lasentia | Wed 06-Nov-13 08:44 PM |
Member since 27th Apr 2010
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#52809, "RE: Alright then."
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There are almost no truly balanced fights. Most all of them favor one guy or the other, by way of skill, gear, tactics or whatever. That's a fact of playing CF, and more times than not the guy who is favored to win does so.
Uncaballed warrior vs. uncaballed assassin as you pointed out. Warriors vary too much for that to be a good example. Random bash sword spec giant is bashing the assassin into oblivion without using any other command. For all the presumed tactics, it's going to come down to bash spam and passive damage output. If he misses, he just leaves the fight, or if the assassin lands the kote or something which shifts it against the warrior (if he doesn't get perma lagged). Luck very much leads to death in CF in probably hundreds of ways beyond DB firing, and if you don't see that, well, I don't know what to say. Evade firing to get me out of perma lag is luck. Basically any passive skill comes down to luck if it fires. There are so many examples of this in CF that you can't make that claim. Fact is, in CF you have to take into account the randomness (by way of knowing the RNG may or may not go with you) along with the things you can control. That's a lot of the fun of playing CF I find. Assuming this set of moves goes perfectly in a fight this outcome is expected, but if it doesn't what are my other options? How does that vary my tactics or plans? How will I respond? The randomness forces adaptation just as much as skill choice by your opponent, and so randomness showcases skill of a player because they are adaptive to fluid situations.
You want to see variety and utilization of all the things chars have in CF, but in most fights, its straightforward how the fight will go, and trying to incorporate other things leads to either dying, or the person getting away. I don't disagree, I mean, I hate the lag system because I believe command denial makes fights boring because you will see orcs doing nothing but bash and killing you with nothing more than savage feeding, and then there is pincer spam, staggered trips and all that other stuff. And yet, I'll still spam trip in certain fights, because that's how I kill the guy, not just make him run away. But it is a part of CF, and I realize more goes into it than just spamming trip/bash/pincer or whatever that allows me to win.
You want the game to be Street Fighter it seems like, where you each have a skill set and how you use them to attack and counter the other guy determines the outcome. In CF, fights are set up by the char's whole existence. That takes into account their gear, preps, skills, powers and skill %s and everything else that goes into playing, which allows them to have a set of things to attack and counter with.
That's what makes what you do with a char matter, you want to assess something like DB in a vacuum when it doesn't exist in one and can't be viewed in one, nor can any singular mechanic within CF.
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Deathblow.
[View all] , Antipaladin (Anonymous), Fri 11-Oct-13 12:33 AM
RE: Deathblow.,
Daevryn,
11-Oct-13 05:10 PM, #33
Why do you say staff instead of spear?,
That Warrior (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 05:49 PM, #34
Never mind. I know why. Nt,
That Warrior (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 05:54 PM, #36
As much as I hate deathblow,
Artificial,
11-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #35
I'm confused...didn't you have like a 85 ratio v. villa...,
TMNS,
02-Nov-13 12:06 AM, #82
Because it is always just gambling,
Artificial,
02-Nov-13 01:15 AM, #83
See here I think you are overblowing things.,
TMNS,
02-Nov-13 04:44 AM, #84
You need to give me more than wishy washy testimony,
Artificial,
03-Nov-13 04:04 PM, #85
If your AP is dying to ragers I feel bad for you son.,
vargal,
03-Nov-13 04:22 PM, #86
Gotcha. I figured it had to with ego but thanks for cla...,
TMNS,
03-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #87
What is this I don't even...,
Artificial,
03-Nov-13 09:26 PM, #88
Hilarious. ,
TMNS,
04-Nov-13 12:05 AM, #89
RE: What is this I don't even...,
Tsunami,
05-Nov-13 09:13 AM, #91
It's not ego.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 02:12 PM, #92
Think about what you just said.,
Homard,
05-Nov-13 03:27 PM, #93
The time requirements just aren't comparable.,
vargal,
05-Nov-13 04:47 PM, #94
RE: The time requirements just aren't comparable.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 11:08 PM, #96
You continue to miss the point.,
Homard,
06-Nov-13 12:34 PM, #100
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 01:00 PM, #102
Let's look at the top 10 PK characters of all time (who...,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #105
What's your point?,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 03:52 PM, #106
I'll explain,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 04:23 PM, #109
As if those characters happened in a vacuum. lol nt,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 04:43 PM, #110
RE: I'll explain,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #112
When I first began looking at that list,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 05:56 PM, #117
Cleave spam is a valid way to deal with a voker...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 06:13 PM, #119
ABS allows for the same thing, DC.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 05:30 PM, #114
ABS is another mechanic I don't like and have never lik...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #116
Just an idea: compare Twist's ragers and non-ragers. nt,
Quixotic,
06-Nov-13 06:35 PM, #120
Survivability is way too high for non-ragers?,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 06:47 PM, #121
That's a list of great PKers. Good eye.,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 04:03 PM, #107
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Daevryn,
06-Nov-13 06:07 PM, #118
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 11:21 PM, #126
RE: Think about what you just said.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 11:06 PM, #95
Anyone can buy a merc.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 02:09 AM, #97
RE: Anyone can buy a merc.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 02:12 AM, #98
So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 12:13 PM, #99
RE: So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 12:47 PM, #101
unprepped melee clas is fine against village,
laxman,
06-Nov-13 01:24 PM, #103
RE: unprepped melee clas is fine against village,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #104
Again, you are exhaggerating.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 04:10 PM, #108
I feel like...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:05 PM, #111
Alright then.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #113
RE: Alright then.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #115
RE: Alright then.,
lasentia,
06-Nov-13 08:44 PM #123
RE: Alright then.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 11:13 PM, #125
I would take spellbane over anything else. nt,
Artificial,
06-Nov-13 08:35 PM, #122
I don't disagree. That said...,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 10:51 PM, #124
Spellbane.,
Artificial,
06-Nov-13 11:50 PM, #127
Not to argue with Nepenthe.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:24 PM, #39
And you can see this in the log...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:40 PM, #40
RE: And you can see this in the log...,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-13 03:02 PM, #52
So basically...,
Tsunami,
13-Oct-13 09:57 PM, #53
It's pretty analgous to bull fighting.,
vargal,
14-Oct-13 03:46 AM, #54
It does...,
Tsunami,
14-Oct-13 09:05 AM, #55
That actually looks fairly par for the course,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #41
RE: That actually looks fairly par for the course,
Daevryn,
12-Oct-13 08:48 AM, #42
This is a semi-daily occurence for Berserkers.,
Scrimbul,
12-Oct-13 09:38 AM, #43
I don't know about deathblow, but that was pretty norma...,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 02:17 PM, #45
Comparing orcs to APs, orcs do much better in melee aga...,
Quixotic,
12-Oct-13 03:37 PM, #46
Orcs get dodge nt.,
Artificial,
12-Oct-13 03:47 PM, #47
This. A-P's have the same melee defenses as conjurer, s...,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 05:07 PM, #48
APs are generally fine.,
Eskelian,
12-Oct-13 05:17 PM, #49
Actually what orcs have is the bully skill,
laxman,
12-Oct-13 08:15 PM, #51
I have to disagree with this.,
Vladamir,
05-Nov-13 07:22 AM, #90
If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
-flso,
11-Oct-13 09:31 AM, #8
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 10:32 AM, #11
If it's a fight you can't win, running away sounds very...,
Vonzamir,
11-Oct-13 01:00 PM, #28
Change level of DB to same level DA tracks barrier. ,
Temporal Dawn (Anonymous),
12-Oct-13 11:29 AM, #44
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Graatch,
22-Oct-13 01:15 PM, #58
You used a lot of words to say nothing.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
22-Oct-13 03:51 PM, #59
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Sarien,
23-Oct-13 03:19 PM, #61
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Daevryn,
23-Oct-13 04:38 PM, #62
I think one misconception is hilarious here...,
TMNS,
23-Oct-13 04:53 PM, #63
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Eskelian,
23-Oct-13 08:01 PM, #64
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Daevryn,
23-Oct-13 08:26 PM, #65
That's fair, considering no other class or cabal has to...,
Perpetual_Noob,
24-Oct-13 07:46 AM, #66
Yeah you're a better man than I.,
Eskelian,
29-Oct-13 08:00 PM, #69
RE: That's fair, considering no other class or cabal ha...,
Daevryn,
30-Oct-13 06:55 AM, #70
I have no dog in this fight...,
Perpetual_Noob,
30-Oct-13 11:14 PM, #71
Playing Battle will help your perspective.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 12:12 AM, #72
To be fair...,
Eskelian,
31-Oct-13 09:21 AM, #73
Yeah but...,
Tsunami,
31-Oct-13 09:23 AM, #74
I care.,
Murphy,
31-Oct-13 09:58 AM, #75
Do you?,
Tsunami,
31-Oct-13 10:44 AM, #76
You're missing the point.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 10:49 AM, #77
RE: You're missing the point.,
Eskelian,
31-Oct-13 11:03 AM, #78
Begging for sanc? Good god no.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 11:10 AM, #79
RE: I have no dog in this fight...,
Daevryn,
31-Oct-13 10:12 PM, #80
All true.,
Perpetual_Noob,
01-Nov-13 05:48 PM, #81
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Sarien,
24-Oct-13 08:18 AM, #67
The power scales differ for the two though,
lasentia,
24-Oct-13 10:23 AM, #68
DB is balanced because...,
Ruk (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 08:24 AM, #5
Just want to mention...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 09:59 AM, #9
Also...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 10:01 AM, #10
Playing my share of RBW and Anti Paladins...,
Knac,
22-Oct-13 05:22 PM, #60
use your skills,
Ruk (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:08 AM, #12
Except,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:13 AM, #13
Counter RNG,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 11:18 AM, #14
RE: Counter RNG,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:33 AM, #15
Further...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:55 AM, #16
Hey,,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:09 PM, #18
RE: Further...,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:13 PM, #20
Levels (off topic).,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:16 PM, #21
Not melee.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:19 PM, #22
Pretty sure you're wrong.,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:36 PM, #26
Melee, not skills.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:49 PM, #27
your argument is plausible.,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 01:02 PM, #29
RE: Pretty sure you're wrong.,
Daevryn,
11-Oct-13 05:02 PM, #32
Any chance this could get changed?,
Artificial,
11-Oct-13 06:22 PM, #37
This. ,
Zephon,
12-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #50
Impossible.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 07:47 PM, #38
RE: Impossible.,
Sarien,
18-Oct-13 01:54 PM, #56
RE: Counter RNG,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:05 PM, #17
This is a good response.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:12 PM, #19
Yep,,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:25 PM, #23
There's ways to deal with that.,
Eskelian,
11-Oct-13 01:26 PM, #30
Assuming you're the guy who always posts with this tone,
KaguMaru,
11-Oct-13 12:30 PM, #24
I don't think that's a very good argument,
Vortex Magus,
11-Oct-13 04:04 PM, #31
Thing is, 2-round kills can happen with and without DB.,
Murphy,
11-Oct-13 02:49 AM, #1
With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 03:15 AM, #2
RE: With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 08:40 AM, #6
Vanguard would help a lot too,
lasentia,
11-Oct-13 08:43 AM, #7
Damage reduction is multiplicative, not additive,
KaguMaru,
11-Oct-13 12:32 PM, #25
I've never said deathblow is OP, but I've never liked i...,
Theerkla,
11-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #3
Gotta play a berserker, maybe I'll finally break 20 pks...,
Murphy,
11-Oct-13 05:47 AM, #4
Berserkers in general,
SideStrider,
20-Oct-13 10:43 PM, #57
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