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Thaedan (Anonymous)Fri 16-Mar-18 09:26 AM
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I took at look at good-aligned characters with lots of PKs during the last 5-6 years that also don't have detect hidden. Or, at least, not all the time, i.e. I'm going to include conjurers and shapeshifters.

Why good? Because, with a few exceptions, most competent assassins are evil or neutral. Good-aligned characters should be more frequently targeted by assassins than evil. Here's what I found:

Oshui, shifter, 23-1 vs. Assassins (1 assassinate), 47 total PK losses
Vozmuir, warrior, 11-1 vs. Assassins (1 assassinate), 28 total PK losses
Clahier, conjurer, 10-0 vs. Assassins, 12 total PK losses
Azhelak, ranger, 3-0 vs. Assassins, 14 total PK losses
Merrol, shaman, 14-0 vs. Assassins, 19 total PK losses
Caldysias, paladin, 6-0 vs. Assassins, 13 total PK losses
Tolgrumm, paladin, 10-2 vs. Assassins (1 assassinate), 63 total PK losses
Eachainn, invoker, 7-7 vs. Assassins (3 assassinates), 24 total PK losses

Out of those, Eachainn is the only one who really performed poorly against assassins relative to the success he had against other classes. Interestingly, he also did poorly vs. rangers (2-3), invokers (1-1) and necromancers (0-3).

Granted this is a very small sample size and some of these characters are 6 years old. Also I'm looking only at characters that enjoyed PK success; it could be that non-PK-savvy players are especially vulnerable to the assassin class in ways more-PK-savvy players aren't.

For fun, here are stats for some 2012+ PK-savvy battleragers without detect hidden:

Salyeris, bard, 8-1 (1 assassinate), 64 total PK losses
Lohakahn, warrior, 5-2, 89 total PK losses
Hexugar, warrior, 4-0, 28 total PK losses
Akedeh, warrior, 6-0, 67 total PK losses
Bosephus, warrior, 12-0, 21 total PK losses
Aulrathdien, warrior, 6-0, 3 total PK losses
Kontoln, warrior, 6-0, 95 total PK losses
Erighan, warrior, 3-3, 37 total PK losses

Of these, Erighan is the only one who didn't out-perform his overall PK ratio against the assassin class.

  

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HOT TopicCF Assassins [View all] , Mcbeth, Thu 15-Mar-18 01:10 PM
Reply don't forget -STR changes and lag to walking, Dallevian, 25-Mar-18 06:15 PM, #47
Reply No -str from ground control on throw..., Tac, 26-Mar-18 09:27 AM, #48
Reply For gods sake can we let it go!, DeathIncarnate, 23-Mar-18 07:07 PM, #43
Reply They have NOT been the same., Murphy, 23-Mar-18 07:27 PM, #44
Reply Wrong., Matrik-, 24-Mar-18 01:46 PM, #45
     Reply Yuck, he has Matrik's memories, too. (n/t), Murphy, 24-Mar-18 05:39 PM, #46
Reply How about the Law of Conservation of Ninjutsu?, Murphy, 23-Mar-18 03:50 AM, #39
Reply Assassins suck, Kstatida, 23-Mar-18 06:35 AM, #40
Reply RE: CF Assassins, Jormyr, 16-Mar-18 02:20 PM, #21
Reply FWIW Perma-lag throw isn't generally the issue..., Tac, 16-Mar-18 04:45 PM, #22
Reply RE: CF Assassins, Saagkri, 16-Mar-18 05:54 PM, #23
     Reply Two Cents, Daerkshyn, 18-Mar-18 01:12 AM, #26
          Reply I'm on board with the spirit of this post..., Tac, 19-Mar-18 09:09 AM, #27
               Reply RE: I'm on board with the spirit of this post..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 19-Mar-18 12:02 PM, #28
                    Reply Thieves, Saagkri, 19-Mar-18 02:40 PM, #29
                         Reply RE: Thieves, Thaedan (Anonymous), 19-Mar-18 04:22 PM, #30
                         Reply RE: Thieves, Saagkri, 19-Mar-18 05:46 PM, #31
                              Reply RE: Thieves, Thaedan (Anonymous), 19-Mar-18 10:44 PM, #37
                         Reply I'd also add one more thing, Bemused, 19-Mar-18 06:29 PM, #32
                              Reply Incentives are good..., Saagkri, 19-Mar-18 06:38 PM, #33
                                   Reply RE: Incentives are good..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 19-Mar-18 07:24 PM, #34
                                        Reply RE: Incentives are good..., Saagkri, 19-Mar-18 07:34 PM, #35
                                             Reply RE: Incentives are good..., Bemused, 19-Mar-18 08:42 PM, #36
                                             Reply RE: Incentives are good..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 19-Mar-18 10:48 PM, #38
                                             Reply There is some partially self selected data (From PBFs), SPN, 23-Mar-18 01:34 PM, #41
                                                  Reply RE: There is some partially self selected data (From PB..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 23-Mar-18 04:21 PM, #42
Reply All #### needs to be supported by statistics, Kstatida, 16-Mar-18 02:57 AM, #10
Reply RE: All #### needs to be supported by statistics, Thaedan (Anonymous), 16-Mar-18 09:26 AM #11
Reply So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a rep..., Tac, 16-Mar-18 11:04 AM, #13
Reply RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 16-Mar-18 11:31 AM, #14
     Reply RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a..., Tac, 16-Mar-18 11:57 AM, #15
          Reply RE: So I like the approach, but I don't think this is a..., Thaedan (Anonymous), 16-Mar-18 12:53 PM, #16
Reply We tell newbs to play assassins., Saagkri, 16-Mar-18 01:53 PM, #20
Reply These were all before the throw edge hype., Murphy, 16-Mar-18 08:11 PM, #24
     Reply RE: These were all before the throw edge hype., Thaedan (Anonymous), 16-Mar-18 09:24 PM, #25
Reply What would you do stats on exactly?, robdarken_, 16-Mar-18 01:33 PM, #17
Reply RE: CF Assassins, Thaedan (Anonymous), 15-Mar-18 04:52 PM, #9
Reply "That includes when I don't have detect hidden." When ..., Tac, 16-Mar-18 10:46 AM, #12
     Reply #truth (N/T), Jormyr, 16-Mar-18 01:14 PM, #18
Reply RE: CF Assassins, Jaegendar, 15-Mar-18 02:56 PM, #7
Reply RE: CF Assassins, Tac, 15-Mar-18 04:39 PM, #8
Reply IMO it's just the OP edges, Calion, 15-Mar-18 02:02 PM, #6
Reply Just speculation..., Saagkri, 15-Mar-18 01:32 PM, #3
Reply Taking away trance might up the number of assassination..., Mcbeth, 15-Mar-18 01:36 PM, #4
Reply RE: CF Assassins, robdarken_, 15-Mar-18 01:21 PM, #1
     Reply Throw/GC vs rest of the skillset in PK, Mcbeth, 15-Mar-18 01:26 PM, #2
     Reply Agree., robdarken_, 16-Mar-18 01:30 PM, #19
     Reply RE: CF Assassins, Tac, 15-Mar-18 01:44 PM, #5
          Reply Having just put almost 300 hour in one..., Dhoyshdean, 28-Mar-18 09:37 AM, #49
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