Eskelian | Wed 06-Nov-13 05:40 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#52800, "RE: Alright then."
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See this is where we get into the root of the matter.
"...If you argue that deathblow introduces too much randomness, than you have to admit that there the other side of the coin, such as when deathblow doesn't even FIRE for 4-6 rounds in a fight where one deathblow could win it. They are two sides of the coin.'
I agree. In a fight where deathblow refuses to fire at all, the RBW is essentially gimped. I dislike the mechanic on both sides of the coin. I'm not anti-rager ...I do play ragers occasionally. This doesn't refute my "it's a bad mechanic" argument either, it just reinforces it.
"On the same token, I don't see how gathering preps shows any sort of skill whatsoever other than the ability to memorize prep locations. How is the fact that if I know where all three of my ABS wands are (and can get them easily enough in certain lucky situations) I am inherently going to be "tougher" than someone who can't find them? Is that an indication of skill whatsoever?"
Nope. I don't like ABS or prep gathering either and I don't equate them with skill. A better example is someone recognizes your mainhand is cursed, your offhand isn't and you're a sword spec - so he offhands you and grabs the weapon...now theoretically he should kick your ass but boom boom, double deathblow punches and you die. Skill, to me, means you're doing something in the fight to try to tip it in your favor besides "gank someone down", "zap zap zap lash" or "pincer;!;!;!". You want an example of a great skill vs skill matchup - uncaballed warrior vs uncaballed assassin. That's a great, balanced fight and no one is winning that fight usually by just bash spamming in a vacuum.
"I can argue a billion other points where luck comes into play..."
Luck by itself usually doesn't lead to death. Assassinate can be countered, cleave/PWK can be countered, rot can be countered. All of those are arguably horrible mechanics, but at least they have common counters that are consistently effective that don't require you to waste your time.
"Sure I've won fights with deathblow I had no reason to win, but I've also lost fights that I would have won or survived 100% of the time if I could have used magic."
I'm not disagreeing with you. Like the problem is, you're trying to defend deathblow like if it was changed, it'd just get replaced with 'nothing at all'. I'd imagine if you tweaked deathblow it'd be along the lines of giving a mechanic that was equitable to both the villager and the enemy.
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Deathblow.
[View all] , Antipaladin (Anonymous), Fri 11-Oct-13 12:33 AM
RE: Deathblow.,
Daevryn,
11-Oct-13 05:10 PM, #33
Why do you say staff instead of spear?,
That Warrior (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 05:49 PM, #34
Never mind. I know why. Nt,
That Warrior (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 05:54 PM, #36
As much as I hate deathblow,
Artificial,
11-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #35
I'm confused...didn't you have like a 85 ratio v. villa...,
TMNS,
02-Nov-13 12:06 AM, #82
Because it is always just gambling,
Artificial,
02-Nov-13 01:15 AM, #83
See here I think you are overblowing things.,
TMNS,
02-Nov-13 04:44 AM, #84
You need to give me more than wishy washy testimony,
Artificial,
03-Nov-13 04:04 PM, #85
If your AP is dying to ragers I feel bad for you son.,
vargal,
03-Nov-13 04:22 PM, #86
Gotcha. I figured it had to with ego but thanks for cla...,
TMNS,
03-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #87
What is this I don't even...,
Artificial,
03-Nov-13 09:26 PM, #88
Hilarious. ,
TMNS,
04-Nov-13 12:05 AM, #89
RE: What is this I don't even...,
Tsunami,
05-Nov-13 09:13 AM, #91
It's not ego.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 02:12 PM, #92
Think about what you just said.,
Homard,
05-Nov-13 03:27 PM, #93
The time requirements just aren't comparable.,
vargal,
05-Nov-13 04:47 PM, #94
RE: The time requirements just aren't comparable.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 11:08 PM, #96
You continue to miss the point.,
Homard,
06-Nov-13 12:34 PM, #100
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 01:00 PM, #102
Let's look at the top 10 PK characters of all time (who...,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #105
What's your point?,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 03:52 PM, #106
I'll explain,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 04:23 PM, #109
As if those characters happened in a vacuum. lol nt,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 04:43 PM, #110
RE: I'll explain,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #112
When I first began looking at that list,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 05:56 PM, #117
Cleave spam is a valid way to deal with a voker...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 06:13 PM, #119
ABS allows for the same thing, DC.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 05:30 PM, #114
ABS is another mechanic I don't like and have never lik...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #116
Just an idea: compare Twist's ragers and non-ragers. nt,
Quixotic,
06-Nov-13 06:35 PM, #120
Survivability is way too high for non-ragers?,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 06:47 PM, #121
That's a list of great PKers. Good eye.,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 04:03 PM, #107
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Daevryn,
06-Nov-13 06:07 PM, #118
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 11:21 PM, #126
RE: Think about what you just said.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 11:06 PM, #95
Anyone can buy a merc.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 02:09 AM, #97
RE: Anyone can buy a merc.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 02:12 AM, #98
So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 12:13 PM, #99
RE: So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 12:47 PM, #101
unprepped melee clas is fine against village,
laxman,
06-Nov-13 01:24 PM, #103
RE: unprepped melee clas is fine against village,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #104
Again, you are exhaggerating.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 04:10 PM, #108
I feel like...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:05 PM, #111
Alright then.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #113
RE: Alright then.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:40 PM #115
RE: Alright then.,
lasentia,
06-Nov-13 08:44 PM, #123
RE: Alright then.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 11:13 PM, #125
I would take spellbane over anything else. nt,
Artificial,
06-Nov-13 08:35 PM, #122
I don't disagree. That said...,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 10:51 PM, #124
Spellbane.,
Artificial,
06-Nov-13 11:50 PM, #127
Not to argue with Nepenthe.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:24 PM, #39
And you can see this in the log...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:40 PM, #40
RE: And you can see this in the log...,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-13 03:02 PM, #52
So basically...,
Tsunami,
13-Oct-13 09:57 PM, #53
It's pretty analgous to bull fighting.,
vargal,
14-Oct-13 03:46 AM, #54
It does...,
Tsunami,
14-Oct-13 09:05 AM, #55
That actually looks fairly par for the course,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #41
RE: That actually looks fairly par for the course,
Daevryn,
12-Oct-13 08:48 AM, #42
This is a semi-daily occurence for Berserkers.,
Scrimbul,
12-Oct-13 09:38 AM, #43
I don't know about deathblow, but that was pretty norma...,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 02:17 PM, #45
Comparing orcs to APs, orcs do much better in melee aga...,
Quixotic,
12-Oct-13 03:37 PM, #46
Orcs get dodge nt.,
Artificial,
12-Oct-13 03:47 PM, #47
This. A-P's have the same melee defenses as conjurer, s...,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 05:07 PM, #48
APs are generally fine.,
Eskelian,
12-Oct-13 05:17 PM, #49
Actually what orcs have is the bully skill,
laxman,
12-Oct-13 08:15 PM, #51
I have to disagree with this.,
Vladamir,
05-Nov-13 07:22 AM, #90
If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
-flso,
11-Oct-13 09:31 AM, #8
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 10:32 AM, #11
If it's a fight you can't win, running away sounds very...,
Vonzamir,
11-Oct-13 01:00 PM, #28
Change level of DB to same level DA tracks barrier. ,
Temporal Dawn (Anonymous),
12-Oct-13 11:29 AM, #44
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Graatch,
22-Oct-13 01:15 PM, #58
You used a lot of words to say nothing.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
22-Oct-13 03:51 PM, #59
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Sarien,
23-Oct-13 03:19 PM, #61
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Daevryn,
23-Oct-13 04:38 PM, #62
I think one misconception is hilarious here...,
TMNS,
23-Oct-13 04:53 PM, #63
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Eskelian,
23-Oct-13 08:01 PM, #64
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Daevryn,
23-Oct-13 08:26 PM, #65
That's fair, considering no other class or cabal has to...,
Perpetual_Noob,
24-Oct-13 07:46 AM, #66
Yeah you're a better man than I.,
Eskelian,
29-Oct-13 08:00 PM, #69
RE: That's fair, considering no other class or cabal ha...,
Daevryn,
30-Oct-13 06:55 AM, #70
I have no dog in this fight...,
Perpetual_Noob,
30-Oct-13 11:14 PM, #71
Playing Battle will help your perspective.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 12:12 AM, #72
To be fair...,
Eskelian,
31-Oct-13 09:21 AM, #73
Yeah but...,
Tsunami,
31-Oct-13 09:23 AM, #74
I care.,
Murphy,
31-Oct-13 09:58 AM, #75
Do you?,
Tsunami,
31-Oct-13 10:44 AM, #76
You're missing the point.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 10:49 AM, #77
RE: You're missing the point.,
Eskelian,
31-Oct-13 11:03 AM, #78
Begging for sanc? Good god no.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 11:10 AM, #79
RE: I have no dog in this fight...,
Daevryn,
31-Oct-13 10:12 PM, #80
All true.,
Perpetual_Noob,
01-Nov-13 05:48 PM, #81
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Sarien,
24-Oct-13 08:18 AM, #67
The power scales differ for the two though,
lasentia,
24-Oct-13 10:23 AM, #68
DB is balanced because...,
Ruk (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 08:24 AM, #5
Just want to mention...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 09:59 AM, #9
Also...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 10:01 AM, #10
Playing my share of RBW and Anti Paladins...,
Knac,
22-Oct-13 05:22 PM, #60
use your skills,
Ruk (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:08 AM, #12
Except,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:13 AM, #13
Counter RNG,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 11:18 AM, #14
RE: Counter RNG,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:33 AM, #15
Further...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:55 AM, #16
Hey,,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:09 PM, #18
RE: Further...,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:13 PM, #20
Levels (off topic).,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:16 PM, #21
Not melee.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:19 PM, #22
Pretty sure you're wrong.,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:36 PM, #26
Melee, not skills.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:49 PM, #27
your argument is plausible.,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 01:02 PM, #29
RE: Pretty sure you're wrong.,
Daevryn,
11-Oct-13 05:02 PM, #32
Any chance this could get changed?,
Artificial,
11-Oct-13 06:22 PM, #37
This. ,
Zephon,
12-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #50
Impossible.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 07:47 PM, #38
RE: Impossible.,
Sarien,
18-Oct-13 01:54 PM, #56
RE: Counter RNG,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:05 PM, #17
This is a good response.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:12 PM, #19
Yep,,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:25 PM, #23
There's ways to deal with that.,
Eskelian,
11-Oct-13 01:26 PM, #30
Assuming you're the guy who always posts with this tone,
KaguMaru,
11-Oct-13 12:30 PM, #24
I don't think that's a very good argument,
Vortex Magus,
11-Oct-13 04:04 PM, #31
Thing is, 2-round kills can happen with and without DB.,
Murphy,
11-Oct-13 02:49 AM, #1
With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 03:15 AM, #2
RE: With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 08:40 AM, #6
Vanguard would help a lot too,
lasentia,
11-Oct-13 08:43 AM, #7
Damage reduction is multiplicative, not additive,
KaguMaru,
11-Oct-13 12:32 PM, #25
I've never said deathblow is OP, but I've never liked i...,
Theerkla,
11-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #3
Gotta play a berserker, maybe I'll finally break 20 pks...,
Murphy,
11-Oct-13 05:47 AM, #4
Berserkers in general,
SideStrider,
20-Oct-13 10:43 PM, #57
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