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#70117, "RE: All #### needs to be supported by statistics"
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I took at look at good-aligned characters with lots of PKs during the last 5-6 years that also don't have detect hidden. Or, at least, not all the time, i.e. I'm going to include conjurers and shapeshifters.
Why good? Because, with a few exceptions, most competent assassins are evil or neutral. Good-aligned characters should be more frequently targeted by assassins than evil. Here's what I found:
Oshui, shifter, 23-1 vs. Assassins (1 assassinate), 47 total PK losses Vozmuir, warrior, 11-1 vs. Assassins (1 assassinate), 28 total PK losses Clahier, conjurer, 10-0 vs. Assassins, 12 total PK losses Azhelak, ranger, 3-0 vs. Assassins, 14 total PK losses Merrol, shaman, 14-0 vs. Assassins, 19 total PK losses Caldysias, paladin, 6-0 vs. Assassins, 13 total PK losses Tolgrumm, paladin, 10-2 vs. Assassins (1 assassinate), 63 total PK losses Eachainn, invoker, 7-7 vs. Assassins (3 assassinates), 24 total PK losses
Out of those, Eachainn is the only one who really performed poorly against assassins relative to the success he had against other classes. Interestingly, he also did poorly vs. rangers (2-3), invokers (1-1) and necromancers (0-3).
Granted this is a very small sample size and some of these characters are 6 years old. Also I'm looking only at characters that enjoyed PK success; it could be that non-PK-savvy players are especially vulnerable to the assassin class in ways more-PK-savvy players aren't.
For fun, here are stats for some 2012+ PK-savvy battleragers without detect hidden:
Salyeris, bard, 8-1 (1 assassinate), 64 total PK losses Lohakahn, warrior, 5-2, 89 total PK losses Hexugar, warrior, 4-0, 28 total PK losses Akedeh, warrior, 6-0, 67 total PK losses Bosephus, warrior, 12-0, 21 total PK losses Aulrathdien, warrior, 6-0, 3 total PK losses Kontoln, warrior, 6-0, 95 total PK losses Erighan, warrior, 3-3, 37 total PK losses
Of these, Erighan is the only one who didn't out-perform his overall PK ratio against the assassin class.
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CF Assassins
[View all] , Mcbeth, Thu 15-Mar-18 01:10 PM
don't forget -STR changes and lag to walking,
Dallevian,
25-Mar-18 06:15 PM, #47
No -str from ground control on throw...,
Tac,
26-Mar-18 09:27 AM, #48
For gods sake can we let it go!,
DeathIncarnate,
23-Mar-18 07:07 PM, #43
They have NOT been the same.,
Murphy,
23-Mar-18 07:27 PM, #44
Wrong.,
Matrik-,
24-Mar-18 01:46 PM, #45
Yuck, he has Matrik's memories, too. (n/t),
Murphy,
24-Mar-18 05:39 PM, #46
How about the Law of Conservation of Ninjutsu?,
Murphy,
23-Mar-18 03:50 AM, #39
Assassins suck,
Kstatida,
23-Mar-18 06:35 AM, #40
RE: CF Assassins,
Jormyr,
16-Mar-18 02:20 PM, #21
FWIW Perma-lag throw isn't generally the issue...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 04:45 PM, #22
RE: CF Assassins,
Saagkri,
16-Mar-18 05:54 PM, #23
Two Cents,
Daerkshyn,
18-Mar-18 01:12 AM, #26
I'm on board with the spirit of this post...,
Tac,
19-Mar-18 09:09 AM, #27
RE: I'm on board with the spirit of this post...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 12:02 PM, #28
Thieves,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 02:40 PM, #29
RE: Thieves,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 04:22 PM, #30
RE: Thieves,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 05:46 PM, #31
RE: Thieves,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 10:44 PM, #37
I'd also add one more thing,
Bemused,
19-Mar-18 06:29 PM, #32
Incentives are good...,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 06:38 PM, #33
RE: Incentives are good...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 07:24 PM, #34
RE: Incentives are good...,
Saagkri,
19-Mar-18 07:34 PM, #35
RE: Incentives are good...,
Bemused,
19-Mar-18 08:42 PM, #36
RE: Incentives are good...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
19-Mar-18 10:48 PM, #38
There is some partially self selected data (From PBFs),
SPN,
23-Mar-18 01:34 PM, #41
RE: There is some partially self selected data (From PB...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
23-Mar-18 04:21 PM, #42
All #### needs to be supported by statistics,
Kstatida,
16-Mar-18 02:57 AM, #10
RE: All #### needs to be supported by statistics,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 09:26 AM #11
So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a rep...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 11:04 AM, #13
RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 11:31 AM, #14
RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 11:57 AM, #15
RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a...,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 12:53 PM, #16
We tell newbs to play assassins.,
Saagkri,
16-Mar-18 01:53 PM, #20
These were all before the throw edge hype.,
Murphy,
16-Mar-18 08:11 PM, #24
RE: These were all before the throw edge hype.,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
16-Mar-18 09:24 PM, #25
What would you do stats on exactly?,
robdarken_,
16-Mar-18 01:33 PM, #17
RE: CF Assassins,
Thaedan (Anonymous),
15-Mar-18 04:52 PM, #9
"That includes when I don't have detect hidden." When ...,
Tac,
16-Mar-18 10:46 AM, #12
#truth (N/T),
Jormyr,
16-Mar-18 01:14 PM, #18
RE: CF Assassins,
Jaegendar,
15-Mar-18 02:56 PM, #7
RE: CF Assassins,
Tac,
15-Mar-18 04:39 PM, #8
IMO it's just the OP edges,
Calion,
15-Mar-18 02:02 PM, #6
Just speculation...,
Saagkri,
15-Mar-18 01:32 PM, #3
Taking away trance might up the number of assassination...,
Mcbeth,
15-Mar-18 01:36 PM, #4
RE: CF Assassins,
robdarken_,
15-Mar-18 01:21 PM, #1
Throw/GC vs rest of the skillset in PK,
Mcbeth,
15-Mar-18 01:26 PM, #2
Agree.,
robdarken_,
16-Mar-18 01:30 PM, #19
RE: CF Assassins,
Tac,
15-Mar-18 01:44 PM, #5
Having just put almost 300 hour in one...,
Dhoyshdean,
28-Mar-18 09:37 AM, #49
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