Sarien | Wed 23-Oct-13 03:19 PM |
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#52561, "RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs"
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"Frankly villagers are generally underpowered at hero. Every single other player can overmatch a villager, if they make use of all the game has to offer. Most people don't want to spend the time or effort to do so, but villagers have a max top end for power which is far lower than anyone else's. My suspicion is you haven't played villagers, particularly berserkers. It's obvious from your statements and play. You need to know more about them, and about your own class, which you used poorly here."
What a total crock of #### bro.
Calling a villager "underpowered" is just meh. While you are right, other classes (even orcs) when prepped to the teeth can pretty much "always" win vs a villager...still calling them underpowered is so stupid...because:
As a villager your entire "investment" in winning is having the head...everything that makes you awesome comes from having the head..and an available small amount of mana....no other time invested...
Wheras "every single other player" that can overmatch a villager has to spend GOBS of time collecting the needed preps/gold for healing/etc to actually WIN that fight
You want DR? call resist
you want haste+damroll+str malediction/bleeding/mv loss invuln? Call blood
You want some really OP ####?? call spellbane
not to even mention deathblow...
Saying that an RBW is not "overpowered" I might agree with...calling them underpowered is pretty stupid... you have some of the best powers in the game, for what is arguably a FRACTION of the investment of time anyone else needs to go through to be as competitive as a rager can be.
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Deathblow.
[View all] , Antipaladin (Anonymous), Fri 11-Oct-13 12:33 AM
RE: Deathblow.,
Daevryn,
11-Oct-13 05:10 PM, #33
Why do you say staff instead of spear?,
That Warrior (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 05:49 PM, #34
Never mind. I know why. Nt,
That Warrior (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 05:54 PM, #36
As much as I hate deathblow,
Artificial,
11-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #35
I'm confused...didn't you have like a 85 ratio v. villa...,
TMNS,
02-Nov-13 12:06 AM, #82
Because it is always just gambling,
Artificial,
02-Nov-13 01:15 AM, #83
See here I think you are overblowing things.,
TMNS,
02-Nov-13 04:44 AM, #84
You need to give me more than wishy washy testimony,
Artificial,
03-Nov-13 04:04 PM, #85
If your AP is dying to ragers I feel bad for you son.,
vargal,
03-Nov-13 04:22 PM, #86
Gotcha. I figured it had to with ego but thanks for cla...,
TMNS,
03-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #87
What is this I don't even...,
Artificial,
03-Nov-13 09:26 PM, #88
Hilarious. ,
TMNS,
04-Nov-13 12:05 AM, #89
RE: What is this I don't even...,
Tsunami,
05-Nov-13 09:13 AM, #91
It's not ego.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 02:12 PM, #92
Think about what you just said.,
Homard,
05-Nov-13 03:27 PM, #93
The time requirements just aren't comparable.,
vargal,
05-Nov-13 04:47 PM, #94
RE: The time requirements just aren't comparable.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 11:08 PM, #96
You continue to miss the point.,
Homard,
06-Nov-13 12:34 PM, #100
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 01:00 PM, #102
Let's look at the top 10 PK characters of all time (who...,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #105
What's your point?,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 03:52 PM, #106
I'll explain,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 04:23 PM, #109
As if those characters happened in a vacuum. lol nt,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 04:43 PM, #110
RE: I'll explain,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #112
When I first began looking at that list,
TJHuron,
06-Nov-13 05:56 PM, #117
Cleave spam is a valid way to deal with a voker...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 06:13 PM, #119
ABS allows for the same thing, DC.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 05:30 PM, #114
ABS is another mechanic I don't like and have never lik...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #116
Just an idea: compare Twist's ragers and non-ragers. nt,
Quixotic,
06-Nov-13 06:35 PM, #120
Survivability is way too high for non-ragers?,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 06:47 PM, #121
That's a list of great PKers. Good eye.,
vargal,
06-Nov-13 04:03 PM, #107
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Daevryn,
06-Nov-13 06:07 PM, #118
RE: You continue to miss the point.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 11:21 PM, #126
RE: Think about what you just said.,
Eskelian,
05-Nov-13 11:06 PM, #95
Anyone can buy a merc.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 02:09 AM, #97
RE: Anyone can buy a merc.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 02:12 AM, #98
So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 12:13 PM, #99
RE: So orc's are OP against villagers. Gotcha.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 12:47 PM, #101
unprepped melee clas is fine against village,
laxman,
06-Nov-13 01:24 PM, #103
RE: unprepped melee clas is fine against village,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 03:34 PM, #104
Again, you are exhaggerating.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 04:10 PM, #108
I feel like...,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:05 PM, #111
Alright then.,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 05:28 PM, #113
RE: Alright then.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 05:40 PM, #115
RE: Alright then.,
lasentia,
06-Nov-13 08:44 PM, #123
RE: Alright then.,
Eskelian,
06-Nov-13 11:13 PM, #125
I would take spellbane over anything else. nt,
Artificial,
06-Nov-13 08:35 PM, #122
I don't disagree. That said...,
TMNS,
06-Nov-13 10:51 PM, #124
Spellbane.,
Artificial,
06-Nov-13 11:50 PM, #127
Not to argue with Nepenthe.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:24 PM, #39
And you can see this in the log...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:40 PM, #40
RE: And you can see this in the log...,
Daevryn,
13-Oct-13 03:02 PM, #52
So basically...,
Tsunami,
13-Oct-13 09:57 PM, #53
It's pretty analgous to bull fighting.,
vargal,
14-Oct-13 03:46 AM, #54
It does...,
Tsunami,
14-Oct-13 09:05 AM, #55
That actually looks fairly par for the course,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #41
RE: That actually looks fairly par for the course,
Daevryn,
12-Oct-13 08:48 AM, #42
This is a semi-daily occurence for Berserkers.,
Scrimbul,
12-Oct-13 09:38 AM, #43
I don't know about deathblow, but that was pretty norma...,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 02:17 PM, #45
Comparing orcs to APs, orcs do much better in melee aga...,
Quixotic,
12-Oct-13 03:37 PM, #46
Orcs get dodge nt.,
Artificial,
12-Oct-13 03:47 PM, #47
This. A-P's have the same melee defenses as conjurer, s...,
KaguMaru,
12-Oct-13 05:07 PM, #48
APs are generally fine.,
Eskelian,
12-Oct-13 05:17 PM, #49
Actually what orcs have is the bully skill,
laxman,
12-Oct-13 08:15 PM, #51
I have to disagree with this.,
Vladamir,
05-Nov-13 07:22 AM, #90
If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
-flso,
11-Oct-13 09:31 AM, #8
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 10:32 AM, #11
If it's a fight you can't win, running away sounds very...,
Vonzamir,
11-Oct-13 01:00 PM, #28
Change level of DB to same level DA tracks barrier. ,
Temporal Dawn (Anonymous),
12-Oct-13 11:29 AM, #44
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Graatch,
22-Oct-13 01:15 PM, #58
You used a lot of words to say nothing.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
22-Oct-13 03:51 PM, #59
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Sarien,
23-Oct-13 03:19 PM #61
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Daevryn,
23-Oct-13 04:38 PM, #62
I think one misconception is hilarious here...,
TMNS,
23-Oct-13 04:53 PM, #63
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Eskelian,
23-Oct-13 08:01 PM, #64
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Daevryn,
23-Oct-13 08:26 PM, #65
That's fair, considering no other class or cabal has to...,
Perpetual_Noob,
24-Oct-13 07:46 AM, #66
Yeah you're a better man than I.,
Eskelian,
29-Oct-13 08:00 PM, #69
RE: That's fair, considering no other class or cabal ha...,
Daevryn,
30-Oct-13 06:55 AM, #70
I have no dog in this fight...,
Perpetual_Noob,
30-Oct-13 11:14 PM, #71
Playing Battle will help your perspective.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 12:12 AM, #72
To be fair...,
Eskelian,
31-Oct-13 09:21 AM, #73
Yeah but...,
Tsunami,
31-Oct-13 09:23 AM, #74
I care.,
Murphy,
31-Oct-13 09:58 AM, #75
Do you?,
Tsunami,
31-Oct-13 10:44 AM, #76
You're missing the point.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 10:49 AM, #77
RE: You're missing the point.,
Eskelian,
31-Oct-13 11:03 AM, #78
Begging for sanc? Good god no.,
Homard,
31-Oct-13 11:10 AM, #79
RE: I have no dog in this fight...,
Daevryn,
31-Oct-13 10:12 PM, #80
All true.,
Perpetual_Noob,
01-Nov-13 05:48 PM, #81
RE: If you are the new guy who keeps playing APs,
Sarien,
24-Oct-13 08:18 AM, #67
The power scales differ for the two though,
lasentia,
24-Oct-13 10:23 AM, #68
DB is balanced because...,
Ruk (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 08:24 AM, #5
Just want to mention...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 09:59 AM, #9
Also...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 10:01 AM, #10
Playing my share of RBW and Anti Paladins...,
Knac,
22-Oct-13 05:22 PM, #60
use your skills,
Ruk (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:08 AM, #12
Except,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:13 AM, #13
Counter RNG,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 11:18 AM, #14
RE: Counter RNG,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:33 AM, #15
Further...,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 11:55 AM, #16
Hey,,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:09 PM, #18
RE: Further...,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:13 PM, #20
Levels (off topic).,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:16 PM, #21
Not melee.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:19 PM, #22
Pretty sure you're wrong.,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:36 PM, #26
Melee, not skills.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:49 PM, #27
your argument is plausible.,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 01:02 PM, #29
RE: Pretty sure you're wrong.,
Daevryn,
11-Oct-13 05:02 PM, #32
Any chance this could get changed?,
Artificial,
11-Oct-13 06:22 PM, #37
This. ,
Zephon,
12-Oct-13 05:51 PM, #50
Impossible.,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 07:47 PM, #38
RE: Impossible.,
Sarien,
18-Oct-13 01:54 PM, #56
RE: Counter RNG,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:05 PM, #17
This is a good response.,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 12:12 PM, #19
Yep,,
Tsunami,
11-Oct-13 12:25 PM, #23
There's ways to deal with that.,
Eskelian,
11-Oct-13 01:26 PM, #30
Assuming you're the guy who always posts with this tone,
KaguMaru,
11-Oct-13 12:30 PM, #24
I don't think that's a very good argument,
Vortex Magus,
11-Oct-13 04:04 PM, #31
Thing is, 2-round kills can happen with and without DB.,
Murphy,
11-Oct-13 02:49 AM, #1
With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t,
Antipaladin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 03:15 AM, #2
RE: With 40% damage reduction and bloodlust? No. n/t,
Iztatsin (Anonymous),
11-Oct-13 08:40 AM, #6
Vanguard would help a lot too,
lasentia,
11-Oct-13 08:43 AM, #7
Damage reduction is multiplicative, not additive,
KaguMaru,
11-Oct-13 12:32 PM, #25
I've never said deathblow is OP, but I've never liked i...,
Theerkla,
11-Oct-13 05:29 AM, #3
Gotta play a berserker, maybe I'll finally break 20 pks...,
Murphy,
11-Oct-13 05:47 AM, #4
Berserkers in general,
SideStrider,
20-Oct-13 10:43 PM, #57
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