 3 different players, and the other was a Lich. If you want to pull some goodie stats from that time period and see how people matched up against competent assassins, I'm betting you get the opposite story. You have to, because they ran 90% ish ratios, so clearly they were killing more than just newbs. That's why I think the overall data set is more telling.
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CF Assassins
[View all] , Mcbeth, Thu 15-Mar-18 01:10 PM
don't forget -STR changes and lag to walking,
Dallevian,
25-Mar-18 06:15 PM, #47
No -str from ground control on throw...,
Tac,
26-Mar-18 09:27 AM, #48
For gods sake can we let it go!,
DeathIncarnate,
23-Mar-18 07:07 PM, #43
They have NOT been the same.,
Murphy,
23-Mar-18 07:27 PM, #44
Wrong.,
Matrik-,
24-Mar-18 01:46 PM, #45
Yuck, he has Matrik's memories, too. (n/t),
Murphy,
24-Mar-18 05:39 PM, #46
How about the Law of Conservation of Ninjutsu?,
Murphy,
23-Mar-18 03:50 AM, #39
Assassins suck,
Kstatida,
23-Mar-18 06:35 AM, #40
RE: CF Assassins,
Jormyr,
16-Mar-18 02:20 PM, #21
FWIW Perma-lag throw isn't generally the issue...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 04:45 PM, #22
RE: CF Assassins,
Saagkri,
16-Mar-18 05:54 PM, #23
Two Cents,
Daerkshyn,
18-Mar-18 01:12 AM, #26
I'm on board with the spirit of this post...,
Tac,
19-Mar-18 09:09 AM, #27
RE: I'm on board with the spirit of this post...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 12:02 PM, #28
Thieves,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 02:40 PM, #29
RE: Thieves,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 04:22 PM, #30
RE: Thieves,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 05:46 PM, #31
RE: Thieves,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 10:44 PM, #37
I'd also add one more thing,
Bemused,
19-Mar-18 06:29 PM, #32
Incentives are good...,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 06:38 PM, #33
RE: Incentives are good...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 07:24 PM, #34
RE: Incentives are good...,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 07:34 PM, #35
RE: Incentives are good...,
Bemused,
19-Mar-18 08:42 PM, #36
RE: Incentives are good...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 10:48 PM, #38
There is some partially self selected data (From PBFs),
SPN,
23-Mar-18 01:34 PM, #41
RE: There is some partially self selected data (From PB...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
23-Mar-18 04:21 PM, #42
All #### needs to be supported by statistics,
Kstatida,
16-Mar-18 02:57 AM, #10
RE: All #### needs to be supported by statistics,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 09:26 AM, #11
So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a rep...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 11:04 AM, #13
RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 11:31 AM, #14
RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 11:57 AM #15
RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 12:53 PM, #16
We tell newbs to play assassins.,
Saagkri,
16-Mar-18 01:53 PM, #20
These were all before the throw edge hype.,
Murphy,
16-Mar-18 08:11 PM, #24
RE: These were all before the throw edge hype.,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 09:24 PM, #25
What would you do stats on exactly?,
robdarken_,
16-Mar-18 01:33 PM, #17
RE: CF Assassins,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
15-Mar-18 04:52 PM, #9
"That includes when I don't have detect hidden." When ...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 10:46 AM, #12
#truth (N/T),
Jormyr,
16-Mar-18 01:14 PM, #18
RE: CF Assassins,
Jaegendar,
15-Mar-18 02:56 PM, #7
RE: CF Assassins,
Tac,
15-Mar-18 04:39 PM, #8
IMO it's just the OP edges,
Calion,
15-Mar-18 02:02 PM, #6
Just speculation...,
Saagkri,
15-Mar-18 01:32 PM, #3
Taking away trance might up the number of assassination...,
Mcbeth,
15-Mar-18 01:36 PM, #4
RE: CF Assassins,
robdarken_,
15-Mar-18 01:21 PM, #1
Throw/GC vs rest of the skillset in PK,
Mcbeth,
15-Mar-18 01:26 PM, #2
Agree.,
robdarken_,
16-Mar-18 01:30 PM, #19
RE: CF Assassins,
Tac,
15-Mar-18 01:44 PM, #5
Having just put almost 300 hour in one...,
Dhoyshdean,
28-Mar-18 09:37 AM, #49
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