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lasentiaWed 06-Nov-13 08:44 PM
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#52809, "RE: Alright then."


          

There are almost no truly balanced fights. Most all of them favor one guy or the other, by way of skill, gear, tactics or whatever. That's a fact of playing CF, and more times than not the guy who is favored to win does so.

Uncaballed warrior vs. uncaballed assassin as you pointed out. Warriors vary too much for that to be a good example. Random bash sword spec giant is bashing the assassin into oblivion without using any other command. For all the presumed tactics, it's going to come down to bash spam and passive damage output. If he misses, he just leaves the fight, or if the assassin lands the kote or something which shifts it against the warrior (if he doesn't get perma lagged). Luck very much leads to death in CF in probably hundreds of ways beyond DB firing, and if you don't see that, well, I don't know what to say. Evade firing to get me out of perma lag is luck. Basically any passive skill comes down to luck if it fires. There are so many examples of this in CF that you can't make that claim. Fact is, in CF you have to take into account the randomness (by way of knowing the RNG may or may not go with you) along with the things you can control. That's a lot of the fun of playing CF I find. Assuming this set of moves goes perfectly in a fight this outcome is expected, but if it doesn't what are my other options? How does that vary my tactics or plans? How will I respond? The randomness forces adaptation just as much as skill choice by your opponent, and so randomness showcases skill of a player because they are adaptive to fluid situations.

You want to see variety and utilization of all the things chars have in CF, but in most fights, its straightforward how the fight will go, and trying to incorporate other things leads to either dying, or the person getting away. I don't disagree, I mean, I hate the lag system because I believe command denial makes fights boring because you will see orcs doing nothing but bash and killing you with nothing more than savage feeding, and then there is pincer spam, staggered trips and all that other stuff. And yet, I'll still spam trip in certain fights, because that's how I kill the guy, not just make him run away. But it is a part of CF, and I realize more goes into it than just spamming trip/bash/pincer or whatever that allows me to win.

You want the game to be Street Fighter it seems like, where you each have a skill set and how you use them to attack and counter the other guy determines the outcome. In CF, fights are set up by the char's whole existence. That takes into account their gear, preps, skills, powers and skill %s and everything else that goes into playing, which allows them to have a set of things to attack and counter with.

That's what makes what you do with a char matter, you want to assess something like DB in a vacuum when it doesn't exist in one and can't be viewed in one, nor can any singular mechanic within CF.

  

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HOT TopicDeathblow. [View all] , Antipaladin (Anonymous), Fri 11-Oct-13 12:33 AM
Reply RE: Deathblow., Daevryn, 11-Oct-13 05:10 PM, #33
Reply Why do you say staff instead of spear?, That Warrior (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 05:49 PM, #34
Reply Never mind. I know why. Nt, That Warrior (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 05:54 PM, #36
Reply As much as I hate deathblow, Artificial, 11-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #35
Reply I'm confused...didn't you have like a 85 ratio v. villa..., TMNS, 02-Nov-13 12:06 AM, #82
     Reply Because it is always just gambling, Artificial, 02-Nov-13 01:15 AM, #83
          Reply See here I think you are overblowing things., TMNS, 02-Nov-13 04:44 AM, #84
               Reply You need to give me more than wishy washy testimony, Artificial, 03-Nov-13 04:04 PM, #85
                    Reply If your AP is dying to ragers I feel bad for you son., vargal, 03-Nov-13 04:22 PM, #86
                    Reply Gotcha. I figured it had to with ego but thanks for cla..., TMNS, 03-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #87
                         Reply What is this I don't even..., Artificial, 03-Nov-13 09:26 PM, #88
                         Reply Hilarious. , TMNS, 04-Nov-13 12:05 AM, #89
                         Reply RE: What is this I don't even..., Tsunami, 05-Nov-13 09:13 AM, #91
                         Reply It's not ego., Eskelian, 05-Nov-13 02:12 PM, #92
                              Reply Think about what you just said., Homard, 05-Nov-13 03:27 PM, #93
                                   Reply The time requirements just aren't comparable., vargal, 05-Nov-13 04:47 PM, #94
                                   Reply RE: The time requirements just aren't comparable., Eskelian, 05-Nov-13 11:08 PM, #96
                                        Reply You continue to miss the point., Homard, 06-Nov-13 12:34 PM, #100
                                             Reply RE: You continue to miss the point., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 01:00 PM, #102
                                                  Reply Let's look at the top 10 PK characters of all time (who..., TJHuron, 06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #105
                                                  Reply What's your point?, Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 03:52 PM, #106
                                                  Reply I'll explain, TJHuron, 06-Nov-13 04:23 PM, #109
                                                  Reply As if those characters happened in a vacuum. lol nt, vargal, 06-Nov-13 04:43 PM, #110
                                                  Reply RE: I'll explain, Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #112
                                                       Reply When I first began looking at that list, TJHuron, 06-Nov-13 05:56 PM, #117
                                                            Reply Cleave spam is a valid way to deal with a voker..., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 06:13 PM, #119
                                                  Reply ABS allows for the same thing, DC., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 05:30 PM, #114
                                                  Reply ABS is another mechanic I don't like and have never lik..., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #116
                                                  Reply Just an idea: compare Twist's ragers and non-ragers. nt, Quixotic, 06-Nov-13 06:35 PM, #120
                                                       Reply Survivability is way too high for non-ragers?, vargal, 06-Nov-13 06:47 PM, #121
                                                  Reply That's a list of great PKers. Good eye., vargal, 06-Nov-13 04:03 PM, #107
                                                  Reply RE: You continue to miss the point., Daevryn, 06-Nov-13 06:07 PM, #118
                                                       Reply RE: You continue to miss the point., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 11:21 PM, #126
                                   Reply RE: Think about what you just said., Eskelian, 05-Nov-13 11:06 PM, #95
                                        Reply Anyone can buy a merc., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 02:09 AM, #97
                                             Reply RE: Anyone can buy a merc., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 02:12 AM, #98
                                                  Reply So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 12:13 PM, #99
                                                       Reply RE: So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 12:47 PM, #101
                                                       Reply unprepped melee clas is fine against village, laxman, 06-Nov-13 01:24 PM, #103
                                                            Reply RE: unprepped melee clas is fine against village, Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #104
                                                                 Reply Again, you are exhaggerating., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 04:10 PM, #108
                                                                      Reply I feel like..., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 05:05 PM, #111
                                                                           Reply Alright then., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #113
                                                                                Reply RE: Alright then., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #115
                                                                                Reply RE: Alright then., lasentia, 06-Nov-13 08:44 PM #123
                                                                                Reply RE: Alright then., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 11:13 PM, #125
                                                                                Reply I would take spellbane over anything else. nt, Artificial, 06-Nov-13 08:35 PM, #122
                                                                                Reply I don't disagree. That said..., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 10:51 PM, #124
                                                                                Reply Spellbane., Artificial, 06-Nov-13 11:50 PM, #127
Reply Not to argue with Nepenthe., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:24 PM, #39
Reply And you can see this in the log..., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:40 PM, #40
     Reply RE: And you can see this in the log..., Daevryn, 13-Oct-13 03:02 PM, #52
          Reply So basically..., Tsunami, 13-Oct-13 09:57 PM, #53
               Reply It's pretty analgous to bull fighting., vargal, 14-Oct-13 03:46 AM, #54
                    Reply It does..., Tsunami, 14-Oct-13 09:05 AM, #55
Reply That actually looks fairly par for the course, KaguMaru, 12-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #41
     Reply RE: That actually looks fairly par for the course, Daevryn, 12-Oct-13 08:48 AM, #42
          Reply This is a semi-daily occurence for Berserkers., Scrimbul, 12-Oct-13 09:38 AM, #43
          Reply I don't know about deathblow, but that was pretty norma..., KaguMaru, 12-Oct-13 02:17 PM, #45
          Reply Comparing orcs to APs, orcs do much better in melee aga..., Quixotic, 12-Oct-13 03:37 PM, #46
               Reply Orcs get dodge nt., Artificial, 12-Oct-13 03:47 PM, #47
                    Reply This. A-P's have the same melee defenses as conjurer, s..., KaguMaru, 12-Oct-13 05:07 PM, #48
                    Reply APs are generally fine., Eskelian, 12-Oct-13 05:17 PM, #49
                    Reply Actually what orcs have is the bully skill, laxman, 12-Oct-13 08:15 PM, #51
          Reply I have to disagree with this., Vladamir, 05-Nov-13 07:22 AM, #90
Reply If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, -flso, 11-Oct-13 09:31 AM, #8
Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 10:32 AM, #11
     Reply If it's a fight you can't win, running away sounds very..., Vonzamir, 11-Oct-13 01:00 PM, #28
     Reply Change level of DB to same level DA tracks barrier. , Temporal Dawn (Anonymous), 12-Oct-13 11:29 AM, #44
     Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Graatch, 22-Oct-13 01:15 PM, #58
          Reply You used a lot of words to say nothing., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 22-Oct-13 03:51 PM, #59
          Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Sarien, 23-Oct-13 03:19 PM, #61
               Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Daevryn, 23-Oct-13 04:38 PM, #62
                    Reply I think one misconception is hilarious here..., TMNS, 23-Oct-13 04:53 PM, #63
                    Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Eskelian, 23-Oct-13 08:01 PM, #64
                    Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Daevryn, 23-Oct-13 08:26 PM, #65
                         Reply That's fair, considering no other class or cabal has to..., Perpetual_Noob, 24-Oct-13 07:46 AM, #66
                              Reply Yeah you're a better man than I., Eskelian, 29-Oct-13 08:00 PM, #69
                              Reply RE: That's fair, considering no other class or cabal ha..., Daevryn, 30-Oct-13 06:55 AM, #70
                                   Reply I have no dog in this fight..., Perpetual_Noob, 30-Oct-13 11:14 PM, #71
                                        Reply Playing Battle will help your perspective., Homard, 31-Oct-13 12:12 AM, #72
                                        Reply To be fair..., Eskelian, 31-Oct-13 09:21 AM, #73
                                             Reply Yeah but..., Tsunami, 31-Oct-13 09:23 AM, #74
                                             Reply I care., Murphy, 31-Oct-13 09:58 AM, #75
                                                  Reply Do you?, Tsunami, 31-Oct-13 10:44 AM, #76
                                             Reply You're missing the point., Homard, 31-Oct-13 10:49 AM, #77
                                                  Reply RE: You're missing the point., Eskelian, 31-Oct-13 11:03 AM, #78
                                                       Reply Begging for sanc? Good god no., Homard, 31-Oct-13 11:10 AM, #79
                                        Reply RE: I have no dog in this fight..., Daevryn, 31-Oct-13 10:12 PM, #80
                                             Reply All true., Perpetual_Noob, 01-Nov-13 05:48 PM, #81
                    Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Sarien, 24-Oct-13 08:18 AM, #67
                         Reply The power scales differ for the two though, lasentia, 24-Oct-13 10:23 AM, #68
Reply DB is balanced because..., Ruk (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 08:24 AM, #5
Reply Just want to mention..., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 09:59 AM, #9
Reply Also..., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 10:01 AM, #10
Reply Playing my share of RBW and Anti Paladins..., Knac, 22-Oct-13 05:22 PM, #60
Reply use your skills, Ruk (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:08 AM, #12
     Reply Except, Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:13 AM, #13
     Reply Counter RNG, Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 11:18 AM, #14
          Reply RE: Counter RNG, Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:33 AM, #15
               Reply Further..., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:55 AM, #16
               Reply Hey,, Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 12:09 PM, #18
               Reply RE: Further..., Iztatsin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 12:13 PM, #20
                    Reply Levels (off topic)., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 12:16 PM, #21
                    Reply Not melee., Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 12:19 PM, #22
                         Reply Pretty sure you're wrong., Iztatsin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 12:36 PM, #26
                              Reply Melee, not skills., Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 12:49 PM, #27
                              Reply your argument is plausible., Iztatsin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 01:02 PM, #29
                              Reply RE: Pretty sure you're wrong., Daevryn, 11-Oct-13 05:02 PM, #32
                                   Reply Any chance this could get changed?, Artificial, 11-Oct-13 06:22 PM, #37
                                   Reply This. , Zephon, 12-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #50
                                   Reply Impossible., Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 07:47 PM, #38
                                        Reply RE: Impossible., Sarien, 18-Oct-13 01:54 PM, #56
               Reply RE: Counter RNG, Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 12:05 PM, #17
                    Reply This is a good response., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 12:12 PM, #19
                         Reply Yep,, Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 12:25 PM, #23
                              Reply There's ways to deal with that., Eskelian, 11-Oct-13 01:26 PM, #30
     Reply Assuming you're the guy who always posts with this tone, KaguMaru, 11-Oct-13 12:30 PM, #24
Reply I don't think that's a very good argument, Vortex Magus, 11-Oct-13 04:04 PM, #31
Reply Thing is, 2-round kills can happen with and without DB., Murphy, 11-Oct-13 02:49 AM, #1
     Reply With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t, Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 03:15 AM, #2
     Reply RE: With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t, Iztatsin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 08:40 AM, #6
     Reply Vanguard would help a lot too, lasentia, 11-Oct-13 08:43 AM, #7
     Reply Damage reduction is multiplicative, not additive, KaguMaru, 11-Oct-13 12:32 PM, #25
     Reply I've never said deathblow is OP, but I've never liked i..., Theerkla, 11-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #3
          Reply Gotta play a berserker, maybe I'll finally break 20 pks..., Murphy, 11-Oct-13 05:47 AM, #4
               Reply Berserkers in general, SideStrider, 20-Oct-13 10:43 PM, #57
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