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EskelianWed 06-Nov-13 05:40 PM
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#52800, "RE: Alright then."


          

See this is where we get into the root of the matter.

"...If you argue that deathblow introduces too much randomness, than you have to admit that there the other side of the coin, such as when deathblow doesn't even FIRE for 4-6 rounds in a fight where one deathblow could win it. They are two sides of the coin.'

I agree. In a fight where deathblow refuses to fire at all, the RBW is essentially gimped. I dislike the mechanic on both sides of the coin. I'm not anti-rager ...I do play ragers occasionally. This doesn't refute my "it's a bad mechanic" argument either, it just reinforces it.

"On the same token, I don't see how gathering preps shows any sort of skill whatsoever other than the ability to memorize prep locations. How is the fact that if I know where all three of my ABS wands are (and can get them easily enough in certain lucky situations) I am inherently going to be "tougher" than someone who can't find them? Is that an indication of skill whatsoever?"

Nope. I don't like ABS or prep gathering either and I don't equate them with skill. A better example is someone recognizes your mainhand is cursed, your offhand isn't and you're a sword spec - so he offhands you and grabs the weapon...now theoretically he should kick your ass but boom boom, double deathblow punches and you die. Skill, to me, means you're doing something in the fight to try to tip it in your favor besides "gank someone down", "zap zap zap lash" or "pincer;!;!;!". You want an example of a great skill vs skill matchup - uncaballed warrior vs uncaballed assassin. That's a great, balanced fight and no one is winning that fight usually by just bash spamming in a vacuum.

"I can argue a billion other points where luck comes into play..."

Luck by itself usually doesn't lead to death. Assassinate can be countered, cleave/PWK can be countered, rot can be countered. All of those are arguably horrible mechanics, but at least they have common counters that are consistently effective that don't require you to waste your time.

"Sure I've won fights with deathblow I had no reason to win, but I've also lost fights that I would have won or survived 100% of the time if I could have used magic."

I'm not disagreeing with you. Like the problem is, you're trying to defend deathblow like if it was changed, it'd just get replaced with 'nothing at all'. I'd imagine if you tweaked deathblow it'd be along the lines of giving a mechanic that was equitable to both the villager and the enemy.

  

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HOT TopicDeathblow. [View all] , Antipaladin (Anonymous), Fri 11-Oct-13 12:33 AM
Reply RE: Deathblow., Daevryn, 11-Oct-13 05:10 PM, #33
Reply Why do you say staff instead of spear?, That Warrior (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 05:49 PM, #34
Reply Never mind. I know why. Nt, That Warrior (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 05:54 PM, #36
Reply As much as I hate deathblow, Artificial, 11-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #35
Reply I'm confused...didn't you have like a 85 ratio v. villa..., TMNS, 02-Nov-13 12:06 AM, #82
     Reply Because it is always just gambling, Artificial, 02-Nov-13 01:15 AM, #83
          Reply See here I think you are overblowing things., TMNS, 02-Nov-13 04:44 AM, #84
               Reply You need to give me more than wishy washy testimony, Artificial, 03-Nov-13 04:04 PM, #85
                    Reply If your AP is dying to ragers I feel bad for you son., vargal, 03-Nov-13 04:22 PM, #86
                    Reply Gotcha. I figured it had to with ego but thanks for cla..., TMNS, 03-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #87
                         Reply What is this I don't even..., Artificial, 03-Nov-13 09:26 PM, #88
                         Reply Hilarious. , TMNS, 04-Nov-13 12:05 AM, #89
                         Reply RE: What is this I don't even..., Tsunami, 05-Nov-13 09:13 AM, #91
                         Reply It's not ego., Eskelian, 05-Nov-13 02:12 PM, #92
                              Reply Think about what you just said., Homard, 05-Nov-13 03:27 PM, #93
                                   Reply The time requirements just aren't comparable., vargal, 05-Nov-13 04:47 PM, #94
                                   Reply RE: The time requirements just aren't comparable., Eskelian, 05-Nov-13 11:08 PM, #96
                                        Reply You continue to miss the point., Homard, 06-Nov-13 12:34 PM, #100
                                             Reply RE: You continue to miss the point., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 01:00 PM, #102
                                                  Reply Let's look at the top 10 PK characters of all time (who..., TJHuron, 06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #105
                                                  Reply What's your point?, Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 03:52 PM, #106
                                                  Reply I'll explain, TJHuron, 06-Nov-13 04:23 PM, #109
                                                  Reply As if those characters happened in a vacuum. lol nt, vargal, 06-Nov-13 04:43 PM, #110
                                                  Reply RE: I'll explain, Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #112
                                                       Reply When I first began looking at that list, TJHuron, 06-Nov-13 05:56 PM, #117
                                                            Reply Cleave spam is a valid way to deal with a voker..., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 06:13 PM, #119
                                                  Reply ABS allows for the same thing, DC., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 05:30 PM, #114
                                                  Reply ABS is another mechanic I don't like and have never lik..., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #116
                                                  Reply Just an idea: compare Twist's ragers and non-ragers. nt, Quixotic, 06-Nov-13 06:35 PM, #120
                                                       Reply Survivability is way too high for non-ragers?, vargal, 06-Nov-13 06:47 PM, #121
                                                  Reply That's a list of great PKers. Good eye., vargal, 06-Nov-13 04:03 PM, #107
                                                  Reply RE: You continue to miss the point., Daevryn, 06-Nov-13 06:07 PM, #118
                                                       Reply RE: You continue to miss the point., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 11:21 PM, #126
                                   Reply RE: Think about what you just said., Eskelian, 05-Nov-13 11:06 PM, #95
                                        Reply Anyone can buy a merc., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 02:09 AM, #97
                                             Reply RE: Anyone can buy a merc., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 02:12 AM, #98
                                                  Reply So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 12:13 PM, #99
                                                       Reply RE: So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 12:47 PM, #101
                                                       Reply unprepped melee clas is fine against village, laxman, 06-Nov-13 01:24 PM, #103
                                                            Reply RE: unprepped melee clas is fine against village, Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #104
                                                                 Reply Again, you are exhaggerating., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 04:10 PM, #108
                                                                      Reply I feel like..., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 05:05 PM, #111
                                                                           Reply Alright then., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #113
                                                                                Reply RE: Alright then., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 05:40 PM #115
                                                                                Reply RE: Alright then., lasentia, 06-Nov-13 08:44 PM, #123
                                                                                Reply RE: Alright then., Eskelian, 06-Nov-13 11:13 PM, #125
                                                                                Reply I would take spellbane over anything else. nt, Artificial, 06-Nov-13 08:35 PM, #122
                                                                                Reply I don't disagree. That said..., TMNS, 06-Nov-13 10:51 PM, #124
                                                                                Reply Spellbane., Artificial, 06-Nov-13 11:50 PM, #127
Reply Not to argue with Nepenthe., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:24 PM, #39
Reply And you can see this in the log..., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:40 PM, #40
     Reply RE: And you can see this in the log..., Daevryn, 13-Oct-13 03:02 PM, #52
          Reply So basically..., Tsunami, 13-Oct-13 09:57 PM, #53
               Reply It's pretty analgous to bull fighting., vargal, 14-Oct-13 03:46 AM, #54
                    Reply It does..., Tsunami, 14-Oct-13 09:05 AM, #55
Reply That actually looks fairly par for the course, KaguMaru, 12-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #41
     Reply RE: That actually looks fairly par for the course, Daevryn, 12-Oct-13 08:48 AM, #42
          Reply This is a semi-daily occurence for Berserkers., Scrimbul, 12-Oct-13 09:38 AM, #43
          Reply I don't know about deathblow, but that was pretty norma..., KaguMaru, 12-Oct-13 02:17 PM, #45
          Reply Comparing orcs to APs, orcs do much better in melee aga..., Quixotic, 12-Oct-13 03:37 PM, #46
               Reply Orcs get dodge nt., Artificial, 12-Oct-13 03:47 PM, #47
                    Reply This. A-P's have the same melee defenses as conjurer, s..., KaguMaru, 12-Oct-13 05:07 PM, #48
                    Reply APs are generally fine., Eskelian, 12-Oct-13 05:17 PM, #49
                    Reply Actually what orcs have is the bully skill, laxman, 12-Oct-13 08:15 PM, #51
          Reply I have to disagree with this., Vladamir, 05-Nov-13 07:22 AM, #90
Reply If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, -flso, 11-Oct-13 09:31 AM, #8
Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 10:32 AM, #11
     Reply If it's a fight you can't win, running away sounds very..., Vonzamir, 11-Oct-13 01:00 PM, #28
     Reply Change level of DB to same level DA tracks barrier. , Temporal Dawn (Anonymous), 12-Oct-13 11:29 AM, #44
     Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Graatch, 22-Oct-13 01:15 PM, #58
          Reply You used a lot of words to say nothing., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 22-Oct-13 03:51 PM, #59
          Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Sarien, 23-Oct-13 03:19 PM, #61
               Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Daevryn, 23-Oct-13 04:38 PM, #62
                    Reply I think one misconception is hilarious here..., TMNS, 23-Oct-13 04:53 PM, #63
                    Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Eskelian, 23-Oct-13 08:01 PM, #64
                    Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Daevryn, 23-Oct-13 08:26 PM, #65
                         Reply That's fair, considering no other class or cabal has to..., Perpetual_Noob, 24-Oct-13 07:46 AM, #66
                              Reply Yeah you're a better man than I., Eskelian, 29-Oct-13 08:00 PM, #69
                              Reply RE: That's fair, considering no other class or cabal ha..., Daevryn, 30-Oct-13 06:55 AM, #70
                                   Reply I have no dog in this fight..., Perpetual_Noob, 30-Oct-13 11:14 PM, #71
                                        Reply Playing Battle will help your perspective., Homard, 31-Oct-13 12:12 AM, #72
                                        Reply To be fair..., Eskelian, 31-Oct-13 09:21 AM, #73
                                             Reply Yeah but..., Tsunami, 31-Oct-13 09:23 AM, #74
                                             Reply I care., Murphy, 31-Oct-13 09:58 AM, #75
                                                  Reply Do you?, Tsunami, 31-Oct-13 10:44 AM, #76
                                             Reply You're missing the point., Homard, 31-Oct-13 10:49 AM, #77
                                                  Reply RE: You're missing the point., Eskelian, 31-Oct-13 11:03 AM, #78
                                                       Reply Begging for sanc? Good god no., Homard, 31-Oct-13 11:10 AM, #79
                                        Reply RE: I have no dog in this fight..., Daevryn, 31-Oct-13 10:12 PM, #80
                                             Reply All true., Perpetual_Noob, 01-Nov-13 05:48 PM, #81
                    Reply RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs, Sarien, 24-Oct-13 08:18 AM, #67
                         Reply The power scales differ for the two though, lasentia, 24-Oct-13 10:23 AM, #68
Reply DB is balanced because..., Ruk (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 08:24 AM, #5
Reply Just want to mention..., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 09:59 AM, #9
Reply Also..., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 10:01 AM, #10
Reply Playing my share of RBW and Anti Paladins..., Knac, 22-Oct-13 05:22 PM, #60
Reply use your skills, Ruk (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:08 AM, #12
     Reply Except, Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:13 AM, #13
     Reply Counter RNG, Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 11:18 AM, #14
          Reply RE: Counter RNG, Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:33 AM, #15
               Reply Further..., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 11:55 AM, #16
               Reply Hey,, Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 12:09 PM, #18
               Reply RE: Further..., Iztatsin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 12:13 PM, #20
                    Reply Levels (off topic)., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 12:16 PM, #21
                    Reply Not melee., Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 12:19 PM, #22
                         Reply Pretty sure you're wrong., Iztatsin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 12:36 PM, #26
                              Reply Melee, not skills., Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 12:49 PM, #27
                              Reply your argument is plausible., Iztatsin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 01:02 PM, #29
                              Reply RE: Pretty sure you're wrong., Daevryn, 11-Oct-13 05:02 PM, #32
                                   Reply Any chance this could get changed?, Artificial, 11-Oct-13 06:22 PM, #37
                                   Reply This. , Zephon, 12-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #50
                                   Reply Impossible., Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 07:47 PM, #38
                                        Reply RE: Impossible., Sarien, 18-Oct-13 01:54 PM, #56
               Reply RE: Counter RNG, Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 12:05 PM, #17
                    Reply This is a good response., Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 12:12 PM, #19
                         Reply Yep,, Tsunami, 11-Oct-13 12:25 PM, #23
                              Reply There's ways to deal with that., Eskelian, 11-Oct-13 01:26 PM, #30
     Reply Assuming you're the guy who always posts with this tone, KaguMaru, 11-Oct-13 12:30 PM, #24
Reply I don't think that's a very good argument, Vortex Magus, 11-Oct-13 04:04 PM, #31
Reply Thing is, 2-round kills can happen with and without DB., Murphy, 11-Oct-13 02:49 AM, #1
     Reply With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t, Antipaladin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 03:15 AM, #2
     Reply RE: With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t, Iztatsin (Anonymous), 11-Oct-13 08:40 AM, #6
     Reply Vanguard would help a lot too, lasentia, 11-Oct-13 08:43 AM, #7
     Reply Damage reduction is multiplicative, not additive, KaguMaru, 11-Oct-13 12:32 PM, #25
     Reply I've never said deathblow is OP, but I've never liked i..., Theerkla, 11-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #3
          Reply Gotta play a berserker, maybe I'll finally break 20 pks..., Murphy, 11-Oct-13 05:47 AM, #4
               Reply Berserkers in general, SideStrider, 20-Oct-13 10:43 PM, #57
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