Bring_The_Pain | Mon 21-Jun-04 06:32 PM |
Member since 04th Mar 2003
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#4890, "RE: I asked myself if this was serious"
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Let me preface this post with: I have a great deal of respect for you, Nhiala. As a character (we interacted. A good deal.) and as an OOC forum poster. You're too new of an Imm for me to say in that regard, but I think you'll do great.
Now. The response.
>Distention code may mean that you can no longer operate in the >manner you're accustomed to. For example, it may mean you'll >have to become more selective about who you kill.
This is wildly untrue and pure speculation. Speaking as someone that has distened to hero - repeatedly - with different classes the simple truth is: More than half your skills/spells don't work at all If you're a caster anything that goes against save vs spell is doomed You have less than half the hp of anyone you fight
Selective is crap. Some classes, with level-bound primary skills, are doomed. Some classes, without level-bound primary skills, MIGHT be able to win a fight in ideal conditions.
I'm saying this as someone that has distened into hero, repeatedly. I'm saying this as someone who has won (three) fights as a high level 20 something or low 30 something against heros.
Think about a thief with cheapshot. Think about the easiest possible fight for a thief with cheapshot. (unprepped mage without fly, wielding a weapon they don't know). Think about thief with cheapshot catching a human shifter in human form without fly while wielding a sword (does it get any better?). Think about thief with cheapshot missing four trips in a row. Think about thief with cheapshot going splat in one round after shifter shifts. Think about getting a few levels
>Also, 2-3/hour is pretty damn fast. If you hero'd in 100 >hours and kept up that rate for the rest of your character's >life, that'd be ~900-1350 kills. Considering not many people >get over 200 in their lifetime, I'd say 0.5/hr is more >accurate. Let's say that out of the 10 hours you hunt for 8 >and rank for 2, earning enough xp in that 2 hours to gain one >rank. Is 4 kills every 10 hours (plus a rank) really going to >distend you so badly?
Your math is flawed. 4 kills every 10 hours probably would not distend you. 10 kills/level would have you in hero range in less than 10 levels. 10 kills/level is VERY MUCH a reality, especially at the midranks. Midranks people are easier to find. PK range is larger - generally twice the size of the hero range. One person killing a group is very much a reality. Lots of factors. If you're good you can get 1 an hour without trying. 2-3 with very little effort. Especially if you quit when unopposed.
Story of my (all time) favorite character's life (mid-rank, barely post purge): Log on. wh pk. 20+ enemies. 5 "neutrals". 1 "ally". Retrieve item. Kill 2-3 defenders. Defend item. Kill 2-3 attackers. Retrieve item again. Kill 1-2 defenders. Rest of the cabal logs on now that the item is back. Whee. Raid. Kill 1-2 defenders. Raid someone else. Die to one blast. Oops. Regear. Interview. Interview. Go hunt. Kill 2-3 people. Die to Justice/Arbiters. Regear. Kill 1 person. Go hunt. Kill 1 person. wh pk. No one to kill. quit Time elapsed: 2-3 hours. Kills: 11. Deaths: 1-2.
> I honestly don't know, but my suspicion is that it would >not.)
A lot of your averages are based on who turns up at hero. Historically most people that make a difference in the mid ranks don't end up heroing. Too much xp debt (not really a factor any more, so this may well change), too much con lost.
A lot of things driving those averages are just no longer true. I'd love to see a resurgance of mid-level play. As it is it's race to hero, pause to gank, race to hero. Whee
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Practicing.
[View all] , zod, Thu 17-Jun-04 04:42 PM
RE: Practicing.,
Hutto,
22-Jun-04 03:49 PM, #87
RE: Practicing.,
Mekantos,
22-Jun-04 04:54 PM, #88
RE: Practicing.,
Nhiala,
22-Jun-04 06:35 PM, #89
if you did this you'd also want...,
incognito,
23-Jun-04 05:47 AM, #96
RE: if you did this you'd also want...,
Hutto,
23-Jun-04 11:24 AM, #103
Level based,
RealShea,
23-Jun-04 09:13 AM, #100
RE: Practicing.,
Hutto,
23-Jun-04 11:11 AM, #102
I throw in my vote for "Descriptors" of skill level. N...,
Straklaw,
22-Jun-04 09:22 PM, #90
RE: I throw in my vote for,
Jhyrbian,
22-Jun-04 11:27 PM, #92
Improvement messages,
Clumber,
23-Jun-04 06:30 AM, #97
Sounds like the topic of a new survey:,
RealShea,
23-Jun-04 09:41 AM, #101
Ranking, not practicing.,
Nivek1,
18-Jun-04 09:23 AM, #64
Agreed. n/t,
Little Timmy (Anonymous),
18-Jun-04 05:51 PM, #69
The real issue,
Delanan,
17-Jun-04 06:20 PM, #39
Oh and one more question inside:),
zod,
17-Jun-04 04:55 PM, #25
RE: Oh and one more question inside:),
Zulghinlour,
17-Jun-04 04:59 PM, #27
Actually...,
MIKEN,
17-Jun-04 05:52 PM, #34
RE: Oh and one more question inside:),
RealShea,
18-Jun-04 08:56 AM, #63
RE: Oh and one more question inside:),
Jhyrbian,
20-Jun-04 08:40 AM, #79
Another subject on the same idea..,
jaynus,
17-Jun-04 03:43 PM, #14
RE: Another subject on the same idea..,
Phaelim (Anonymous),
17-Jun-04 04:06 PM, #20
RE: Another subject on the same idea..,
jaynus,
17-Jun-04 07:19 PM, #42
RE: Another subject on the same idea..,
Phaelim (Anonymous),
17-Jun-04 07:36 PM, #45
RE: Another subject on the same idea..,
jaynus,
17-Jun-04 08:04 PM, #47
RE: Another subject on the same idea..,
Nhiala,
17-Jun-04 10:01 PM, #49
RE: Another subject on the same idea..,
vargal,
17-Jun-04 08:20 PM, #48
RE: Another subject on the same idea..,
Phaelim (Anonymous),
18-Jun-04 02:00 AM, #52
Isildur's idea -- kobolds!,
Little Timmy (Anonymous),
21-Jun-04 08:52 PM, #82
ranking and rp can co-exist,
incognito,
18-Jun-04 07:51 AM, #55
RE: ranking and rp can co-exist,
Vorgish,
23-Jun-04 06:57 PM, #105
A reply!,
nepenthe,
18-Jun-04 07:31 AM, #54
RE: A reply!,
Valkenar,
18-Jun-04 11:30 AM, #66
RE: A reply!,
Nhiala,
18-Jun-04 12:56 PM, #67
RE: XP for PK.,
Valguarnera,
18-Jun-04 01:26 PM, #68
Hero's all...,
Cassman,
19-Jun-04 10:12 AM, #72
RE: Hero's all...,
Valguarnera,
19-Jun-04 12:10 PM, #74
RE: A reply!,
Bring_The_Pain,
19-Jun-04 05:12 PM, #75
I asked myself if this was serious,
incognito,
19-Jun-04 06:04 PM, #76
RE: I asked myself if this was serious,
Bring_The_Pain,
19-Jun-04 11:15 PM, #77
RE: I asked myself if this was serious,
Nhiala,
20-Jun-04 12:47 AM, #78
RE: I asked myself if this was serious,
Bring_The_Pain,
21-Jun-04 06:32 PM #80
RE: I asked myself if this was serious,
Nhiala,
21-Jun-04 09:33 PM, #84
RE: I asked myself if this was serious,
Bring_The_Pain,
22-Jun-04 11:36 PM, #93
RE: I asked myself if this was serious,
Nhiala,
23-Jun-04 09:13 AM, #99
RE: I asked myself if this was serious,
Bring_The_Pain,
23-Jun-04 11:53 PM, #106
RE: Distention,
Balrahd,
22-Jun-04 01:17 AM, #85
RE: Distention,
Bring_The_Pain,
22-Jun-04 11:04 PM, #91
RE: Distention,
Bring_The_Pain,
22-Jun-04 11:39 PM, #94
RE: Ahh,
Balrahd,
23-Jun-04 03:39 AM, #95
RE: Ahh,
Bring_The_Pain,
23-Jun-04 07:54 AM, #98
RE: Practicing.,
nepenthe,
17-Jun-04 12:47 AM, #1
RE: Practicing.,
zod,
17-Jun-04 01:06 AM, #2
RE: Practicing.,
Valguarnera,
17-Jun-04 08:37 AM, #3
RE: Practicing.,
MIKEN,
17-Jun-04 02:20 PM, #4
RE: Practicing.,
Nhiala,
17-Jun-04 03:26 PM, #9
RE: Practicing.,
Chalupah,
17-Jun-04 03:56 PM, #17
RE: Practicing.,
MIKEN,
17-Jun-04 04:26 PM, #21
RE: Practicing.,
Nhiala,
17-Jun-04 04:58 PM, #26
RE: Practicing.,
Valguarnera,
17-Jun-04 04:03 PM, #18
RE: Practicing.,
Nightgaunt_,
17-Jun-04 05:39 PM, #30
RE: Practicing (Ranking.),
Chalupah,
17-Jun-04 02:26 PM, #5
RE: Practicing (Ranking.),
Valguarnera,
17-Jun-04 02:58 PM, #6
RE: Practicing (Ranking.),
zod,
17-Jun-04 03:04 PM, #7
RE: Practicing (Ranking.),
Evil Genius (Anonymous),
17-Jun-04 03:22 PM, #8
RE: Practicing (Ranking.),
zod,
17-Jun-04 03:32 PM, #11
RE: Practicing (Ranking.),
Nhiala,
17-Jun-04 03:30 PM, #10
Hehe,
zod,
17-Jun-04 03:36 PM, #13
Playerbase size, and content.,
Valguarnera,
17-Jun-04 04:23 PM, #22
RE: Playerbase size, and content.,
Chalupah,
17-Jun-04 06:15 PM, #38
RE: Playerbase size, and content.,
Valguarnera,
18-Jun-04 07:59 AM, #56
RE: Playerbase size, and content.,
Little Timmy (Anonymous),
18-Jun-04 05:56 PM, #70
RE: Playerbase size, and content.,
Nhiala,
19-Jun-04 12:48 AM, #71
I can agree to this.,
Cerunnir,
19-Jun-04 11:34 AM, #73
RE: Playerbase size, and content.,
Little Timmy (Anonymous),
21-Jun-04 08:48 PM, #81
See my ne thread for my answers. nt,
Nivek1,
23-Jun-04 11:29 AM, #104
RE: Hehe,
nebel,
17-Jun-04 07:27 PM, #43
RE: Hehe,
zod,
17-Jun-04 07:33 PM, #44
RE: Hehe,
nebel,
17-Jun-04 07:40 PM, #46
RE: Hehe,
Valguarnera,
18-Jun-04 08:05 AM, #61
RE: Practicing (Ranking.),
Chalupah,
17-Jun-04 03:53 PM, #16
RE: Practicing (Ranking.),
Nhiala,
17-Jun-04 05:03 PM, #28
RE: Practicing (Ranking.),
zod,
17-Jun-04 06:09 PM, #36
Its not black and white.,
MIKEN,
17-Jun-04 04:26 PM, #23
are you kidding?,
incognito,
18-Jun-04 08:05 AM, #59
Yeah...,
Phaelim (Anonymous),
17-Jun-04 03:35 PM, #12
RE: Yeah...,
Chalupah,
17-Jun-04 04:05 PM, #19
Leave the sarcasm at the door,
Phaelim (Anonymous),
17-Jun-04 04:19 PM, #24
RE: Leave the sarcasm at the door,
Chalupah,
17-Jun-04 05:42 PM, #31
RE: Leave the sarcasm at the door,
Phaelim (Anonymous),
17-Jun-04 06:37 PM, #40
Leave the sarcasm at the door - how about both?,
Nivek1,
18-Jun-04 08:08 AM, #62
Okay, so you like ranking. NOBODY ELSE LIKES RANKING OK...,
Little Timmy (Anonymous),
21-Jun-04 08:59 PM, #83
to be quite frank,
incognito,
18-Jun-04 08:02 AM, #57
RE: Practicing (Ranking.),
Lochzan,
17-Jun-04 03:45 PM, #15
My pledge to you.,
Nhiala,
17-Jun-04 05:15 PM, #29
RE: My pledge to you.,
MIKEN,
17-Jun-04 05:50 PM, #33
RE: My pledge to you.,
Nhiala,
17-Jun-04 06:13 PM, #37
RE: My pledge to you.,
Nivek1,
18-Jun-04 08:05 AM, #60
RE: My pledge to you.,
Nhiala,
18-Jun-04 10:20 AM, #65
this is more in re: phaelim,
Chalupah,
17-Jun-04 05:54 PM, #35
RE: this is more in re: phaelim,
Nhiala,
17-Jun-04 06:41 PM, #41
RE: My pledge to you.,
Lochzan,
18-Jun-04 12:14 AM, #50
RE: My pledge to you.,
Lochzan,
18-Jun-04 12:16 AM, #51
RE: My pledge to you.,
Nhiala,
18-Jun-04 03:26 AM, #53
As a spam practicer.....,
Laearrist,
22-Jun-04 02:24 PM, #86
RE: My pledge to you.,
Valguarnera,
18-Jun-04 08:04 AM, #58
I can't say i fully agree with Nepenthe, however..,
Jhyrbian,
17-Jun-04 05:47 PM, #32
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