Tsunami | Fri 11-Oct-13 12:05 PM |
Member since 25th Mar 2008
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#52072, "RE: Counter RNG"
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>He doesn't have to. If the concern is sleep, aside from >spellbane/saves/berserk/getting the first shot - you can also >have someone wake you, work with a defender to cure the >ailments or get an NPC to track you in order to wake you up on >the tick. He can also call thirst and always guarantee the >first shot. How many counters is that just from the top of my >head?
If the concern is deathblow, aside from ABS/preps/landing the first sleep - you can also have someone tank for you, work with a gank mate, or get an NPC to be your meat shield. You can also use NPCS to get in the way of his thirsting. How many counters is that just from the top of my head?
You can't count his options and discount your own.
>That's countering the tactic. There's no counter to "I rolled >20's and now you die".
Counters listed above and in the same vein of his supposed counters to sleep.
>The counters like wearing a shield,enlarging to improve parry and >reduce bash success, flying to avoid trip, being hasted and having >damage reduction preps up should work well enough to at least get >away. The only reason they didn't work is because the damage >multiplier on deathblow needs to be adjusted downward.
Likewise his spellbane/svs/etc. should work well enough to counter sleep, but it doesn't always. Both directions are a gamble, and each of you have ways to improve the chance of killing the other.
>Your problem is you view it like the villager has no options.
I don't view it like that at all. I just don't discount your own options.
>They do. So do I, but mine aren't good enough to deal with >their powers and that is the crux of the issue.
Villagers die. They die to APs. They die at those levels and likely there are examples of it in your exact situation.
>The point to this whole rant is that in a game that is balanced he >has options and I have options and the person who chooses wisely >wins and if we both make wise decisions we stalemate. Not >that you roll the dice and someone dies.
Again, you both were rolling the dice. This match up, in that situation, is not going to be a "close fight." It's going to be you land the sleep or he gets his DBs. Third option being he only gets 1 DB, or half DBs, you get away and either can try to sleep again or teleport/recall/run away.
>If I had a spell that had a 50% chance of kill you or killing me, >that wouldn't be a balanced ability.
Carrion Fields is not DOTA or Star Craft. RNG plays a heavy role in it. In this particular matchup, it plays a heavier role than most.
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Deathblow.
[View all] , Antipaladin (Anonymous), Fri 11-Oct-13 12:33 AM
RE: Deathblow.,
Daevryn,
11-Oct-13 05:10 PM, #33
Why do you say staff instead of spear?,
That Warrior (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 05:49 PM, #34
Never mind. I know why. Nt,
That Warrior (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 05:54 PM, #36
As much as I hate deathblow,
Artificial,
11-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #35
I'm confused...didn't you have like a 85 ratio v. villa...,
TMNS,
02-Nov-13 12:06 AM, #82
Because it is always just gambling,
Artificial,
02-Nov-13 01:15 AM, #83
See here I think you are overblowing things.,
TMNS,
02-Nov-13 04:44 AM, #84
You need to give me more than wishy washy testimony,
Artificial,
03-Nov-13 04:04 PM, #85
If your AP is dying to ragers I feel bad for you son.,
vargal,
03-Nov-13 04:22 PM, #86
Gotcha. I figured it had to with ego but thanks for cla...,
TMNS,
03-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #87
What is this I don't even...,
Artificial,
03-Nov-13 09:26 PM, #88
Hilarious. ,
TMNS,
04-Nov-13 12:05 AM, #89
RE: What is this I don't even...,
Tsunami,
05-Nov-13 09:13 AM, #91
It's not ego.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 02:12 PM, #92
Think about what you just said.,
Homard,
05-Nov-13 03:27 PM, #93
The time requirements just aren't comparable.,
vargal,
05-Nov-13 04:47 PM, #94
RE: The time requirements just aren't comparable.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 11:08 PM, #96
You continue to miss the point.,
Homard,
06-Nov-13 12:34 PM, #100
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 01:00 PM, #102
Let's look at the top 10 PK characters of all time (who...,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #105
What's your point?,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 03:52 PM, #106
I'll explain,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 04:23 PM, #109
As if those characters happened in a vacuum. lol nt,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 04:43 PM, #110
RE: I'll explain,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #112
When I first began looking at that list,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 05:56 PM, #117
Cleave spam is a valid way to deal with a voker...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 06:13 PM, #119
ABS allows for the same thing, DC.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 05:30 PM, #114
ABS is another mechanic I don't like and have never lik...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #116
Just an idea: compare Twist's ragers and non-ragers. nt,
Quixotic,
06-Nov-13 06:35 PM, #120
Survivability is way too high for non-ragers?,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 06:47 PM, #121
That's a list of great PKers. Good eye.,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 04:03 PM, #107
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Daevryn,
06-Nov-13 06:07 PM, #118
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 11:21 PM, #126
RE: Think about what you just said.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 11:06 PM, #95
Anyone can buy a merc.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 02:09 AM, #97
RE: Anyone can buy a merc.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 02:12 AM, #98
So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 12:13 PM, #99
RE: So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 12:47 PM, #101
unprepped melee clas is fine against village,
laxman,
06-Nov-13 01:24 PM, #103
RE: unprepped melee clas is fine against village,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #104
Again, you are exhaggerating.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 04:10 PM, #108
I feel like...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:05 PM, #111
Alright then.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #113
RE: Alright then.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #115
RE: Alright then.,
lasentia,
06-Nov-13 08:44 PM, #123
RE: Alright then.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 11:13 PM, #125
I would take spellbane over anything else. nt,
Artificial,
06-Nov-13 08:35 PM, #122
I don't disagree. That said...,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 10:51 PM, #124
Spellbane.,
Artificial,
06-Nov-13 11:50 PM, #127
Not to argue with Nepenthe.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:24 PM, #39
And you can see this in the log...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:40 PM, #40
RE: And you can see this in the log...,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-13 03:02 PM, #52
So basically...,
Tsunami,
13-Oct-13 09:57 PM, #53
It's pretty analgous to bull fighting.,
vargal,
14-Oct-13 03:46 AM, #54
It does...,
Tsunami,
14-Oct-13 09:05 AM, #55
That actually looks fairly par for the course,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #41
RE: That actually looks fairly par for the course,
Daevryn,
12-Oct-13 08:48 AM, #42
This is a semi-daily occurence for Berserkers.,
Scrimbul,
12-Oct-13 09:38 AM, #43
I don't know about deathblow, but that was pretty norma...,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 02:17 PM, #45
Comparing orcs to APs, orcs do much better in melee aga...,
Quixotic,
12-Oct-13 03:37 PM, #46
Orcs get dodge nt.,
Artificial,
12-Oct-13 03:47 PM, #47
This. A-P's have the same melee defenses as conjurer, s...,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 05:07 PM, #48
APs are generally fine.,
Eskelian,
12-Oct-13 05:17 PM, #49
Actually what orcs have is the bully skill,
laxman,
12-Oct-13 08:15 PM, #51
I have to disagree with this.,
Vladamir,
05-Nov-13 07:22 AM, #90
If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
-flso,
11-Oct-13 09:31 AM, #8
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 10:32 AM, #11
If it's a fight you can't win, running away sounds very...,
Vonzamir,
11-Oct-13 01:00 PM, #28
Change level of DB to same level DA tracks barrier. ,
Temporal Dawn (Anonymous),
12-Oct-13 11:29 AM, #44
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Graatch,
22-Oct-13 01:15 PM, #58
You used a lot of words to say nothing.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
22-Oct-13 03:51 PM, #59
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Sarien,
23-Oct-13 03:19 PM, #61
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Daevryn,
23-Oct-13 04:38 PM, #62
I think one misconception is hilarious here...,
TMNS,
23-Oct-13 04:53 PM, #63
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Eskelian,
23-Oct-13 08:01 PM, #64
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Daevryn,
23-Oct-13 08:26 PM, #65
That's fair, considering no other class or cabal has to...,
Perpetual_Noob,
24-Oct-13 07:46 AM, #66
Yeah you're a better man than I.,
Eskelian,
29-Oct-13 08:00 PM, #69
RE: That's fair, considering no other class or cabal ha...,
Daevryn,
30-Oct-13 06:55 AM, #70
I have no dog in this fight...,
Perpetual_Noob,
30-Oct-13 11:14 PM, #71
Playing Battle will help your perspective.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 12:12 AM, #72
To be fair...,
Eskelian,
31-Oct-13 09:21 AM, #73
Yeah but...,
Tsunami,
31-Oct-13 09:23 AM, #74
I care.,
Murphy,
31-Oct-13 09:58 AM, #75
Do you?,
Tsunami,
31-Oct-13 10:44 AM, #76
You're missing the point.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 10:49 AM, #77
RE: You're missing the point.,
Eskelian,
31-Oct-13 11:03 AM, #78
Begging for sanc? Good god no.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 11:10 AM, #79
RE: I have no dog in this fight...,
Daevryn,
31-Oct-13 10:12 PM, #80
All true.,
Perpetual_Noob,
01-Nov-13 05:48 PM, #81
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Sarien,
24-Oct-13 08:18 AM, #67
The power scales differ for the two though,
lasentia,
24-Oct-13 10:23 AM, #68
DB is balanced because...,
Ruk (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 08:24 AM, #5
Just want to mention...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 09:59 AM, #9
Also...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 10:01 AM, #10
Playing my share of RBW and Anti Paladins...,
Knac,
22-Oct-13 05:22 PM, #60
use your skills,
Ruk (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:08 AM, #12
Except,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:13 AM, #13
Counter RNG,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 11:18 AM, #14
RE: Counter RNG,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:33 AM, #15
Further...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:55 AM, #16
Hey,,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:09 PM, #18
RE: Further...,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:13 PM, #20
Levels (off topic).,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:16 PM, #21
Not melee.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:19 PM, #22
Pretty sure you're wrong.,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:36 PM, #26
Melee, not skills.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:49 PM, #27
your argument is plausible.,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 01:02 PM, #29
RE: Pretty sure you're wrong.,
Daevryn,
11-Oct-13 05:02 PM, #32
Any chance this could get changed?,
Artificial,
11-Oct-13 06:22 PM, #37
This. ,
Zephon,
12-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #50
Impossible.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 07:47 PM, #38
RE: Impossible.,
Sarien,
18-Oct-13 01:54 PM, #56
RE: Counter RNG,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:05 PM #17
This is a good response.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:12 PM, #19
Yep,,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:25 PM, #23
There's ways to deal with that.,
Eskelian,
11-Oct-13 01:26 PM, #30
Assuming you're the guy who always posts with this tone,
KaguMaru,
11-Oct-13 12:30 PM, #24
I don't think that's a very good argument,
Vortex Magus,
11-Oct-13 04:04 PM, #31
Thing is, 2-round kills can happen with and without DB.,
Murphy,
11-Oct-13 02:49 AM, #1
With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 03:15 AM, #2
RE: With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 08:40 AM, #6
Vanguard would help a lot too,
lasentia,
11-Oct-13 08:43 AM, #7
Damage reduction is multiplicative, not additive,
KaguMaru,
11-Oct-13 12:32 PM, #25
I've never said deathblow is OP, but I've never liked i...,
Theerkla,
11-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #3
Gotta play a berserker, maybe I'll finally break 20 pks...,
Murphy,
11-Oct-13 05:47 AM, #4
Berserkers in general,
SideStrider,
20-Oct-13 10:43 PM, #57
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