TJHuron | Wed 06-Nov-13 05:56 PM |
Member since 28th Nov 2007
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#52802, "When I first began looking at that list"
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I was looking at aiding Homard refute your claims that the only way to deal with deathblow was a hyper-defensive character and some of the other things you pointed out like a Scion ABS transmuter.
That's when I noticed it wasn't just a few, or even most on that list went to the PK feast and had second and third helpings of Battleragers without fear of indigestion. It was all of them. And different types of builds, too. And if you continue to look down the list, the trend continues. I don't really have the time or desire to go through the second best group, or middle of the pack pkers, but, I'd wager we'd find some more of the same.
You can call all those characters hyper-defensive, or ultra conservative or they have ABS or whatever you want. The fact is, all of those things are effective ways of dealing with deathblow and there are more.
You know it's funny. The reason I like Villagers is because they require very little time investment into prepping. Ironically, this is the same reason you are arguing against them over. You don't want to spend a lot of time prepping. Maybe we should be having a discussion over prep times instead?
Certainly you are rolling the dice if you choose not to prep before fighting a Villager. But, a Villager isn't the only character build in the game you are rolling the dice by fighting without prepping. Not even close.
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Deathblow.
[View all] , Antipaladin (Anonymous), Fri 11-Oct-13 12:33 AM
RE: Deathblow.,
Daevryn,
11-Oct-13 05:10 PM, #33
Why do you say staff instead of spear?,
That Warrior (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 05:49 PM, #34
Never mind. I know why. Nt,
That Warrior (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 05:54 PM, #36
As much as I hate deathblow,
Artificial,
11-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #35
I'm confused...didn't you have like a 85 ratio v. villa...,
TMNS,
02-Nov-13 12:06 AM, #82
Because it is always just gambling,
Artificial,
02-Nov-13 01:15 AM, #83
See here I think you are overblowing things.,
TMNS,
02-Nov-13 04:44 AM, #84
You need to give me more than wishy washy testimony,
Artificial,
03-Nov-13 04:04 PM, #85
If your AP is dying to ragers I feel bad for you son.,
vargal,
03-Nov-13 04:22 PM, #86
Gotcha. I figured it had to with ego but thanks for cla...,
TMNS,
03-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #87
What is this I don't even...,
Artificial,
03-Nov-13 09:26 PM, #88
Hilarious. ,
TMNS,
04-Nov-13 12:05 AM, #89
RE: What is this I don't even...,
Tsunami,
05-Nov-13 09:13 AM, #91
It's not ego.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 02:12 PM, #92
Think about what you just said.,
Homard,
05-Nov-13 03:27 PM, #93
The time requirements just aren't comparable.,
vargal,
05-Nov-13 04:47 PM, #94
RE: The time requirements just aren't comparable.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 11:08 PM, #96
You continue to miss the point.,
Homard,
06-Nov-13 12:34 PM, #100
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 01:00 PM, #102
Let's look at the top 10 PK characters of all time (who...,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #105
What's your point?,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 03:52 PM, #106
I'll explain,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 04:23 PM, #109
As if those characters happened in a vacuum. lol nt,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 04:43 PM, #110
RE: I'll explain,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #112
When I first began looking at that list,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 05:56 PM #117
Cleave spam is a valid way to deal with a voker...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 06:13 PM, #119
ABS allows for the same thing, DC.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 05:30 PM, #114
ABS is another mechanic I don't like and have never lik...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #116
Just an idea: compare Twist's ragers and non-ragers. nt,
Quixotic,
06-Nov-13 06:35 PM, #120
Survivability is way too high for non-ragers?,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 06:47 PM, #121
That's a list of great PKers. Good eye.,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 04:03 PM, #107
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Daevryn,
06-Nov-13 06:07 PM, #118
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 11:21 PM, #126
RE: Think about what you just said.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 11:06 PM, #95
Anyone can buy a merc.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 02:09 AM, #97
RE: Anyone can buy a merc.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 02:12 AM, #98
So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 12:13 PM, #99
RE: So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 12:47 PM, #101
unprepped melee clas is fine against village,
laxman,
06-Nov-13 01:24 PM, #103
RE: unprepped melee clas is fine against village,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #104
Again, you are exhaggerating.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 04:10 PM, #108
I feel like...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:05 PM, #111
Alright then.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #113
RE: Alright then.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #115
RE: Alright then.,
lasentia,
06-Nov-13 08:44 PM, #123
RE: Alright then.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 11:13 PM, #125
I would take spellbane over anything else. nt,
Artificial,
06-Nov-13 08:35 PM, #122
I don't disagree. That said...,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 10:51 PM, #124
Spellbane.,
Artificial,
06-Nov-13 11:50 PM, #127
Not to argue with Nepenthe.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:24 PM, #39
And you can see this in the log...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:40 PM, #40
RE: And you can see this in the log...,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-13 03:02 PM, #52
So basically...,
Tsunami,
13-Oct-13 09:57 PM, #53
It's pretty analgous to bull fighting.,
vargal,
14-Oct-13 03:46 AM, #54
It does...,
Tsunami,
14-Oct-13 09:05 AM, #55
That actually looks fairly par for the course,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #41
RE: That actually looks fairly par for the course,
Daevryn,
12-Oct-13 08:48 AM, #42
This is a semi-daily occurence for Berserkers.,
Scrimbul,
12-Oct-13 09:38 AM, #43
I don't know about deathblow, but that was pretty norma...,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 02:17 PM, #45
Comparing orcs to APs, orcs do much better in melee aga...,
Quixotic,
12-Oct-13 03:37 PM, #46
Orcs get dodge nt.,
Artificial,
12-Oct-13 03:47 PM, #47
This. A-P's have the same melee defenses as conjurer, s...,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 05:07 PM, #48
APs are generally fine.,
Eskelian,
12-Oct-13 05:17 PM, #49
Actually what orcs have is the bully skill,
laxman,
12-Oct-13 08:15 PM, #51
I have to disagree with this.,
Vladamir,
05-Nov-13 07:22 AM, #90
If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
-flso,
11-Oct-13 09:31 AM, #8
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 10:32 AM, #11
If it's a fight you can't win, running away sounds very...,
Vonzamir,
11-Oct-13 01:00 PM, #28
Change level of DB to same level DA tracks barrier. ,
Temporal Dawn (Anonymous),
12-Oct-13 11:29 AM, #44
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Graatch,
22-Oct-13 01:15 PM, #58
You used a lot of words to say nothing.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
22-Oct-13 03:51 PM, #59
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Sarien,
23-Oct-13 03:19 PM, #61
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Daevryn,
23-Oct-13 04:38 PM, #62
I think one misconception is hilarious here...,
TMNS,
23-Oct-13 04:53 PM, #63
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Eskelian,
23-Oct-13 08:01 PM, #64
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Daevryn,
23-Oct-13 08:26 PM, #65
That's fair, considering no other class or cabal has to...,
Perpetual_Noob,
24-Oct-13 07:46 AM, #66
Yeah you're a better man than I.,
Eskelian,
29-Oct-13 08:00 PM, #69
RE: That's fair, considering no other class or cabal ha...,
Daevryn,
30-Oct-13 06:55 AM, #70
I have no dog in this fight...,
Perpetual_Noob,
30-Oct-13 11:14 PM, #71
Playing Battle will help your perspective.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 12:12 AM, #72
To be fair...,
Eskelian,
31-Oct-13 09:21 AM, #73
Yeah but...,
Tsunami,
31-Oct-13 09:23 AM, #74
I care.,
Murphy,
31-Oct-13 09:58 AM, #75
Do you?,
Tsunami,
31-Oct-13 10:44 AM, #76
You're missing the point.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 10:49 AM, #77
RE: You're missing the point.,
Eskelian,
31-Oct-13 11:03 AM, #78
Begging for sanc? Good god no.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 11:10 AM, #79
RE: I have no dog in this fight...,
Daevryn,
31-Oct-13 10:12 PM, #80
All true.,
Perpetual_Noob,
01-Nov-13 05:48 PM, #81
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Sarien,
24-Oct-13 08:18 AM, #67
The power scales differ for the two though,
lasentia,
24-Oct-13 10:23 AM, #68
DB is balanced because...,
Ruk (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 08:24 AM, #5
Just want to mention...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 09:59 AM, #9
Also...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 10:01 AM, #10
Playing my share of RBW and Anti Paladins...,
Knac,
22-Oct-13 05:22 PM, #60
use your skills,
Ruk (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:08 AM, #12
Except,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:13 AM, #13
Counter RNG,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 11:18 AM, #14
RE: Counter RNG,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:33 AM, #15
Further...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:55 AM, #16
Hey,,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:09 PM, #18
RE: Further...,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:13 PM, #20
Levels (off topic).,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:16 PM, #21
Not melee.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:19 PM, #22
Pretty sure you're wrong.,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:36 PM, #26
Melee, not skills.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:49 PM, #27
your argument is plausible.,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 01:02 PM, #29
RE: Pretty sure you're wrong.,
Daevryn,
11-Oct-13 05:02 PM, #32
Any chance this could get changed?,
Artificial,
11-Oct-13 06:22 PM, #37
This. ,
Zephon,
12-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #50
Impossible.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 07:47 PM, #38
RE: Impossible.,
Sarien,
18-Oct-13 01:54 PM, #56
RE: Counter RNG,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:05 PM, #17
This is a good response.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:12 PM, #19
Yep,,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:25 PM, #23
There's ways to deal with that.,
Eskelian,
11-Oct-13 01:26 PM, #30
Assuming you're the guy who always posts with this tone,
KaguMaru,
11-Oct-13 12:30 PM, #24
I don't think that's a very good argument,
Vortex Magus,
11-Oct-13 04:04 PM, #31
Thing is, 2-round kills can happen with and without DB.,
Murphy,
11-Oct-13 02:49 AM, #1
With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 03:15 AM, #2
RE: With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 08:40 AM, #6
Vanguard would help a lot too,
lasentia,
11-Oct-13 08:43 AM, #7
Damage reduction is multiplicative, not additive,
KaguMaru,
11-Oct-13 12:32 PM, #25
I've never said deathblow is OP, but I've never liked i...,
Theerkla,
11-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #3
Gotta play a berserker, maybe I'll finally break 20 pks...,
Murphy,
11-Oct-13 05:47 AM, #4
Berserkers in general,
SideStrider,
20-Oct-13 10:43 PM, #57
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