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Bring_The_PainMon 21-Jun-04 06:32 PM
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#4890, "RE: I asked myself if this was serious"


          

Let me preface this post with:
I have a great deal of respect for you, Nhiala. As a character (we interacted. A good deal.) and as an OOC forum poster. You're too new of an Imm for me to say in that regard, but I think you'll do great.

Now. The response.

>Distention code may mean that you can no longer operate in the
>manner you're accustomed to. For example, it may mean you'll
>have to become more selective about who you kill.

This is wildly untrue and pure speculation. Speaking as someone that has distened to hero - repeatedly - with different classes the simple truth is:
More than half your skills/spells don't work at all
If you're a caster anything that goes against save vs spell is doomed
You have less than half the hp of anyone you fight

Selective is crap. Some classes, with level-bound primary skills, are doomed. Some classes, without level-bound primary skills, MIGHT be able to win a fight in ideal conditions.

I'm saying this as someone that has distened into hero, repeatedly. I'm saying this as someone who has won (three) fights as a high level 20 something or low 30 something against heros.

Think about a thief with cheapshot. Think about the easiest possible fight for a thief with cheapshot. (unprepped mage without fly, wielding a weapon they don't know). Think about thief with cheapshot catching a human shifter in human form without fly while wielding a sword (does it get any better?). Think about thief with cheapshot missing four trips in a row. Think about thief with cheapshot going splat in one round after shifter shifts. Think about getting a few levels


>Also, 2-3/hour is pretty damn fast. If you hero'd in 100
>hours and kept up that rate for the rest of your character's
>life, that'd be ~900-1350 kills. Considering not many people
>get over 200 in their lifetime, I'd say 0.5/hr is more
>accurate. Let's say that out of the 10 hours you hunt for 8
>and rank for 2, earning enough xp in that 2 hours to gain one
>rank. Is 4 kills every 10 hours (plus a rank) really going to
>distend you so badly?

Your math is flawed. 4 kills every 10 hours probably would not distend you. 10 kills/level would have you in hero range in less than 10 levels. 10 kills/level is VERY MUCH a reality, especially at the midranks. Midranks people are easier to find. PK range is larger - generally twice the size of the hero range. One person killing a group is very much a reality. Lots of factors. If you're good you can get 1 an hour without trying. 2-3 with very little effort. Especially if you quit when unopposed.

Story of my (all time) favorite character's life (mid-rank, barely post purge):
Log on.
wh pk. 20+ enemies. 5 "neutrals". 1 "ally".
Retrieve item. Kill 2-3 defenders.
Defend item. Kill 2-3 attackers.
Retrieve item again. Kill 1-2 defenders.
Rest of the cabal logs on now that the item is back. Whee.
Raid. Kill 1-2 defenders.
Raid someone else. Die to one blast. Oops.
Regear.
Interview.
Interview.
Go hunt. Kill 2-3 people.
Die to Justice/Arbiters.
Regear. Kill 1 person.
Go hunt. Kill 1 person.
wh pk. No one to kill.
quit
Time elapsed: 2-3 hours. Kills: 11. Deaths: 1-2.


> I honestly don't know, but my suspicion is that it would
>not.)

A lot of your averages are based on who turns up at hero. Historically most people that make a difference in the mid ranks don't end up heroing. Too much xp debt (not really a factor any more, so this may well change), too much con lost.

A lot of things driving those averages are just no longer true. I'd love to see a resurgance of mid-level play. As it is it's race to hero, pause to gank, race to hero. Whee

  

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HOT TopicPracticing. [View all] , zod, Thu 17-Jun-04 04:42 PM
Reply RE: Practicing., Hutto, 22-Jun-04 03:49 PM, #87
Reply RE: Practicing., Mekantos, 22-Jun-04 04:54 PM, #88
Reply RE: Practicing., Nhiala, 22-Jun-04 06:35 PM, #89
Reply if you did this you'd also want..., incognito, 23-Jun-04 05:47 AM, #96
Reply RE: if you did this you'd also want..., Hutto, 23-Jun-04 11:24 AM, #103
Reply Level based, RealShea, 23-Jun-04 09:13 AM, #100
Reply RE: Practicing., Hutto, 23-Jun-04 11:11 AM, #102
Reply I throw in my vote for "Descriptors" of skill level. N..., Straklaw, 22-Jun-04 09:22 PM, #90
     Reply RE: I throw in my vote for, Jhyrbian, 22-Jun-04 11:27 PM, #92
          Reply Improvement messages, Clumber, 23-Jun-04 06:30 AM, #97
Reply Sounds like the topic of a new survey:, RealShea, 23-Jun-04 09:41 AM, #101
Reply Ranking, not practicing., Nivek1, 18-Jun-04 09:23 AM, #64
Reply Agreed. n/t, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 18-Jun-04 05:51 PM, #69
Reply The real issue, Delanan, 17-Jun-04 06:20 PM, #39
Reply Oh and one more question inside:), zod, 17-Jun-04 04:55 PM, #25
Reply RE: Oh and one more question inside:), Zulghinlour, 17-Jun-04 04:59 PM, #27
     Reply Actually..., MIKEN, 17-Jun-04 05:52 PM, #34
     Reply RE: Oh and one more question inside:), RealShea, 18-Jun-04 08:56 AM, #63
          Reply RE: Oh and one more question inside:), Jhyrbian, 20-Jun-04 08:40 AM, #79
Reply Another subject on the same idea.., jaynus, 17-Jun-04 03:43 PM, #14
Reply RE: Another subject on the same idea.., Phaelim (Anonymous), 17-Jun-04 04:06 PM, #20
Reply RE: Another subject on the same idea.., jaynus, 17-Jun-04 07:19 PM, #42
     Reply RE: Another subject on the same idea.., Phaelim (Anonymous), 17-Jun-04 07:36 PM, #45
     Reply RE: Another subject on the same idea.., jaynus, 17-Jun-04 08:04 PM, #47
     Reply RE: Another subject on the same idea.., Nhiala, 17-Jun-04 10:01 PM, #49
     Reply RE: Another subject on the same idea.., vargal, 17-Jun-04 08:20 PM, #48
          Reply RE: Another subject on the same idea.., Phaelim (Anonymous), 18-Jun-04 02:00 AM, #52
               Reply Isildur's idea -- kobolds!, Little Timmy (Anonymous), 21-Jun-04 08:52 PM, #82
     Reply ranking and rp can co-exist, incognito, 18-Jun-04 07:51 AM, #55
          Reply RE: ranking and rp can co-exist, Vorgish, 23-Jun-04 06:57 PM, #105
Reply A reply!, nepenthe, 18-Jun-04 07:31 AM, #54
     Reply RE: A reply!, Valkenar, 18-Jun-04 11:30 AM, #66
     Reply RE: A reply!, Nhiala, 18-Jun-04 12:56 PM, #67
          Reply RE: XP for PK., Valguarnera, 18-Jun-04 01:26 PM, #68
     Reply Hero's all..., Cassman, 19-Jun-04 10:12 AM, #72
     Reply RE: Hero's all..., Valguarnera, 19-Jun-04 12:10 PM, #74
     Reply RE: A reply!, Bring_The_Pain, 19-Jun-04 05:12 PM, #75
          Reply I asked myself if this was serious, incognito, 19-Jun-04 06:04 PM, #76
               Reply RE: I asked myself if this was serious, Bring_The_Pain, 19-Jun-04 11:15 PM, #77
                    Reply RE: I asked myself if this was serious, Nhiala, 20-Jun-04 12:47 AM, #78
                         Reply RE: I asked myself if this was serious, Bring_The_Pain, 21-Jun-04 06:32 PM #80
                              Reply RE: I asked myself if this was serious, Nhiala, 21-Jun-04 09:33 PM, #84
                              Reply RE: I asked myself if this was serious, Bring_The_Pain, 22-Jun-04 11:36 PM, #93
                                   Reply RE: I asked myself if this was serious, Nhiala, 23-Jun-04 09:13 AM, #99
                                        Reply RE: I asked myself if this was serious, Bring_The_Pain, 23-Jun-04 11:53 PM, #106
                              Reply RE: Distention, Balrahd, 22-Jun-04 01:17 AM, #85
                                   Reply RE: Distention, Bring_The_Pain, 22-Jun-04 11:04 PM, #91
                                   Reply RE: Distention, Bring_The_Pain, 22-Jun-04 11:39 PM, #94
                                        Reply RE: Ahh, Balrahd, 23-Jun-04 03:39 AM, #95
                                             Reply RE: Ahh, Bring_The_Pain, 23-Jun-04 07:54 AM, #98
Reply RE: Practicing., nepenthe, 17-Jun-04 12:47 AM, #1
     Reply RE: Practicing., zod, 17-Jun-04 01:06 AM, #2
          Reply RE: Practicing., Valguarnera, 17-Jun-04 08:37 AM, #3
          Reply RE: Practicing., MIKEN, 17-Jun-04 02:20 PM, #4
          Reply RE: Practicing., Nhiala, 17-Jun-04 03:26 PM, #9
          Reply RE: Practicing., Chalupah, 17-Jun-04 03:56 PM, #17
          Reply RE: Practicing., MIKEN, 17-Jun-04 04:26 PM, #21
               Reply RE: Practicing., Nhiala, 17-Jun-04 04:58 PM, #26
          Reply RE: Practicing., Valguarnera, 17-Jun-04 04:03 PM, #18
               Reply RE: Practicing., Nightgaunt_, 17-Jun-04 05:39 PM, #30
          Reply RE: Practicing (Ranking.), Chalupah, 17-Jun-04 02:26 PM, #5
               Reply RE: Practicing (Ranking.), Valguarnera, 17-Jun-04 02:58 PM, #6
                    Reply RE: Practicing (Ranking.), zod, 17-Jun-04 03:04 PM, #7
                    Reply RE: Practicing (Ranking.), Evil Genius (Anonymous), 17-Jun-04 03:22 PM, #8
                    Reply RE: Practicing (Ranking.), zod, 17-Jun-04 03:32 PM, #11
                    Reply RE: Practicing (Ranking.), Nhiala, 17-Jun-04 03:30 PM, #10
                    Reply Hehe, zod, 17-Jun-04 03:36 PM, #13
                    Reply Playerbase size, and content., Valguarnera, 17-Jun-04 04:23 PM, #22
                    Reply RE: Playerbase size, and content., Chalupah, 17-Jun-04 06:15 PM, #38
                         Reply RE: Playerbase size, and content., Valguarnera, 18-Jun-04 07:59 AM, #56
                              Reply RE: Playerbase size, and content., Little Timmy (Anonymous), 18-Jun-04 05:56 PM, #70
                                   Reply RE: Playerbase size, and content., Nhiala, 19-Jun-04 12:48 AM, #71
                                        Reply I can agree to this., Cerunnir, 19-Jun-04 11:34 AM, #73
                                        Reply RE: Playerbase size, and content., Little Timmy (Anonymous), 21-Jun-04 08:48 PM, #81
                                        Reply See my ne thread for my answers. nt, Nivek1, 23-Jun-04 11:29 AM, #104
                    Reply RE: Hehe, nebel, 17-Jun-04 07:27 PM, #43
                         Reply RE: Hehe, zod, 17-Jun-04 07:33 PM, #44
                              Reply RE: Hehe, nebel, 17-Jun-04 07:40 PM, #46
                              Reply RE: Hehe, Valguarnera, 18-Jun-04 08:05 AM, #61
                    Reply RE: Practicing (Ranking.), Chalupah, 17-Jun-04 03:53 PM, #16
                    Reply RE: Practicing (Ranking.), Nhiala, 17-Jun-04 05:03 PM, #28
                         Reply RE: Practicing (Ranking.), zod, 17-Jun-04 06:09 PM, #36
                    Reply Its not black and white., MIKEN, 17-Jun-04 04:26 PM, #23
                         Reply are you kidding?, incognito, 18-Jun-04 08:05 AM, #59
                    Reply Yeah..., Phaelim (Anonymous), 17-Jun-04 03:35 PM, #12
                    Reply RE: Yeah..., Chalupah, 17-Jun-04 04:05 PM, #19
                         Reply Leave the sarcasm at the door, Phaelim (Anonymous), 17-Jun-04 04:19 PM, #24
                              Reply RE: Leave the sarcasm at the door, Chalupah, 17-Jun-04 05:42 PM, #31
                                   Reply RE: Leave the sarcasm at the door, Phaelim (Anonymous), 17-Jun-04 06:37 PM, #40
                                        Reply Leave the sarcasm at the door - how about both?, Nivek1, 18-Jun-04 08:08 AM, #62
                                        Reply Okay, so you like ranking. NOBODY ELSE LIKES RANKING OK..., Little Timmy (Anonymous), 21-Jun-04 08:59 PM, #83
                    Reply to be quite frank, incognito, 18-Jun-04 08:02 AM, #57
                    Reply RE: Practicing (Ranking.), Lochzan, 17-Jun-04 03:45 PM, #15
                         Reply My pledge to you., Nhiala, 17-Jun-04 05:15 PM, #29
                              Reply RE: My pledge to you., MIKEN, 17-Jun-04 05:50 PM, #33
                              Reply RE: My pledge to you., Nhiala, 17-Jun-04 06:13 PM, #37
                                   Reply RE: My pledge to you., Nivek1, 18-Jun-04 08:05 AM, #60
                                        Reply RE: My pledge to you., Nhiala, 18-Jun-04 10:20 AM, #65
                              Reply this is more in re: phaelim, Chalupah, 17-Jun-04 05:54 PM, #35
                              Reply RE: this is more in re: phaelim, Nhiala, 17-Jun-04 06:41 PM, #41
                              Reply RE: My pledge to you., Lochzan, 18-Jun-04 12:14 AM, #50
                                   Reply RE: My pledge to you., Lochzan, 18-Jun-04 12:16 AM, #51
                                   Reply RE: My pledge to you., Nhiala, 18-Jun-04 03:26 AM, #53
                                   Reply As a spam practicer....., Laearrist, 22-Jun-04 02:24 PM, #86
                                   Reply RE: My pledge to you., Valguarnera, 18-Jun-04 08:04 AM, #58
          Reply I can't say i fully agree with Nepenthe, however.., Jhyrbian, 17-Jun-04 05:47 PM, #32
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